What on Earth!! Chisora v haye at post fight presser video

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I can't believe Chisora could pack anymore drama in than he already had, but now this. Haye was well out of order, turned up to bulldoze Chisora's press conference and then resorted to Friday night pub tactics in some backward town. The Klits must think we are all mental

http://www.esnewsreporting.com/david-haye-and-dereck-chisora-exchange-blows-post-fight/

lbx2 wrote:First time post here - after a long time reading...

The whole debacle looks set up to me... Even the bottle - I don't think david would be stupid enough to hit with a real bottle and it would do far more damage than what resulted. Ever heard of sugar glass? - easy to get hold of and very realistic - can get lifelike reproductions of any type of normal glass container - but breaks easily and is far less sharp than real glass... Haye backing up with the tripod knowing it wouldn't do a lot of damage...

I could be wrong in which case David was a bit stupid - but there was barely a cut on Chisora and I'm pretty sure real glass would not have smashed in the way that bottle did...

Certainly got everyone talking about the fight and set up potential rivalries for the immediate future which both protagonists are well known for creating...

I wouldnt be surprised. I always question how genuine these scraps are. I wouldnt rule out the possibility that the whole thing was staged in order to create a fake rivalry that would eventually lead to a fight.

I thought Haye was going to enjoy his planned retirement - but both him and his manager had some serious disgreement with Boente over a "promised" fight agreed in Dec 2011 (according to Haye and his coach).

That BBC report is very funny because the German media said that the police interviewed Haye this morning??

trottb wrote:

Strongback wrote:

trottb wrote:Is it something to do with a prison cell and soap?

Is that why you're interested.

Only if I can be the vaseline guy

I don't ever want to know what the Vaseline guys role is.

lbx2 wrote:First time post here - after a long time reading...

The whole debacle looks set up to me... Even the bottle - I don't think david would be stupid enough to hit with a real bottle and it would do far more damage than what resulted. Ever heard of sugar glass? - easy to get hold of and very realistic - can get lifelike reproductions of any type of normal glass container - but breaks easily and is far less sharp than real glass... Haye backing up with the tripod knowing it wouldn't do a lot of damage...

I could be wrong in which case David was a bit stupid - but there was barely a cut on Chisora and I'm pretty sure real glass would not have smashed in the way that bottle did...

Certainly got everyone talking about the fight and set up potential rivalries for the immediate future which both protagonists are well known for creating...

Sugar glass shatters very easily, the bottle Haye had hit the ground and made a loud bang without breaking. It was a real glass bottle. He is an idiot.

And if that was set up then get the Oscars on the phone because that would have been the best bit of acting I have ever seen. Do you also this the tripod was made of foam and the blood on Booth's head was tomato sauce?

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:And if that was set up then get the Oscars on the phone because that would have been the best bit of acting I have ever seen. Do you also this the tripod was made of foam and the blood on Booth's head was tomato sauce?

no but swinging a tripod isnt going to do as much damage as a glass bottle. a bump on the head and a mild cut - pretty much what resulted! I didn't see/hear the bottle hit the ground - i just saw 'glass' shatter into tiny fragments and spray water everywhere...

OK, latest from WDR in Germany, a reliable source. David Haye was questioned briefly in his hotel room (no mention of bandaged hand as what was said on the radio) and was asked to remain in his hotel room. He has since left without checking out and the police are searching for him. If he tries to cross the border in a car and is caught he will be arrested.

Chisora and his trainer have been detained for furthe questioning and by all accounts both are being co-operative with Chisora requesting a press conferance later today where it is thought that he will apologise for his part in yesterdays events.

So not good signs for David Haye if he has done a runner....

eirebilly wrote:OK, latest from WDR in Germany, a reliable source. David Haye was questioned briefly in his hotel room (no mention of bandaged hand as what was said on the radio) and was asked to remain in his hotel room. He has since left without checking out and the police are searching for him. If he tries to cross the border in a car and is caught he will be arrested.

Chisora and his trainer have been detained for furthe questioning and by all accounts both are being co-operative with Chisora requesting a press conferance later today where it is thought that he will apologise for his part in yesterdays events.

So not good signs for David Haye if he has done a runner....

I so hope that Haye gatecrashes it!

Or even better, Wladimir!

It would be funny Adam

David Haye could be in some very serious trouble here. He may sweet talk the Brittish press with his silver tongue but the German police are pretty serious and will not buy any of his talk.

I doubt Wladimir would be able to handle himself in a brawl with Chisora if i'm honest Adam.

One of the things I have learnt from this incident is just how poor, inaccurate and manipulative BBC reporting can be.

Nore Staat wrote:

azania wrote:Chisora wasn't bottled.

The video and photograph shows he was (see previously posted links). Haye threw a left and then a right - he was holding the bottle in his right. The photograph shows the bottle in his right as he was hitting Chisora - with the liquid spilling out the neck and the base of the bottle hitting the chin or below the chin of chisora. In the video you can hear the sound of breaking glass when Haye throws the right.

That wasn't a bottling, if you've ever seen someone get bottled or glassed in real life you'd know. It's vile and disgusting and the results are often horrific. I've seen the photo, it shoes Haye landing a punch with a bottle in his hand but it's his fist that makes contact. And there's no footage connecting the sound of breaking glass - it's a melée, any number of ways a glass might've got smashed.

Whatever you want to say about Klitschko 'slave contracts's, they don't owe anyone anything and they have gotten into that position by beating nearly every possible opponent. They also appear to act 'classy' and 'gentlemanly' and do not bring the sport into disrepute.

What you can say about the Brits is that that they do come across as classless, big mouth yobs.

It was like a playground mentality - no place for it in professional boxing in my opinion. It's often argued whether kids should take up the sport because of the inherent dangers, and "discipline" is usually quoted as one of the reasons for their participation. Where was the discipline last night? Where are the role models? I wouldn't want impressionable youngsters thinking it was okay to punch or bottle someone because it was acceptable for their hero to do so. These "professional" athletes need to consider the wider consequence of their actions.

Both of them acted like complete clowns. Nothing much more to add.

Haye would sell his soul if it meant getting any form of media attention and Chisora is clearly mentally unstable.

The Klitschko's should just ignore them and look towards other challengers. Being able to go the distance with the brother's seems to be enough for them to think that they are entitled to immediate rematches.

Nore Staat wrote:One of the things I have learnt from this incident is just how poor, inaccurate and manipulative BBC reporting can be.

Its not just down to the BBC Nore, German media is also sending confusing information. WDR seems to have their finger on the pulse though. The statement is that David Haye was spoken to by German police upon arrival at his hotel last night and informed to stay there. Sometime during the night or early morning he left the hotel and hasnt been seen since.

I half expect to see him driving past my house any minute now on his way to Schipol

Commander wrote:Whatever you want to say about Klitschko 'slave contracts's, they don't owe anyone anything and they have gotten into that position by beating nearly every possible opponent.

Agree with this 100%.

TopHat24/7 wrote: That wasn't a bottling, if you've ever seen someone get bottled or glassed in real life you'd know. It's vile and disgusting and the results are often horrific. I've seen the photo, it shoes Haye landing a punch with a bottle in his hand but it's his fist that makes contact. And there's no footage connecting the sound of breaking glass - it's a melée, any number of ways a glass might've got smashed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWQs8nMsZNg

At 2.14 / 2.15 it "sounds" like glass is breaking at the same time that liquid sprays everywhere. There is then the sound of a bottle rolling on the ground - but is it the same bottle or a different one? Did the neck break, did the bottle shatter or did the bottle remain intact - I can't be 100% certain. I am certain that Haye punched Chisora without intending to break the bottle - it just happened to be in his hand. There was no blood on Chisora so he wasn't cut.

eirebilly wrote:

Nore Staat wrote:One of the things I have learnt from this incident is just how poor, inaccurate and manipulative BBC reporting can be.

Its not just down to the BBC Nore, German media is also sending confusing information. WDR seems to have their finger on the pulse though. The statement is that David Haye was spoken to by German police upon arrival at his hotel last night and informed to stay there. Sometime during the night or early morning he left the hotel and hasnt been seen since.

I half expect to see him driving past my house any minute now on his way to Schipol

A little while back someone I know at the bbc (it technician) said that the bbc were getting complaints that they always reported news later than others - especially international news and there was a hushed argument about rushing the news through quicker. I've noticed that after that time - the bbc news pick up news quicker but without the usual accuracy.

Shah, the Beeb certainly seem to rush their reports but on this occasion there seems to be massive confusion coming out of Germany. I have heard about 5 different stories on their this morning lol

"you showed your toe"

If anything Haye should've fought with Boente

Boente annoys the hell out of me, Haye got taken ringside for a TV interview with the german broadcaster and he got security to remove him. The guys a complete muppet.

Warren has just been on SSN, didn't seem to sure that Chisora had a future in boxing.

Having now seen the incident, I'm really in quite a jam. I'll admit that I find the recent Klitschkos v Chisora v Haye scene to be infinitely more thrilling than previous excuses for rivalries at HW. However I acknowledge it to be very sad that outside-the-ring dramas and brawls are required the spark interest in the division. Also think that Haye and Chisora should cut the BS and fight each other, they clearly want to and nothing is stopping them. If you leave the official business and continue with the bottlings and such it's going to cost a third party more than just a cut eventually.

So much bile piling up is beginning to grow suffocating. If you listen to the start of the clip Warren clearly suggests a Chisora v Haye meeting with the winner fighting Vit/Wlad (practically one and the same nowadays). Boente appears to wholeheartedly agree.

Now whether this is more than simple stoking of the fire by two opportunist promoters I honestly don't know but there's no excuse. The fight could easily be made if the two want it enough.

Theres no way I believe this was staged. Haye never even wanted a fight with Chisora. Hes after a fight with Vitali. I think he crashed the conference trying to throw his hat into the ring for a fight with Vitali and get some free publicity. Chisora took offence and the two went head to head. I dont think either would risk lengthy bans and fines to drum up a fight between the two of them. Both are looking for title fights and squabbling over who deserves a rematch. If that was staged then Haye would already have his Hollywood career by now.

WDR has cofirmed that Chisora has been officially arrested and charged!!!

Still no word on Haye

azania wrote:The bottom line is that had Chisora not got up to confront Haye, none of this would have happened. Yes Haye was mouthing off. Big deal. He's selling himself and a fight again. It happens. How many times has a challenger crashed a press confrence and no brawl ensued?

This is boxing where bravado sells. For one I'm happy about it. It puts both guys in the headlines and controversy sells. Haye has boxed himself into a corner more than ever before and he has to deliver. He will.

IMO, Getting up to confront another boxer is no disgrace, it happens all the time. Its how you make and sell fights. David Haye was there selling him self, So Chisora played ball. Where it got ugly was when Haye punched him with a bottle in his hand.

the only thing Chisora needs a telling off for, was his reaction "Im going to shoot him" ...

but then again when someone has nearly smashed a bottle in your face after you have done 12 rounds with VK, then it might get you a bit wound up.

The thing is tunes, if Chisora has been arrested and will be charged for his involvement then surely Haye will be in some serious trouble.

I wonder if there is going to be some political pressure in all of this to make an example of them. I have found some of the BBC reporting bordering on the hysterical.

Glen McCrory thinks Chisora should never be allowed to fight again in Britain for being assaulted by Haye. McCrory shouldn't be allowed to voice an opinion.

For me the most serious part of this was what was Haye thinking when he punched Chisora whilst still holding the bottle. Chisora wasn't cut which might suggest it was a "measured punch / strong push".

I agree the traditional face-to-face is fine, boxing will have become a real tea party if it got banned. There's still a line as to what's acceptable, namely striking your opponent in any way during these face-offs. While Chisora's slap will be welcomed as adding much-needed spice in some quarters, which is not entirely untrue tbh, it'll also be rightly stated as disgusting and a stain on the principles of boxing by others.

As for the brawl, considering the dodgy lighting in the clip as well as the crowd obscuring much of it, I really can't tell who started the physical stuff. The fact that weapons were used by one side or the other is simply inexcusable.

Neither Chisora or Haye deserve another title shot immediately, they have now both lost their last outings and should be made to earn their next opportunity. The logical solution is for them to fight each other, in all honesty if either of them doesn't want it then that man is highly deluded thinking he can shout and bottle his way to a free shot. It's now a travesty if Chisora v Haye doesn't happen.

I think there has to be repurcussions for this. In any sport if something like this happened there would be an outcry and serious punishment. In boxing, the argument controversy sells is used to excuse this kind of thing but it doesnt justify that kind of behaviour in my view. It creates headlines without doubt but at the end of the day its borderline criminal behaviour that wouldnt be tolerated in almost any other sport. I would expect a lengthy ban and heavy fine for Chisora. I dont know what powers the BBBC have over Haye but they suggested they might not renew his licence as an option.

Nore, it appeared to me that the glass broke in Haye's hand as he punched Chisora so there was enough force in the punch. The worst moment was when he threw the tri pod. That action will get him in serious trouble with the German police.

As Haye doesnt have a boxing license then BBBC will be unable to touch him on this so he may even end up getting off scott free if the German police cant charge him.

Wellone thing is for sure, we are all talking about the HW division again

ps I don't think either Haye or Chisora will make a claim to the police for personal assault, except only to explain their behaviour (they reacted to ...). I hope Haye doesn't do anything silly.

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I don't see why Chisora needs to have the mic that close to Hayes face or his fist against his chin, the atmosphere only needed something small and by doing this it was always going to cause a problem.

Have they actually found Haye yet im suspecting he's probs legged it to Austria already

hampo171 wrote:

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I don't see why Chisora needs to have the mic that close to Hayes face or his fist against his chin, the atmosphere only needed something small and by doing this it was always going to cause a problem.

Well that clearly occurred just before Haye threw the punch, so Haye could say he reacted to that forgetting he had the bottle in his hand or something.

The Sun website now says that Haye has flown back to England.

Adam D wrote:

PatientFist wrote:Money talks though. Add in a lack of other viable opponents and it wouldn't be a huge shock to see another w/v klitschko vs chisora/haye. Whilst I can't condone anyones actions in the brawl, nor bring myself to like Chisora or Haye anymore, I can see this being good for boxing. Obviously in an ideal scenario we'd have honarable and highly skilled fighters challenging each other then going for the titles (or whilst we're at it, just one title) but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

We now though for the first time in a while have some characters in heavyweight boxing. The noble, whiter than white, Klitschkos. The raving lunactic Chisora. I'm not sure what Haye is but he gets people talking. There are also some potentially interesting matchs ups. Wladamir vs Chisora, Haye vs Chisora and Vitali vs Haye.

The best for me about the brawl is when the camera cuts to Vitali watching it all with a look of bemusement and contempt on his face

If he was a member of a forum he would either be a WUM or Troll

Has it been confirmed that it was a glass bottle and not just a water bottle?. Especially since every time I see Haye he always seems to have a water in hand.

The bottle smashed?

Maybe the reason why Haye cant be found is because Chisora went out late last night and found him

A bottle smashed was it the one Haye had in hand though, the pic I've seen of the Haye punch doesn't show anything other than a bottle in Haye's hand with liquid coming out what could easily be the nozzle end.

I'm just curious if their is any other photo angles that show for definite that it was the bottle Haye had in hand that was smashed.

Adam D wrote:Maybe the reason why Haye cant be found is because Chisora went out late last night and found him

In the video, you can see the excitement of all the cameramen and photographers as they chase them to get the best shots.

Here's a little game I made - Where's David?

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