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No player won his first French Open when he was the #1 seed in the Open era

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Post by deeznu Thu 09 Feb 2012, 1:41 am

Apparently in the open era no player won his first French Open when he was the #1 seed .

This is a weird stat that I read today.

Anyone else think this is peculiar or what? Erm

When they won their first FO:


Kodes was the #7 seed

Borg was the #3 seed

Lendl was the #2 seed

Courier was the #9 seed

Kuerten was not even seeded

Nadal was the #4 seed

The players mentioned above all won at least one FO as the #1 seed but it was never their first FO.

Could this be a bad omen for Nole? chin

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Post by deeznu Thu 09 Feb 2012, 2:05 am

Bump.

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Post by socal1976 Thu 09 Feb 2012, 4:56 am

I don't think so deeznu, Novak is the most accomplished clay court player on tour after nadal. He has 3 masters victories on clay and 6 total tournament wins on the clay courts. Although he has never been to the final of RG he has 3 straight semis. This seems more like a statistical anomaly to me.

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Post by noleisthebest Thu 09 Feb 2012, 9:39 am

Another record to be broke then Wink

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Post by barrystar Thu 09 Feb 2012, 4:21 pm

deeznu wrote:Apparently in the open era no player won his first French Open when he was the #1 seed .

This is a weird stat that I read today.

Anyone else think this is peculiar or what? Erm

When they won their first FO:


Kodes was the #7 seed

Borg was the #3 seed

Lendl was the #2 seed

Courier was the #9 seed

Kuerten was not even seeded

Nadal was the #4 seed

The players mentioned above all won at least one FO as the #1 seed but it was never their first FO.

Could this be a bad omen for Nole? chin

How many of those guys already had a slam under their belt? None I'd hazard a guess. I think what the stat really shows is that the French Open is more often the springboard to a great career than something picked up for the first time in the course of one, which is consistent with clay being, by and large, more of a young man's surface than the others.
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Post by hawkeye Thu 09 Feb 2012, 4:24 pm

Ha ha! I suppose Nadal shouldn't try and overtale Djokovic in the rankings before RG then...

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Post by Josiah Maiestas Thu 09 Feb 2012, 4:30 pm

hawkeye wrote:Ha ha! I suppose Nadal shouldn't try and overtale Djokovic in the rankings before RG then...
Djokovic doesn't play into Nadal's traps like swiss boy does. laughing
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Post by barrystar Thu 09 Feb 2012, 4:31 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
hawkeye wrote:Ha ha! I suppose Nadal shouldn't try and overtale Djokovic in the rankings before RG then...
Djokovic doesn't play into Nadal's traps like swiss boy does. laughing

Unfair - Federer wisely waited until Nadal was No. 1 before grabbing the crown - his first opportunity in 6 years of trying to win the thing.
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Thu 09 Feb 2012, 4:38 pm

It is interesting how often the FO has been the first slam won by a player though. Apart from Federer and Agassi, can't remember many other recent-ish FO winners who already had a slam under their belt. The difference is nowadays all surfaces play the same, so the top players in the world are also the best on all surfaces, which didn't used to be the case at all, with specialist clay-courters winning RG.

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Post by bluesun Thu 09 Feb 2012, 8:05 pm

What was Federer and Agassi ranking when they won FO?

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Post by Guest Thu 09 Feb 2012, 10:09 pm

Federer was seeded 2nd (2009) and Agassi seeded 13th (1999). Federer was 2nd in the world and Agassi was 14 or 13th in the world.

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Post by spuranik Thu 09 Feb 2012, 10:09 pm

bluesun wrote:What was Federer and Agassi ranking when they won FO?

Fed was number 2, behind Nadal... He got back to number 1 after winning Wimbledon...

Agassi was number 13 and on his way up from ranking of around 140 at the beginning of the year...

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Post by Guest Thu 09 Feb 2012, 10:13 pm

Simultaneous answers. Great minds and all that thumbsup

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