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Post by maestegmafia Mon 06 Feb 2012, 7:50 am

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Wales Vs Scotland

Date: Sunday, February 12
Kick-off: 15:00
Venue: Millennium Stadium

Coverage: Live on BBC One Wales, BBC Radio Wales & online, S4C and Radio Cymru, plus live text and score updates on the BBC Sport website

Date: Sunday, February 12
Venue: Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
Kick-off: 15:00 (15:00 GMT)
Expected weather: Cloudy with a few showers likely. High of 5°C, low of 3°C
Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant referees: Peter Fitzgibbon (Ireland), Simon McDowell (Ireland)
TMO: Giulio De Santis (Italy)



Scotland will encounter a Wales side oozing confidence when round two of the Six Nations concludes at the Millennium Stadium on Sunday.

The opening round of the Championship was a weekend of contrasting fortunes for the two sides.
Wales underlined their status as potential Six Nations champions with a rousing 23-21 victory over Ireland in Dublin. It was a wonderful advert for Six Nations rugby with two teams going at it hammer and tongs for a game won in the last 20 seconds.
That win came less than 24 hours after Scotland had started their challenge with a 13-6 loss to England at Murrayfield. The Scots created enough chances to have beaten their visitors last week, however simple errors coupled with a lack of tries led to another disappointing defeat for Andy Robinson's men, who have now lost three on the trot.
Just once in 13 attempts have Scotland won on the opening weekend of the tournament since Italy joined the Five Nations in 2000.
Scotland must now attempt to bounce back and beat the Welsh in their own back yard - something they have failed to achieve in a decade.
They came mighty close though in their last Cardiff contest after leading by ten points with seven minutes remaining, only for the now retired Shane Williams to score a last-gasp try to secure a dramatic 31-24 come-from-behind victory.
Winning away from home has been a wee bit of a problem for the Scots in the Six Nations, where they have won just once on the road since 2006 (23-20 against Ireland at Croke Park in 2010).
But despite Scotland's poor showing last weekend and dismal away record, Wales will do well not to underestimate Sunday's visitors who are expected to come out all guns blazing after asking for the Millennium Stadium roof to be closed.
With wet weather being forecast, Scotland - notwithstanding the apparent lack of abilities to score tries (at least in the past four games) - have backed themselves to take on Wales at their own expansive game.
"We cannot afford to underestimate Scotland, the amount of possession and territory they had against England last weekend meant that they should have won the game and they will come to the Millennium Stadium buoyed by that knowledge," said Wales coach Warren Gatland.
Wales have won the opening two games of a Six Nations campaign on just two previous occasions - in 2005 and 2008 - and each time they went on to win the title and Grand Slam. Three of the World Cup semi-finalists' remaining four games are in Cardiff, starting on Sunday when try-shy Scotland arrive at the Millennium Stadium.
But following Wales' heroics in Dublin, the build-up to Sunday's Test has been blighted by the suspension of Bradley Davies, who will miss the rest of this season's tournament after collecting a seven-week ban for a reckless tip-tackle on Ireland replacement Donnacha Ryan last weekend.
Davies is the second Wales player suspended for that offence this season following Sam Warburton's dismissal and three-week punishment for an incident in the World Cup semi-final against France last October.
Davies now joins his fellow World Cup locks Luke Charteris and Alun-Wyn Jones on the international sidelines. But in a triple boost for Gatland, flanker Dan Lydiate has recovered from an ankle injury to reclaim the number six shirt, prop Gethin Jenkins has recovered from knee trouble to start and skipper Warburton also features after being in doubt with a leg injury.
However, Warburton has been wrapped in cotton wool this whole week and took a very limited part in training while staying clear of any contact work. Whether he actually leads the team out hangs in the balance and probably won't be known until the morning of the match.
In a game where the back-row battle will be absolutely crucial, everyone in the Welsh camp - and in Wales as a whole - will be keeping their fingers crossed that the inspirational skipper can defy the injury odds and help guide his team to back-to-back wins.
Wales are favourites, but nobody should have any illusions how tough this match will be...
Ones to watch:

For Wales: Former Wales captain Ryan Jones will, as expected, fill the second-row void against Scotland caused by Bradley Davies' seven-week suspension. Jones was exceptional at blindside flanker against Ireland in Dublin and his versatility is proving of immeasurable value to Gatland.
For Scotland: With Dan Parks calling it quits from Test rugby this week, Greig Laidlaw inherits the number 10 jersey for Scotland. The Edinburgh skipper won the first two of his three caps as a replacement scrum-half, before coming on at fly-half for Parks in the Calcutta Cup defeat to England. Yet an impressive display during the small amount of time he was on the pitch has been rewarded with his first Test start.
Head to head: Toby Faletau v David Denton. Scotland's Zimbabwean-born number eight Denton was deservedly named man-of-the-match following his Herculean ball-carrying against England last Saturday, and much of the same will be required against the tough as nails Faletau, who will always be found where the battle is at its most ferocious.

Recent results:
2011: Wales won 24-6, Edinburgh
2010: Wales won 31-24, Cardiff
2009: Wales won 26-13, Edinburgh
2008: Wales won 30-15, Cardiff
2007: Scotland won 21-9, Edinburgh
2006: Wales won 28-18, Cardiff
2005: Wales won 46-22, Edinburgh
2004: Wales won 23-10, Cardiff
2003: Wales won 23-9, Cardiff
2003: Scotland won 30-22, Edinburgh
Prediction: Neither history or form is with Scotland heading into this match, and while we're sure they'll give it a good crack - we just can't see Wales letting this one slip. Wales to win by nine points!
Rugby Union betting odds

The teams:

Wales: 15 Leigh Halfpenny, 14 Alex Cuthbert, 13 Jonathan Davies, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 George North, 10 Rhys Priestland, 9 Mike Phillips, 8 Toby Faletau, 7 Sam Warburton (c), 6 Dan Lydiate, 5 Ian Evans, 4 Ryan Jones, 3 Adam Jones, 2 Huw Bennett, 1 Gethin Jenkins.

Replacements: 16 Ken Owens, 17 Paul James, 18 Lou Reed, 19 Andy Powell, 20 Lloyd Williams, 21 James Hook, 22 Scott Williams.

Scotland: 15 Rory Lamont, 14 Lee Jones, 13 Nick De Luca, 12 Sean Lamont, 11 Max Evans, 10 Greig Laidlaw, 9 Chris Cusiter, 8 David Denton, 7 Ross Rennie, 6 Alasdair Strokosch, 5 Jim Hamilton, 4 Richie Gray, 3 Geoff Cross, 2 Ross Ford (c), 1 Allan Jacobsen.

Replacements: 16 Scott Lawson, 17 Ed Kalman, 18 Alastair Kellock, 19 John Barclay, 20 Mike Blair, 21 Duncan Weir, 22 Stuart Hogg.


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Post by mpc28 Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:15 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Why not Tipuric?

He turned his ankle last weekend so was ruled out.

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Post by jay_welsh Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:16 pm

Suffered an ankle injury late in the game last week apparently, which is a shame as he was outstanding.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:17 pm

He was indeed. Then will we see Shingler go to 2nd row, Jones to 8 and Faletau to 7? Probably the best option.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:22 pm

This will be a real test of our strength in depth now

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Post by jay_welsh Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:24 pm

Straight in at 7 is the word, which makes the return of gethin very handy, no doubt he'll be the main source of turnovers.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:26 pm

I would have thought Faletau would have been the main source, hence why going to 7 would have been the best option. Is Shingler sort of similar to Lydiate?

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Post by Guest Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:28 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:I would have thought Faletau would have been the main source, hence why going to 7 would have been the best option. Is Shingler sort of similar to Lydiate?

To be honest its more likely they will play left and right rather than 6 and 7, its sort of like how Ireland have SOB and Ferris at 6 and 7, plus Faletau is decent at the breakdown as well. We will miss Warburtons destruction at the breakdown but we'll have to adapt.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:31 pm

SOB has been our 7, no left and right system there. He is the best out of any flanker in ireland at his breakdown work/support play. He has come leaps and bounds in that regard.

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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:33 pm

God i hope we see a 2010 game again Very Happy
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Post by jay_welsh Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:34 pm

What IronMike said, we wont be as strong at the breakdown, but we have players to make up for the lack of 7. My only worry about Shingler is his discipline, otherwise he's been playing very well this season.

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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:37 pm

Shame to lose Warburton today.

Is Ryan Jones the captain now?
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Post by Cymroglan Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:38 pm

Yes he is Billy

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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:38 pm

Ok, cheers Cymro
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:49 pm

Am I imagining it or does Parks look like he wants to cry even now?
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Post by jay_welsh Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:50 pm

He also equals the Welsh captaincy record of 28 tests along with Ieuan Evans, so well done Ryan!

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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:53 pm

Well lets see what Scotland have Very Happy
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Post by Armchairexpert Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:55 pm

where can I watch it? Anywhere online?

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:55 pm

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Post by miteyironpaw Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:56 pm

Inverdale, oh no. Caught out there.
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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 2:58 pm

Armchairexpert wrote:where can I watch it? Anywhere online?

Check your PM Very Happy
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Post by Shifty Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:02 pm

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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:04 pm

Jeebus that was close for Wales
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Post by Shifty Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:04 pm

Their confident arent they!
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:05 pm

Gutsy by Denton
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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:06 pm

That they are Alyn
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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:07 pm

Scotland are not sitting back either. This has the makings of a good game
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Post by EnglishReign Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:08 pm

Nice start to the game!

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:09 pm

Parks would have got that Wink
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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:09 pm

Wales are living offside
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:10 pm

forward pass there
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Post by Biltong Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:11 pm


these back passes of Laidlaw is not heping his men. He goes to a standstill and then the tacklers mark him, stop and wait for the man from the deep. Doh
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Post by nobbled Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:12 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:forward pass there
Agreed - constantly !
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Post by Pot Hale Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:12 pm

Always good to see the second tier nations in the 6N making a game of it.

Bodies hurtling in everywhere.
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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:12 pm

How many kicks have we seen on first phase of turnover play this 6N?
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:12 pm

That was a silly penalty to concede
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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:13 pm

Ouch, ears hurt when they get cut like that in the cold.
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Post by Biltong Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:13 pm


wales looks very dangerous out wide.
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Post by miteyironpaw Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:14 pm

Wales offside from almost every defensive phase. This seems a feature of the Millennium stadium unfortunately.
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:15 pm

I know it's pretty hypocritical for an Englishman to say this but has running onto the ball from depth with pace been banned?
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:16 pm

That's better
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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:16 pm

Big hit from Hamilton Very Happy
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:17 pm

So that's how you stop North
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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:18 pm

That hurt North Very Happy
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Post by nobbled Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:19 pm

Ooooooh North got clobbered!!
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:20 pm

Really good work by Scottish back row. Phillips is going to have a hard day, I think
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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:20 pm

Great match so far. Scotland have made some big hits and the Welsh are feeling them. Could be a very close match.

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Post by eirebilly Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:21 pm

Thats a tight call there......
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Post by Pot Hale Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:22 pm

Scotland holding up well but the Welsh backliine is going to get through eventually and with Scotland just kicking possession away every time they get it, they are dooming themselves.
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Post by Shifty Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:22 pm

Missing those 6 forwards up front is hurting us, by the look of things.
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Post by BigTrevsbigmac Sun 12 Feb 2012, 3:22 pm

Scotland have to attack this line out!

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