What on Earth!! Chisora v haye at post fight presser video

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I can't believe Chisora could pack anymore drama in than he already had, but now this. Haye was well out of order, turned up to bulldoze Chisora's press conference and then resorted to Friday night pub tactics in some backward town. The Klits must think we are all mental

http://www.esnewsreporting.com/david-haye-and-dereck-chisora-exchange-blows-post-fight/

These boys have overstepped the mark with this.. I'm all for a bit of tear up in a press conference, but the use of weapons and spouting threats such as "I'm going to shoot him" leaves the authorities with very little room for manoeuvre. Nobody will lose their career, as someone pointed out earlier in the thread many fighters with chequered pasts get licenses no problem, but both men may well lose their liberty for a short period.

Remember when heavyweight boxing got attention for great fighters and great fights.. How I miss those days.

The genius of PBF wrote:

rowley wrote:Ban the pair of em for a long time. Chisora is clearly unstable and is an accident waiting to happen. The most worrying thing is where he to follow through on his threat to shoot Haye it would not come as even a slight shock. the sport has no place for him and if he was banned for life it would not be in the slightest bit to the detriment of the sport.

Also Haye is far from blameless in this affair, this is just the sort of thing he trades on. Is unwilling or incapable to keep his name in the press in the traditional way, ie actually fighting and beating opponents so keeps some sort of profile through increasingly outlandish and distasteful statements and claims, probably inevitable his particular brand of boorishness would meet with a reaction such as this eventually, the sooner he retires so the sport does not have to endure his own particular brand of self publicty the better.

What has Haye done wrong? He tried to defend himself from Chisora...Why cant he box just because you probably spent ppv money on him it is not his fault, did he hold a gun to your head?

Heavyweight division needs Haye...I told you all Vitali is ripe for the taking...Haye will knock him out!

Bernd Boente knows this so is preventing Haye vs Vitali.

And if Haye doesn't stand up at the press conference and start shouting about how Chisora has lost three in a row there is no provocation for Dereck to react to. For me Haye has gone to the conference for one reason and one reason only, to shout his mouth off and create some kind of interest in him fighting Vitali because he sees this as an easier option than actually getting in the ring and earning the shot as he should be doing.

Knowsit17 wrote:Beginning to run out of ways to defend Chisora tbh, while I'm all for the occasional pre-fight animosity not only has Chisora failed to back up his body language where it counts but he is coming across as a classless loudmouth with little if any self-control outside the ring. He has seriously tarnished his previous image over the last few days.

So you think when Chisora got bottled he should have batted his eye lids and told him he forgave him?

The bottom line is that had Chisora not got up to confront Haye, none of this would have happened. Yes Haye was mouthing off. Big deal. He's selling himself and a fight again. It happens. How many times has a challenger crashed a press confrence and no brawl ensued?

This is boxing where bravado sells. For one I'm happy about it. It puts both guys in the headlines and controversy sells. Haye has boxed himself into a corner more than ever before and he has to deliver. He will.

Chisora wasn't bottled.

Vitali is the one calling him out and saying he will knock him out...What's wrong with him creating interest you think boxers who risk their lives should not be paid?

Haye was responding to Chisora taunts...Why is Boente and Klitsckho telling bare faced lies like Haye didn't agree when he clearly has?

Haye has done nothing wrong and acted in self defence!!!

oxring wrote:You're bang on Knowsit.

What I keep trying to say to Az - but he seemingly has gone selectively deaf is the following: You don't get a title shot with a 1-3-0 record in your last 3 fights - especially when the 1 was some random journeyman in a not-all-that-impressive a performance.

Once he beats someone - anyone - he is back in the money.

Price would be a good opponent. Judging by Chisora's performance tonight - he's got the ability - if he turns up in shape.

We all know thathe beat Helenius. He entered that fight after beating him. One moment you say Helenius lost and now you're hiding behind official results.

Price would get KO's in one. Other than his chin being dodgy, he is way too inexperienced. Give him another 10 fights and 2-3 years. No need to damage him confidence by feeding him to the lions this early in his career.

Nore Staat wrote:Chisora wanted Haye to talk to him to his face. Haye threw a punch with his hand holding the bottle, the bottle crunched into Chisoras right shoulder. Chisora went into shock and kept repeating "David you glassed me", "David you glassed me", wanting some acknowledgement, he then said he was going to shoot him and burn him.

Thats ridiculous. Chisora didn't go to have a pleasant chat. This is the guy who slapped Vit, has bitten an opponent, kissed an opponent in the weigh in stare down and you think he was being homourable? Pull the other one.

The genius of PBF wrote:Vitali is the one calling him out and saying he will knock him out...What's wrong with him creating interest you think boxers who risk their lives should not be paid?

Haye was responding to Chisora taunts...Why is Boente and Klitsckho telling bare faced lies like Haye didn't agree when he clearly has?

Haye has done nothing wrong and acted in self defence!!!

Exactly.

azania wrote:Chisora wasn't bottled.

The video and photograph shows he was (see previously posted links). Haye threw a left and then a right - he was holding the bottle in his right. The photograph shows the bottle in his right as he was hitting Chisora - with the liquid spilling out the neck and the base of the bottle hitting the chin or below the chin of chisora. In the video you can hear the sound of breaking glass when Haye throws the right.

Nore Staat wrote:

azania wrote:Chisora wasn't bottled.

The video and photograph shows he was (see previously posted links). Haye threw a left and then a right - he was holding the bottle in his right. The photograph shows the bottle in his right as he was hitting Chisora - with the liquid spilling out the neck and the base of the bottle hitting the chin or below the chin of chisora. In the video you can hear the sound of breaking glass when Haye throws the right.

The Ring stated that Chisora threw the first punch.

Anyway, its all good for boxing imo.

That was all an illusion Staat, despite us all being able to see what happened our eyes are lying to us.

trottb wrote:I don't really know how you can say Wlad was on the wind up? The only thing I saw was him not being allowed in by Chisoras team to view the hand wrappings and followed by having his face spat in, which both rightly annoyed him. Or have I missed something?

And making Chisora take the rap of and trying to force him to rap it another way, for no reason other then to try and over power... that's also disrespectful .

It's depressing really. Two British heavies acting like thugs on a Saturday night p!5s up in Chelmsford.

Thing is, if they were ever to fight properly, there was probably more action in those couple of minutes than you'd see in the ring.

I confess to once being a Haye fan (certainly up to the Wlad fight anyway). However, he has tarnished himself badly now and I can't see him returning. Boente himself has stated that they are done with Britain and will look to other countries for opponents now.

Chisora? I honestly don't know what next for him. His antics will doubtless be popular with the "Friday night thug" crowd but he's damaged goods, and appears to have no control over being sensible. So, a rematch against Helenius then???

tunes666 wrote:

trottb wrote:I don't really know how you can say Wlad was on the wind up? The only thing I saw was him not being allowed in by Chisoras team to view the hand wrappings and followed by having his face spat in, which both rightly annoyed him. Or have I missed something?

And making Chisora take the rap of and trying to force him to rap it another way, for no reason other then to try and over power... that's also disrespectful .

Precisely. Their gentlemanly attitude is a charade. Their management offers slave contracts. The whole team are a joke. Hoping that they are both brutally knocked out. I'd like to see the back of them with their sanctimounsly sickening attitude. They make me want to vomit.

Mr Bounce wrote:It's depressing really. Two British heavies acting like thugs on a Saturday night p!5s up in Chelmsford.

Thing is, if they were ever to fight properly, there was probably more action in those couple of minutes than you'd see in the ring.

I confess to once being a Haye fan (certainly up to the Wlad fight anyway). However, he has tarnished himself badly now and I can't see him returning. Boente himself has stated that they are done with Britain and will look to other countries for opponents now.

Chisora? I honestly don't know what next for him. His antics will doubtless be popular with the "Friday night thug" crowd but he's damaged goods, and appears to have no control over being sensible. So, a rematch against Helenius then???

Its not depressing. People are talking about it. Its a wonderful marketting opportunity. Boxing needed something like this to galvanise it and make non boxing fans talk about the sport.

The K's are bad for boxing in they are boring in and out of the ring.

We agree on something for once Az.

The way people talk about the brothers you would think they are the modern day equivalent of Alexis Arguello, they are not even close, he was a true gentleman they are not.

I don't believe in bad publicity. The two of them are not doing boxing any favours. A bit of shoving and mouthing off? Fine. Bottles, tripods, blood, threats to kill? Not my idea of selling something.

Especially from a has-been and a never-will-be.

I think the Klitchko brothers are great boxers but I cant believe people actually believe their gentleman act.

Mr Bounce wrote:I don't believe in bad publicity. The two of them are not doing boxing any favours. A bit of shoving and mouthing off? Fine. Bottles, tripods, blood, threats to kill? Not my idea of selling something.

Especially from a has-been and a never-will-be.

This isn't a beauty contest. Its boxing. Controversy sells.

I actually like Vitali, i think that he shows alot of grace but Wlad seriously annoys me with his antics. He is the one that tries to use this good guy image not Vitali. Vitali seems to be a very genuine man.

I cant see that they are a disgrace to the sport, i feel its more their management team that is disgracing the sport with the contracts.

Mr Bounce wrote:... Boente himself has stated that they are done with Britain and will look to other countries for opponents now. ...

He didn't - in the video he is explaining in English what the German question was - this was the question - are the Klitschkos done with Britain - Boente himself never stated that the Klitschkos were done with Britain. Instead he said that Chisora fought with his heart, while Haye fought with his toe. The BBC website coverage is currently full of inaccuracies (seems to be due to Mr Ben Dirs).

The genius of PBF wrote:I think the Klitchko brothers are great boxers but I cant believe people actually believe their gentleman act.

I think they're bad for boxing in fact. The games they play is bad for boxing. They never offer a level playing field and make the Paq weight stips appear fine and dandy.

From what i got of the German comments from Boente was that he and the brothers K were done with 'these' Brittish boxers and will look for other challenges. Not with Brittish boxing in general. I could be wrong though as my German is not that great

Nore Staat wrote:

Mr Bounce wrote:... Boente himself has stated that they are done with Britain and will look to other countries for opponents now. ...

He didn't - in the video he is explaining in English what the German question was - this was the question - are the Klitschkos done with Britain - Boente himself never stated that the Klitschkos were done with Britain. Instead he said that Chisora fought with his heart, while Haye fought with his toe. The BBC website coverage is currently full of inaccuracies (seems to be due to Mr Ben Dirs).

Got this from Fightnews.com. Probably still misquoted though - you gotta love journalists...

Boente stated, “With the bad experience we’ve had with British fighters we will now look for other countries.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWrNGUeW2i8&feature=player_embedded

That's the best link, sorry if someone's posted it before. Clearly, Chisora goes for Haye and Haye, mindful of his early antics, throws a left-right before smashing a video tripod into his own man Adam Booth. Chisora then goes a bit wacky. Meanwhile, the Klitschkos are having a good chuckle in the back and Warren't thinking about the money he's made.Top stuff!

It's definitely a misquote because, Boente goes on to say that Haye should fight Chisora, Warren then asks Boente that the winner can fight a Klitschko, and Boente says that's a good idea (or something similar).

In the mean-time Chisora repeats the toe comment to Haye and Haye replies that he is a three time loser and maybe something else. Chisora then says - say that to my face - and then goes off with microphone to Haye. What I didn't understand was why Warren allowed Chisora to go off like that - I think he was thinking that the two would agree to a fight there and then (Chisora v Haye). But for some reason Haye got a little spooked and threw a left followed by the right (in which he was holding the bottle) ... and the rest is history,

Thats a good link

From what I can see, it looks like Haye throws the first punch (bottle in hand) and clobbers Adam Booth with the tripod as well! What a muppet!

How is this good for boxing?

Some pushing and shoving In a pre fight press conference, maybe. It could drum up some publicity.

This thing was just ugly. Haye came to hijack the presser. He shouldn't have been there.

No Haye = No brawl.

I'm not giving Chislra a pass on this but his antics up to this were hardly out of the norm of what we have seen in many HW fights. Alex Higgins threatened to have Denis Taylor shot. It was nothing but cheap talk.

Haye ramped things up by actually using a bottle as an offensive weapon and and then decided to hit someone with a tripod. And people wonder why weapons assaults are so common in South London.


I don't know who said:


'Judge a man not by his words but by his actions'


People need to open their eyes and see David Haye for what he really is.

Money talks though. Add in a lack of other viable opponents and it wouldn't be a huge shock to see another w/v klitschko vs chisora/haye. Whilst I can't condone anyones actions in the brawl, nor bring myself to like Chisora or Haye anymore, I can see this being good for boxing. Obviously in an ideal scenario we'd have honarable and highly skilled fighters challenging each other then going for the titles (or whilst we're at it, just one title) but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

We now though for the first time in a while have some characters in heavyweight boxing. The noble, whiter than white, Klitschkos. The raving lunactic Chisora. I'm not sure what Haye is but he gets people talking. There are also some potentially interesting matchs ups. Wladamir vs Chisora, Haye vs Chisora and Vitali vs Haye.

The best for me about the brawl is when the camera cuts to Vitali watching it all with a look of bemusement and contempt on his face

The funny thing for me is that Haye goes to the press conference with a view to hijacking it and getting Vitali angry enough to fight him, but winds up landing a fight with Chisora instead!

I bet that's not what Haye ever hoped or wanted to happen as Chisora doesn't have any belts. To top it off, Haye could end up facing assault charges from both Chisora and his manager Booth! Haha.

You coudn't dream this stuff up, truth is stranger than fiction.

PatientFist wrote:Money talks though. Add in a lack of other viable opponents and it wouldn't be a huge shock to see another w/v klitschko vs chisora/haye. Whilst I can't condone anyones actions in the brawl, nor bring myself to like Chisora or Haye anymore, I can see this being good for boxing. Obviously in an ideal scenario we'd have honarable and highly skilled fighters challenging each other then going for the titles (or whilst we're at it, just one title) but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

We now though for the first time in a while have some characters in heavyweight boxing. The noble, whiter than white, Klitschkos. The raving lunactic Chisora. I'm not sure what Haye is but he gets people talking. There are also some potentially interesting matchs ups. Wladamir vs Chisora, Haye vs Chisora and Vitali vs Haye.

The best for me about the brawl is when the camera cuts to Vitali watching it all with a look of bemusement and contempt on his face

If he was a member of a forum he would either be a WUM or Troll

I thought you were calling me a troll for a second. And yeah, you're probably spot on!

Adam D wrote:

PatientFist wrote:Money talks though. Add in a lack of other viable opponents and it wouldn't be a huge shock to see another w/v klitschko vs chisora/haye. Whilst I can't condone anyones actions in the brawl, nor bring myself to like Chisora or Haye anymore, I can see this being good for boxing. Obviously in an ideal scenario we'd have honarable and highly skilled fighters challenging each other then going for the titles (or whilst we're at it, just one title) but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

We now though for the first time in a while have some characters in heavyweight boxing. The noble, whiter than white, Klitschkos. The raving lunactic Chisora. I'm not sure what Haye is but he gets people talking. There are also some potentially interesting matchs ups. Wladamir vs Chisora, Haye vs Chisora and Vitali vs Haye.

The best for me about the brawl is when the camera cuts to Vitali watching it all with a look of bemusement and contempt on his face

If he was a member of a forum he would either be a WUM or Troll

From what I could tell Haye was only interested in debating a fight between himself and Vitali Klitschko - saying that Boente had agreed the fight in Dec 2011 and then gone back on his word. Warren and Chisora were only interested in trying to get an agreement for a Chisora v Haye fight. However, Haye wasn't interested and was only interested in settling a dispute he had with Boente for a Haye-Vitali fight.

This was all Haye's doing im afraid.

As much as I can't stand Chisora either, Del Boy went to talk face to face he had the microphone so the press could get the conversation he was about to have with Haye.

The comments I just read saying Haye was acting in self defense are outrageous!!! haha

SO I can get away with punching people when they approach or confront me??

It would have been self defense If Del Boy had of tried to throw a punch or something. But he left the stage and said he wanted to talk face to face. And as soon as he got near Haye, he got wholloped one.

Chisora will be made the villian of this because of his previous actions, but that is the Haye brown nosing media folk. People who are actually right in the head will see that Haye was out of order here. Chisora was even cleaning Adam Booths head at the end and visibly upset at what Haye done to him.

I hope Haye never fights again after that. Chisora may have hit Vitali a slap and spat water at Wlad which is disrespectful but that bottle Haye had in his hand could have broke and went through Del Boys neck. Stupid and dangerous. A boxer using weapons (bottle and tripod) is way too much.

"Haye be quiet you're a salesman" hahaahahaha

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:This was all Haye's doing im afraid.

As much as I can't stand Chisora either, Del Boy went to talk face to face he had the microphone so the press could get the conversation he was about to have with Haye.

The comments I just read saying Haye was acting in self defense are outrageous!!! haha

SO I can get away with punching people when they approach or confront me??

It would have been self defense If Del Boy had of tried to throw a punch or something. But he left the stage and said he wanted to talk face to face. And as soon as he got near Haye, he got wholloped one.

Chisora will be made the villian of this because of his previous actions, but that is the Haye brown nosing media folk. People who are actually right in the head will see that Haye was out of order here. Chisora was even cleaning Adam Booths head at the end and visibly upset at what Haye done to him.

I hope Haye never fights again after that. Chisora may have hit Vitali a slap and spat water at Wlad which is disrespectful but that bottle Haye had in his hand could have broke and went through Del Boys neck. Stupid and dangerous. A boxer using weapons (bottle and tripod) is way too much.

Agree 99% of this

The 1% is I want to see Haye fight again and get beaten up!

markj3k wrote:The funny thing for me is that Haye goes to the press conference with a view to hijacking it and getting Vitali angry enough to fight him, but winds up landing a fight with Chisora instead!

I bet that's not what Haye ever hoped or wanted to happen as Chisora doesn't have any belts. To top it off, Haye could end up facing assault charges from both Chisora and his manager Booth! Haha.

You coudn't dream this stuff up, truth is stranger than fiction.

It seems clear that Warren invited Haye over as an analyist so a Haye v Chisora fight could be set up. Haye knew this and maybe Frank and Haye even discussed a post fight stare down to hype up a battle of Britain fight.

It wouldn't surprise me if Haye took Frank's flights and fee for travelling to Germany but instead of following through with hyping up a fight with Chisora double crossed Frank and was ignoring Chisora in favour of fight Vitali. When Chisora realised that Haye was only interested in fighting Vitali he flipped the lid.

Adam D wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:This was all Haye's doing im afraid.

As much as I can't stand Chisora either, Del Boy went to talk face to face he had the microphone so the press could get the conversation he was about to have with Haye.

The comments I just read saying Haye was acting in self defense are outrageous!!! haha

SO I can get away with punching people when they approach or confront me??

It would have been self defense If Del Boy had of tried to throw a punch or something. But he left the stage and said he wanted to talk face to face. And as soon as he got near Haye, he got wholloped one.

Chisora will be made the villian of this because of his previous actions, but that is the Haye brown nosing media folk. People who are actually right in the head will see that Haye was out of order here. Chisora was even cleaning Adam Booths head at the end and visibly upset at what Haye done to him.

I hope Haye never fights again after that. Chisora may have hit Vitali a slap and spat water at Wlad which is disrespectful but that bottle Haye had in his hand could have broke and went through Del Boys neck. Stupid and dangerous. A boxer using weapons (bottle and tripod) is way too much.

Agree 99% of this

The 1% is I want to see Haye fight again and get beaten up!

Ok Adam, you win, lets agree 100% and see Haye get beat up haha

Absolutely comical.
Boxing has become more like the WWE.
Wouldnt be surprised if Haye hit Chisora over the head with a steel chair and then challenged him to a hell in a cell (with Vitali as the guest referee).

That would be amazing if it happened.

Have no idea what hell in a cell means benson but it sounds interesting...

Is it something to do with a prison cell and soap?

Strongback wrote:

markj3k wrote:The funny thing for me is that Haye goes to the press conference with a view to hijacking it and getting Vitali angry enough to fight him, but winds up landing a fight with Chisora instead!

I bet that's not what Haye ever hoped or wanted to happen as Chisora doesn't have any belts. To top it off, Haye could end up facing assault charges from both Chisora and his manager Booth! Haha.

You coudn't dream this stuff up, truth is stranger than fiction.

It seems clear that Warren invited Haye over as an analyist so a Haye v Chisora fight could be set up. Haye knew this and maybe Frank and Haye even discussed a post fight stare down to hype up a battle of Britain fight.

It wouldn't surprise me if Haye took Frank's flights and fee for travelling to Germany but instead of following through with hyping up a fight with Chisora double crossed Frank and was ignoring Chisora in favour of fight Vitali. When Chisora realised that Haye was only interested in fighting Vitali he flipped the lid.

Yeah, I must admit I was surprised that Frank didn't stop Chisora from leaving the table and approaching Haye - it would have been the sensible thing to do. Yet Frank Warren was quite happy to sit there and watch it all unfold. He's not silly, he knew something controversial would go down and then he'd have a barn burner on his hands. So while he publicly states that their behaviour is disgraceful, his inaction in this case shows you what he really thinks. Rubbing his hands in glee right now I'll bet.

trottb wrote:Is it something to do with a prison cell and soap?

Is that why you're interested.

Strongback wrote:

trottb wrote:Is it something to do with a prison cell and soap?

Is that why you're interested.

Only if I can be the vaseline guy

The BBC are reporting that Chisora and his manager have been arrested by German police at Munich airport, while their search for Haye continues (maybe he has done a runner?).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17088619

First time post here - after a long time reading...

The whole debacle looks set up to me... Even the bottle - I don't think david would be stupid enough to hit with a real bottle and it would do far more damage than what resulted. Ever heard of sugar glass? - easy to get hold of and very realistic - can get lifelike reproductions of any type of normal glass container - but breaks easily and is far less sharp than real glass... Haye backing up with the tripod knowing it wouldn't do a lot of damage...

I could be wrong in which case David was a bit stupid - but there was barely a cut on Chisora and I'm pretty sure real glass would not have smashed in the way that bottle did...

Certainly got everyone talking about the fight and set up potential rivalries for the immediate future which both protagonists are well known for creating...

News on the mainland here is that after David Haye was intervied by the German police, it was said that his right hand was bandaged due to laserations possibly stemming from breaking a glass on Chisora's chest.

They are saying that David Haye faces charge for criminal damage and possible assault charges, should there be a formal complaint made against him by any of Chisora's camp. Had this have been a German boxer he would have been formally charged.

I only heard this on the radio so am not sure if its true.

Nore Staat wrote:The BBC are reporting that Chisora and his manager have been arrested by German police at Munich airport, while their search for Haye continues (maybe he has done a runner?).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17088619

Chisora has been detained, not arrested.