Chisora in decent shape.

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Again, apologies for the source. The genuine answer is that I have a friend who is a huge boxing fan and also happens to read the Mail, he sends me stuff. Honestly.

Anyway, one of the pictures shows Del Boy looking in terrific shape, especially compared to some other pictures of him sporting breasts that Katie Price would be envious of.

He looks like he is taking this one very seriously, as well he should, but will it make any difference? Now he is in shape, I can see him making the final bell and dropping a decision to Vitali. If he was in the kind of shape he was in for Tyson Fury then I would have expected Vitali to break him down and stop him late, but now he looks trim, I can see him landing enough to keep Vitali honest and having the condition to see the final bell.

Anyone agree, or is he just a lamb to the slaughter?

I would have made a poll, but I couldn't be bothered.

azania wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

azania wrote:Chis is never going to be ripped or close to it. If he ever came in ripped, he'll get KO'd mid round as he tires. Muscles tighten up when you get tired. Having some body fat means you burn that off first.

You still have muscles when you have fat...

And what would suggest he is KO'd because he is 'ripped'...

Not true regarding your statement about burning fat either.

Obiously. But better to burn off some fat than burn off muscles. If he's ripped, it would be against his body composition it seems. It would mean he would have to utilise different methods of training to get ripped. It would affect his stamina and lead to a KO. The greatest HWs in history were not ripped. Even Tyson. Holy was, but there's a theory about that.

i think you're confusing being ripped with being overly muscular. two very different things.

of course tyson was ripped, in his 'prime' of all times. as was lewis, and both k-bros. all 4 of them werent too shabby as far as heavyweights go.

having excess fat is carrying around dead weight.

OasisBFC wrote:he does look in good shape and fair play to him.

read the rubbish thats posted below in the comments section:

Calling Chisora British is why 'British' is no longer an identity. If anyone can be British and anything eg Curries can be British then WHAT IS BRITISH? This anyone and anything idology is why this country has no pride in who and what it is. Britishness is now so cheap it is worthles
- English not British!, Wakefield ENGLAND, 16/2/2012 10:51
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He is a natural heavyweight and I think he has more of a chance than Haye did. Anyway, as Steve Martin said; "the only thing I know about boxing is never bet on the white guy!"
- Mark , minster, Kent., 16/2/2012 10:51
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He's as British as Klitschko.
- AKN, UK, 16/2/2012 10:31
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if he was born in zimbabwe then he is not and can never be 'as british as a red phone box'.
- nononsenseman, windsor, 16/2/2012 09:50

who says the daily mail attracts a certain type of reader.

Can't access the daily mail at work. I never thought I would grow to actively love a firewall but comments like that could see that change.

OasisBFC wrote:

azania wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

azania wrote:Chis is never going to be ripped or close to it. If he ever came in ripped, he'll get KO'd mid round as he tires. Muscles tighten up when you get tired. Having some body fat means you burn that off first.

You still have muscles when you have fat...

And what would suggest he is KO'd because he is 'ripped'...

Not true regarding your statement about burning fat either.

Obiously. But better to burn off some fat than burn off muscles. If he's ripped, it would be against his body composition it seems. It would mean he would have to utilise different methods of training to get ripped. It would affect his stamina and lead to a KO. The greatest HWs in history were not ripped. Even Tyson. Holy was, but there's a theory about that.

i think you're confusing being ripped with being overly muscular. two very different things.

of course tyson was ripped, in his 'prime' of all times. as was lewis, and both k-bros. all 4 of them werent too shabby as far as heavyweights go.

having excess fat is carrying around dead weight.

Tyson was not chissled. Haye was though. I believe it affected his stamina also. Tyson always carried slight body fat.

i know, disgusting. as is the newspaper in general.

azania wrote:

Tyson was not chissled. Haye was though. I believe it affected his stamina also. Tyson always carried slight body fat.

http://cdn0.hark.com/images/000/000/100/100/original.jpg
if this isnt chiselled, i dont know what you're definition of that is.

Azania,

Dave is right, Im talking about all the silly talk and then Hayes unwillingness to engage.

I think Chisora will get tore into Vitali and have a good scrap. Still think he gets stopped late on, but wont go the same way that Haye did, getting on his bike and kept falling to the ground at any given chance.

Say what you want about Chisora, but he has plenty of heart and can take a good whallop.

But you never know, the occasion may get to him. Really hope it doesnt though.

agree with the above - the man can take a punch and isnt afraid to get stuck in.

if had power and was a few inches bigger he'd be the best contender around. but he does and isnt. i like him though, hes different.

To be fair Oasis, Tyson bulked up enormously in his later career, he started doing weights as he was cutting corners and not living the right lifestyle so he created the illusion of fitness by rippling muscles, at his best during his pre prison reign he certainly did not look like that.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Azania,

Dave is right, Im talking about all the silly talk and then Hayes unwillingness to engage.

I think Chisora will get tore into Vitali and have a good scrap. Still think he gets stopped late on, but wont go the same way that Haye did, getting on his bike and kept falling to the ground at any given chance.

Say what you want about Chisora, but he has plenty of heart and can take a good whallop.

But you never know, the occasion may get to him. Really hope it doesnt though.

I dont think he was unwilling to engage. He didn't have enough skill to get past the jab Wlad had in his face most of the night. He doesn't roll and come forward which is the most effective tool to counter Wlad's jab. he just wasn't good enough. If he had the chance he would have engaged. Wlad didn't give it to him.

As for Vit, I'm on record here saying it will be a close fight. Vit is past it and wont control Chis that easily. But he will win a decision (robbery).

OasisBFC wrote:

azania wrote:

Tyson was not chissled. Haye was though. I believe it affected his stamina also. Tyson always carried slight body fat.

http://cdn0.hark.com/images/000/000/100/100/original.jpg
if this isnt chiselled, i dont know what you're definition of that is.

Cant open it at work.

rowley wrote:so he created the illusion of fitness by rippling muscles

That is exactly the same as my mantra in life.

OasisBFC wrote:

azania wrote:

Tyson was not chissled. Haye was though. I believe it affected his stamina also. Tyson always carried slight body fat.

http://cdn0.hark.com/images/000/000/100/100/original.jpg
if this isnt chiselled, i dont know what you're definition of that is.

Yep Oasis you don't get much more chiselled than that.

Tyson at his best looked pretty loose.

Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Johnson all had great stamina and none of them were "ripped." Even lower down the weights boxers look at their most ripped at the weigh in when they're dehydrated. Calzaghe didn't look like adonis but you can't challenge his conditioning.

If a guy trains to the absolute best and peaks his fitness and still has a spare layer, burning it off for the sake of aesthetics would leave him burnt out and drained. If Chisora isn't a natural body beautiful then that's just how he is. Never hurt Frazier when he was still wailing away with power shots in round 15.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Tyson at his best looked pretty loose.

Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Johnson all had great stamina and none of them were "ripped." Even lower down the weights boxers look at their most ripped at the weigh in when they're dehydrated. Calzaghe didn't look like adonis but you can't challenge his conditioning.

If a guy trains to the absolute best and peaks his fitness and still has a spare layer, burning it off for the sake of aesthetics would leave him burnt out and drained. If Chisora isn't a natural body beautiful then that's just how he is. Never hurt Frazier when he was still wailing away with power shots in round 15.

now this i agree with. its back to the issue of body shape. calzaghe no - manny yes, and theres no disagreeing the man has a fantastic engine.

theres no arguing that both k-bros are ripped (got i hate that use of the word) though. its body shape.

Vitali has said he believes Chisora is better than Haye and expects a sterner test than whay Haye provided his brother.

Nothing to confirm it and nothing to refute it really - at heavyweight - the state of both their opponents has been dire. I imagine a Haye vs Chisora fight would leave Haye the winner but not with overwhelming confidence. Anyway - I think he is goading haye into a massive payday for 10%

Im not really sure what the situation with Haye would be. Without his ppv backing from sky Haye doesnt really offer much more of a financial incentive than other challengers. The Klitschko fights are on terrestial t.v and generally earn them about 3 million per fight under that deal (flat rate). The attraction with Haye was they got a peice of his lucrative ppv deal with Sky. But Sky have said they dont want to do one off ppv anymore which leaves Haye just a standard challenger. And after Hayes ultimately disappointing heavyweight campaign combined with the fact not a great many people would give him a chance against Vitali means hes unlikely to secure a ppv deal for a fight with Vitali.

OasisBFC wrote:

azania wrote:

Tyson was not chissled. Haye was though. I believe it affected his stamina also. Tyson always carried slight body fat.

http://cdn0.hark.com/images/000/000/100/100/original.jpg
if this isnt chiselled, i dont know what you're definition of that is.

Bruno, Weaver and Norton were chisselled. So is Haye. All lacked stamina to a certain extent. Even in that picture Tyson doesn't looked that ripped. Yes he has a 6 pac. So did Ali and Frazier. He was always stocky and well built.

rowley wrote:Boxnation Jay, they have been advertising on here for about the last week mate, should be at the top of your page.

LOL I'm so stupid! I'm not on here often and when I come here I just rush to read boxing articles and didn't notice the banner.

The hand over face emoticon would've been best to use right now!

johnson2 wrote:

azania wrote:Chis is never going to be ripped or close to it. If he ever came in ripped, he'll get KO'd mid round as he tires. Muscles tighten up when you get tired. Having some body fat means you burn that off first.

You still have muscles when you have fat...

And what would suggest he is KO'd because he is 'ripped'...

Not true regarding your statement about burning fat either.

Really johnson? Are you a biochemist or a physiologist perchance? Perhaps you would explain to us all your meaning regarding your body fat assertion?

oxring wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

azania wrote:Chis is never going to be ripped or close to it. If he ever came in ripped, he'll get KO'd mid round as he tires. Muscles tighten up when you get tired. Having some body fat means you burn that off first.

You still have muscles when you have fat...

And what would suggest he is KO'd because he is 'ripped'...

Not true regarding your statement about burning fat either.

Really johnson? Are you a biochemist or a physiologist perchance? Perhaps you would explain to us all your meaning regarding your body fat assertion?

Yes, Oxy, you need to those qualifications to have an understanding of the human body... Dear me...

Nobody is asking him to be ripped, but being around 25% body fat is disgraceful in my view.

He could have been a lot worse that's the way i look at it. He gets my respect for giving it his best shot and giving us a reason to tune in, even if he does get taken out early, i'm going to go with Vitali UD i think.

johnson2 wrote:

oxring wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

azania wrote:Chis is never going to be ripped or close to it. If he ever came in ripped, he'll get KO'd mid round as he tires. Muscles tighten up when you get tired. Having some body fat means you burn that off first.

You still have muscles when you have fat...

And what would suggest he is KO'd because he is 'ripped'...

Not true regarding your statement about burning fat either.

Really johnson? Are you a biochemist or a physiologist perchance? Perhaps you would explain to us all your meaning regarding your body fat assertion?

Yes, Oxy, you need to those qualifications to have an understanding of the human body... Dear me...

Nobody is asking him to be ripped, but being around 25% body fat is disgraceful in my view.

Actually johnson - you do. I'm not asking for BSc level stuff - I'm asking whether you're yet another meathead who wanders into a gym, does a couple of bicep curls, necks a maximuscle and thinks himself capable of pronouncing on the nuances of human physiology. Mostly through reciting the age old "fat bad, muscle good" mantra like an ape, although lacking the critical thinking of our primate cousins.

Lipid is mobilised preferentially to protiein degradation (and muscle breakdown). This much is true.

We've seen Chisora gas, once, against Fury - when he was in woeful shape. He set the pace against Helenius and didn't gas - and he looks in better shape now. He's not going into a bodybuilding competition or a dance class. If he tires - then we have our answer - he wasn't in good enough nick.

Further - your idea that he has to move and evade implies that you've never actually seen him box. He has never, in any of the 10-12 of his 17 fights that I've watched - been an evasive fighter. He comes forward, he throws leather, or he mugs on the ropes. Your strategy for him seems to rely on some transfiguration of styles.

^^

What he said.

We should keep oxy in canada the boredom seems to galvanise him

we'll see at the weigh in tommorow - how much he weighs then make a judgement. Think about 215 225 should be about right. No point trying to wrestle Klitschko - first - he'll smash you and second you'll tire yourself out. think chisora should cling on to vitalis neck and lift his own feet off the canvas - lets see how he likes to be worn down.

ShahenshahG wrote:We should keep oxy in canada the boredom seems to galvanise him

Sadly true my friend. Montreal is a terribly dull place.

I suppose its alright if you like cities - but I prefer open fields myself. Don't know why I thought to come in the first place.

I will also be taking the "remember password" logins off all the laptops at home when I get back ;-)

hahaha dont want her to find out your love affair with Alex da Man? How his inability to type coherently without the use of the word saveloy rendered him a wounded typist who you could not but heal with your encyclopaedic knowledge of these strange entities known as words?

Best of luck mate.

As for Montreal - come to kashmir when it settles down - about may and a lot of englishmen still around there so you wont look out of place - i imagine you'd love it as its nearly all countryside and the roads are scary but fantastic. Each drive = a trip on its own and got the mountains behind us if you prefer that.

My god - I wish I was going and my wife wasn't:laugh:

oxring wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:We should keep oxy in canada the boredom seems to galvanise him

Sadly true my friend. Montreal is a terribly dull place.

I suppose its alright if you like cities - but I prefer open fields myself. Don't know why I thought to come in the first place.

I will also be taking the "remember password" logins off all the laptops at home when I get back ;-)

Go to quebec instead. The old city is amazing.

ShahenshahG wrote:hahaha dont want her to find out your love affair with Alex da Man? How his inability to type coherently without the use of the word saveloy rendered him a wounded typist who you could not but heal with your encyclopaedic knowledge of these strange entities known as words?

Best of luck mate.

As for Montreal - come to kashmir when it settles down - about may and a lot of englishmen still around there so you wont look out of place - i imagine you'd love it as its nearly all countryside and the roads are scary but fantastic. Each drive = a trip on its own and got the mountains behind us if you prefer that.

My god - I wish I was going and my wife wasn't:laugh:

ROFL. Sounds perfect actually. I was in the Alps for a week in September - mountains are amazing in summer - and I can't begin to imagine what a properly massive mountain range looks like.

Was hoping to spend some time in Uttaranchal as part of my elective. Fell through, unfortunately (bit sad though).

And alas, Alex's illness was beyond my capabilities. I'd have more luck trying to persuade belfastjosh to be civil to people.

rowley wrote:

OasisBFC wrote:he does look in good shape and fair play to him.

read the rubbish thats posted below in the comments section:

Calling Chisora British is why 'British' is no longer an identity. If anyone can be British and anything eg Curries can be British then WHAT IS BRITISH? This anyone and anything idology is why this country has no pride in who and what it is. Britishness is now so cheap it is worthles
- English not British!, Wakefield ENGLAND, 16/2/2012 10:51
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He is a natural heavyweight and I think he has more of a chance than Haye did. Anyway, as Steve Martin said; "the only thing I know about boxing is never bet on the white guy!"
- Mark , minster, Kent., 16/2/2012 10:51
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He's as British as Klitschko.
- AKN, UK, 16/2/2012 10:31
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if he was born in zimbabwe then he is not and can never be 'as british as a red phone box'.
- nononsenseman, windsor, 16/2/2012 09:50

who says the daily mail attracts a certain type of reader.

Can't access the daily mail at work. I never thought I would grow to actively love a firewall but comments like that could see that change.

I agree with those comments. Chisora is from Zimbarbwe not the UK and should be proud of where he is from. He has only been in the UK for 10 years. There´s no way he is British as he was born abroad to foreign parents.

When would you consider him to have 'done his time' Lovely. Obviously I know within the Immigration Rules you can qualify for citizenship within six years and personally can well imagine that if you have been in a country for ten years and enjoyed countless opportunities which would have otherwise been unimaginable had you remained in the country of your birth you may well feel a loyalty and emotional bond to that country far stronger than anything you feel towards your birth country, but am more than happy to ignore the laws of the land and common sense for when you arbitrarily decide he had put enough time in.

rowley wrote:When would you consider him to have 'done his time' Lovely. Obviously I know within the Immigration Rules you can qualify for citizenship within six years and personally can well imagine that if you have been in a country for ten years and enjoyed countless opportunities which would have otherwise been unimaginable had you remained in the country of your birth you may well feel a loyalty and emotional bond to that country far stronger than anything you feel towards your birth country, but am more than happy to ignore the laws of the land and common sense for when you arbitrarily decide he had put enough time in.

There is no way he can be British. Even if he stays here for 50 years. He may well get a British passport and become a British citizen but that does not make him British. My dad is from Morocco and lived in the UK for 20 years but there's no way I would tell people my dad is British because he is not even though he has the passport. Furthermore my dad moved to Spain and has been living there for about 9 years but he is not Spanish. My mum is Scottish and lives in Spain too and theres no way she is Spanish, she does not even speak the language.

The point I am making is that a person cannot change their nationality when they please. The place you were born is the place you are from. Chisora is 100% zimbabwean and theres no way he should be described as a British fighter.

Nobody is arguing they can change their nationailty "when they please" however they can do it after the period specified in the laws of that specific country. Don't know Dereck's individual case but he has more than comfortably done in excess of the period specified in UK law so whether you agree or not is largely academic, if he has obtained citizenship he is well within his rights to call himself British and be described as such. However if you feel that strongly about it please feel free to write to Richard Littlejohn, but as this is a boxing forum this conversation will not be continuing.

rowley wrote:Nobody is arguing they can change their nationailty "when they please" however they can do it after the period specified in the laws of that specific country. Don't know Dereck's individual case but he has more than comfortably done in excess of the period specified in UK law so whether you agree or not is largely academic, if he has obtained citizenship he is well within his rights to call himself British and be described as such. However if you feel that strongly about it please feel free to write to Richard Littlejohn, but as this is a boxing forum this conversation will not be continuing.

The laws are simple but the laws state that after 5 years a person can apply for British citizenship. It does not state that they are now British.

Chisora is not British and a piece of paper will not change that.

rowley wrote:Nobody is arguing they can change their nationailty "when they please" however they can do it after the period specified in the laws of that specific country. Don't know Dereck's individual case but he has more than comfortably done in excess of the period specified in UK law so whether you agree or not is largely academic, if he has obtained citizenship he is well within his rights to call himself British and be described as such. However if you feel that strongly about it please feel free to write to Richard Littlejohn, but as this is a boxing forum this conversation will not be continuing.

Jeff, can you stop trolling my thread with your job specification. If you are looking for work, send your CV through the proper channels.

How's his toe? This seems the most important factor in a fighters performance

The toes are fine at the moment bhb, he had cut the nail on his big toe too short but it seems to have recovered in time.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

rowley wrote:Nobody is arguing they can change their nationailty "when they please" however they can do it after the period specified in the laws of that specific country. Don't know Dereck's individual case but he has more than comfortably done in excess of the period specified in UK law so whether you agree or not is largely academic, if he has obtained citizenship he is well within his rights to call himself British and be described as such. However if you feel that strongly about it please feel free to write to Richard Littlejohn, but as this is a boxing forum this conversation will not be continuing.

Jeff, can you stop trolling my thread with your job specification. If you are looking for work, send your CV through the proper channels.

Its a recession Tina, have a heart, a bloke has got to try and make a living.

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:

rowley wrote:Nobody is arguing they can change their nationailty "when they please" however they can do it after the period specified in the laws of that specific country. Don't know Dereck's individual case but he has more than comfortably done in excess of the period specified in UK law so whether you agree or not is largely academic, if he has obtained citizenship he is well within his rights to call himself British and be described as such. However if you feel that strongly about it please feel free to write to Richard Littlejohn, but as this is a boxing forum this conversation will not be continuing.

Jeff, can you stop trolling my thread with your job specification. If you are looking for work, send your CV through the proper channels.

Without Coxy around he doesn't have as many wild right wing fires to douse. I'm not surprised he has leapt all over this one, as the aforementioned Coxy would a fine young lady.

oxring wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

oxring wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

azania wrote:Chis is never going to be ripped or close to it. If he ever came in ripped, he'll get KO'd mid round as he tires. Muscles tighten up when you get tired. Having some body fat means you burn that off first.

You still have muscles when you have fat...

And what would suggest he is KO'd because he is 'ripped'...

Not true regarding your statement about burning fat either.

Really johnson? Are you a biochemist or a physiologist perchance? Perhaps you would explain to us all your meaning regarding your body fat assertion?

Yes, Oxy, you need to those qualifications to have an understanding of the human body... Dear me...

Nobody is asking him to be ripped, but being around 25% body fat is disgraceful in my view.

Actually johnson - you do. I'm not asking for BSc level stuff - I'm asking whether you're yet another meathead who wanders into a gym, does a couple of bicep curls, necks a maximuscle and thinks himself capable of pronouncing on the nuances of human physiology. Mostly through reciting the age old "fat bad, muscle good" mantra like an ape, although lacking the critical thinking of our primate cousins.

Lipid is mobilised preferentially to protiein degradation (and muscle breakdown). This much is true.

We've seen Chisora gas, once, against Fury - when he was in woeful shape. He set the pace against Helenius and didn't gas - and he looks in better shape now. He's not going into a bodybuilding competition or a dance class. If he tires - then we have our answer - he wasn't in good enough nick.

Further - your idea that he has to move and evade implies that you've never actually seen him box. He has never, in any of the 10-12 of his 17 fights that I've watched - been an evasive fighter. He comes forward, he throws leather, or he mugs on the ropes. Your strategy for him seems to rely on some transfiguration of styles.

Why the attitude, Oxy...

I've no problem with debate, but I'm above the petty insults that several members seem to be throwing my way these days. If you wish to debate, can we not do it like adults?

azania wrote:

OasisBFC wrote:

azania wrote:

Tyson was not chissled. Haye was though. I believe it affected his stamina also. Tyson always carried slight body fat.

http://cdn0.hark.com/images/000/000/100/100/original.jpg
if this isnt chiselled, i dont know what you're definition of that is.

Bruno, Weaver and Norton were chisselled. So is Haye. All lacked stamina to a certain extent. Even in that picture Tyson doesn't looked that ripped. Yes he has a 6 pac. So did Ali and Frazier. He was always stocky and well built.

ive already said you're confusing being overly muscular like bruno with being chiselled or ripped.
seriously, get your eyes checked, or just face reality - the percentage of body fat on tyson in that picture must be around 5%. (i dont actually think tyson's stamina was great, but that doesn't seem to bother you)

your argument was that the greats were never ripped as having fat helped them i argued that lewis, vitali, Wladimir, holyfield didnt have this magic fat you speak of. its not all to do with what they look like - its just what engine they have underneath. body type is deceptive.

but it's it funny that them division with the fighters who have a bigger body fat percentage is also the division with the un fittest fighters

Thought I replied with exactly the same tone as you had used to me johnson. Its a question anyway. I'm not saying you are a meathead gym-bunny whose understanding of nutrition and sports science comes from the back of a maximuscle packet. I'm asking if you are. Big difference.

Anyway. You're not impressed by Chisora's physique. Methinks that it won't be his physique that holds him back against Vitali. Skill and experience are more pressing concerns.

oxring wrote:Thought I replied with exactly the same tone as you had used to me johnson. Its a question anyway. I'm not saying you are a meathead gym-bunny whose understanding of nutrition and sports science comes from the back of a maximuscle packet. I'm asking if you are. Big difference.

Anyway. You're not impressed by Chisora's physique. Methinks that it won't be his physique that holds him back against Vitali. Skill and experience are more pressing concerns.

Why do people have issues with 'meatheads'? If someone has the dedication to get themself in fantastic physical shape it should be applauded, not insulted with pathetic name calling.

I've been called a meat head a few time I suppose, doesnt really offend me. See is as a back handed compliment, they can obviously recognise that I work out.

I also dont like Maxi Muscle, more of an Optimum Nutrition man.

OasisBFC wrote:

but it's it funny that them division with the fighters who have a bigger body fat percentage is also the division with the un fittest fighters

Roy "Country" Nelson. Heavyweight MMA fighter with a cardio level that belies his physique. Definitely bucks the trend

Spoiler:

johnson2 wrote:

oxring wrote:Thought I replied with exactly the same tone as you had used to me johnson. Its a question anyway. I'm not saying you are a meathead gym-bunny whose understanding of nutrition and sports science comes from the back of a maximuscle packet. I'm asking if you are. Big difference.

Anyway. You're not impressed by Chisora's physique. Methinks that it won't be his physique that holds him back against Vitali. Skill and experience are more pressing concerns.

Why do people have issues with 'meatheads'? If someone has the dedication to get themself in fantastic physical shape it should be applauded, not insulted with pathetic name calling.

I've been called a meat head a few time I suppose, doesnt really offend me. See is as a back handed compliment, they can obviously recognise that I work out.

I also dont like Maxi Muscle, more of an Optimum Nutrition man.

I have a problem with "meat heads" because majority of them come across as Mr know it alls when in fact they know sod all about the human body. There's one down my gym who told a scrawny guy he should start by lifting his body weight

Please note I'm not saying you are one of these people.

Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake wrote:

OasisBFC wrote:

but it's it funny that them division with the fighters who have a bigger body fat percentage is also the division with the un fittest fighters

Roy "Country" Nelson. Heavyweight MMA fighter with a cardio level that belies his physique. Definitely bucks the trend

Spoiler:

He struggles to compete for 3 x 5 minute rounds, not the best...

hampo171 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

oxring wrote:Thought I replied with exactly the same tone as you had used to me johnson. Its a question anyway. I'm not saying you are a meathead gym-bunny whose understanding of nutrition and sports science comes from the back of a maximuscle packet. I'm asking if you are. Big difference.

Anyway. You're not impressed by Chisora's physique. Methinks that it won't be his physique that holds him back against Vitali. Skill and experience are more pressing concerns.

Why do people have issues with 'meatheads'? If someone has the dedication to get themself in fantastic physical shape it should be applauded, not insulted with pathetic name calling.

I've been called a meat head a few time I suppose, doesnt really offend me. See is as a back handed compliment, they can obviously recognise that I work out.

I also dont like Maxi Muscle, more of an Optimum Nutrition man.

I have a problem with "meat heads" because majority of them come across as Mr know it alls when in fact they know sod all about the human body. There's one down my gym who told a scrawny guy he should start by lifting his body weight

Please note I'm not saying you are one of these people.

That is not specific to meatheads though. Quite often boxing coaches, personal trainers, runners etc... will give out poor advice on how to get faster/bigger/stronger.

hampo171 wrote:

johnson2 wrote:

oxring wrote:Thought I replied with exactly the same tone as you had used to me johnson. Its a question anyway. I'm not saying you are a meathead gym-bunny whose understanding of nutrition and sports science comes from the back of a maximuscle packet. I'm asking if you are. Big difference.

Anyway. You're not impressed by Chisora's physique. Methinks that it won't be his physique that holds him back against Vitali. Skill and experience are more pressing concerns.

Why do people have issues with 'meatheads'? If someone has the dedication to get themself in fantastic physical shape it should be applauded, not insulted with pathetic name calling.

I've been called a meat head a few time I suppose, doesnt really offend me. See is as a back handed compliment, they can obviously recognise that I work out.

I also dont like Maxi Muscle, more of an Optimum Nutrition man.

I have a problem with "meat heads" because majority of them come across as Mr know it alls when in fact they know sod all about the human body. There's one down my gym who told a scrawny guy he should start by lifting his body weight

Please note I'm not saying you are one of these people.

if he means using his own body weight in his excersies, it's very good advice. if he means putting 150lbs on a bench press its obviously stupid.

many martial artists and other fitness experts only do exercises that use their own body weight. press ups, chin ups, squats, jumping jacks, etc. helps the body become more explosive without bulking up apparently

Judges have scored the weigh in to Helenius apparently....

johnson2 wrote:

Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake wrote:

OasisBFC wrote:

but it's it funny that them division with the fighters who have a bigger body fat percentage is also the division with the un fittest fighters

Roy "Country" Nelson. Heavyweight MMA fighter with a cardio level that belies his physique. Definitely bucks the trend

Spoiler:

He struggles to compete for 3 x 5 minute rounds, not the best...

I take it you didn't watch his last fight? He took an absolute hammering for 3 rounds and still kept going, showing no sign of stopping