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Post by HitmanOwl Mon 05 Mar 2012, 11:06 am

Although I highly rate Ziggler,I don't think he's ready for main eventing.

Personally I don't think the wwe is high on him either. He isn't booked for mania yet and isn't even in a program with anyone. It's a shame Tbh. A lot like last year.

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Post by Gregers Mon 05 Mar 2012, 11:15 am

He will be wwe champion this year and has been booked brilliantly over the last few months. Why do you say the WWE aren't high on him? He fought punk for the title at the rumble, was in the ec....

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Post by The_Enigma Mon 05 Mar 2012, 11:20 am

Yeah but this time last year so the Jerry The King Lawler.

I rate Ziggler as one of the best in the world. Big fan of his, but it is a real shame nothing as happend for him yet. He'll most likley end up in this battle of the GM's match.

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Post by Mr H Mon 05 Mar 2012, 11:42 am

I actually think Ziggler will be better as a face. I think there is potential there for a real connection with the crowd. I can totally see him pursuing a World Title as a face and having that 'feel good boyhood dream' moment, on his knees looking at the title ala HBK at Wrestlemania 12.

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Post by Samo Mon 05 Mar 2012, 11:52 am

Mr H wrote:I actually think Ziggler will be better as a face. I think there is potential there for a real connection with the crowd. I can totally see him pursuing a World Title as a face and having that 'feel good boyhood dream' moment, on his knees looking at the title ala HBK at Wrestlemania 12.

Wouldnt that be tainted somewhat since he is already a former World Champion?

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Post by HitmanOwl Mon 05 Mar 2012, 12:17 pm

@gregers,ill make this clear for you.

If the e was behind him and wanted to push him,why isn't he booked for mania yet? He's been quality and will probably win one if the two but it concerns me when he isn't booked in a feud going into mania.

He's going to be stuck doing f all. So that's two manias on the trot he's going to be a joke.

Way to build a new star!


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Post by Samo Mon 05 Mar 2012, 12:25 pm

HitmanOwl wrote:@gregers,ill make this clear for you.

If the e was behind him and wanted to push him,why isn't he booked for mania yet? He's been quality and will probably win one if the two but it concerns me when he isn't booked in a feud going into mania.

He's going to be stuck doing f all. So that's two manias on the trot he's going to be a joke.

Way to build a new star!


Theres still like 5 weeks to go, Orton is only just getting booked into a feud with Kane. Give it time, and have a little faith. When we've a week to go and he still hasnt got anything, THEN we can worry.

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Post by TwisT Mon 05 Mar 2012, 1:04 pm

At the Rumble, he had a good battle with Punk but his character was tarnished. Because of ref bumps, the match would have been over a lot quicker via a GTS. If the WWE wanted to protect him but give Punk the win, there could have been better ways to do it.

Then IN the rumble, he gets blasted like a jobber by Khama.

I don't understand why, even if Wade's injury, they could not have MITB at WM. Getting the briefcase would help Ziggler no end. He could easily turn face by going against Vikki...the amount of heat she gets would make the turn a lot easier.

There are a lot of guys in the middle to high roster, that are lost without direction. For Ziggler, read Barratt. You can also add Sheamus (if he doesn't win at WM) and even Rhodes in this bracket. If they do reach the top, they fear after a few months that they will go right back down (Miz and Swagger for example). It is the upper mid-card merry-go-round.

For that reason, I think Ziggler will get a push by the end of the year. Whether he will stay there is a totally different matter.

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Post by Mr H Mon 05 Mar 2012, 1:42 pm

Samo wrote:
Mr H wrote:I actually think Ziggler will be better as a face. I think there is potential there for a real connection with the crowd. I can totally see him pursuing a World Title as a face and having that 'feel good boyhood dream' moment, on his knees looking at the title ala HBK at Wrestlemania 12.

Wouldnt that be tainted somewhat since he is already a former World Champion?

No, he can still have a feel good moment by winning a second world title. Only this time round it'd be a legit victory & reign.

Personally i think he's a long way from being a World Champion. There are too many infront of him in the queue. Orton, Cena, Sheamus, Barrett, Del Rio and The Miz will all be World Champions again before Ziggler in my opinion.

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Post by hodge Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:17 pm

He was probably due to have a strong showing in the MITB match, with that now gone they need to get something new for him.

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Post by HitmanOwl Mon 05 Mar 2012, 4:50 pm

Honestly I think the mitb is rubbish and it would harm him more than good. Step away from vickie and then we'll see how good Ziggler is.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Mon 05 Mar 2012, 5:17 pm

I really like Ziggler and am impresed by pretty much everything match he is in. I just think there is somthing missing about him i dont know what but somthing. Im happy he isnt in the main event at Mania because i dont think he is ready but i cant say im happy that its Shaemus vs Daniel Bryan aswell. I hope he can get a chance at the title this year either before or after Summer Slam. One thing i do think that should happen though GET RID OF VICKIE !!!

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Post by hodge Mon 05 Mar 2012, 5:31 pm

HitmanOwl wrote:Honestly I think the mitb is rubbish and it would harm him more than good. Step away from vickie and then we'll see how good Ziggler is.

Never said he would win it, just felt he would come out of it looking one of if not the best in the match

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Post by HitmanOwl Mon 05 Mar 2012, 8:27 pm

Id rather he didn't win a mitb just seems to ruin mist but I agree he would be good in it. Just rather see him get to the top without extra help.

I'd change his finisher and get rid of vickie,see how he progresses without the heat magnet.

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Post by hodge Mon 05 Mar 2012, 8:32 pm

They will have to be careful how they spilt him from Vickie as he will more than likely get cheered for it

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Post by Shot 21 LCFC Tue 06 Mar 2012, 10:45 am

Have him in a match versus a face with a stip of if he loses, Vickie gets fired or just has to leave him...

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