Six nations stats so far

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With all six teams now having played three games we can compare the Official Match Data gathered from the nine matches contested so far.

Championship leaders Wales have made, and missed, the most tackles but Scotland and England have the worst tackle completion stats at 91 percent compared to Ireland's 96 percent.

Indeed, the men in green have amazing defensive numbers having missed just 14 tackles in 240 minutes of rugby.

It terms of style of play, there is perhaps no more telling statistic than the 'passes completed': Scotland have pass the ball 704 times compared to Wales, who are next with 489, or England, who passed the least with 382.

England do however have the best kicking numbers with a strike rate of 80 percent thanks to Owen Farrell's accurate boot, unlike Italy who have missed exactly half their attempts at goal!

Scotland have also made the most line-breaks and won the most possession in the opposition's 22, which will be terribly frustrating for coach Andy Robinson since they have also score the least points.

One area that Robinson will be happy with is the line-outs where Scotland have won 33 and have yet to lose one on their own throw in.

Wales have successfully mauled the ball just four times in three games while it seems to be a favourite tactic for the French, who have mauled it up no less than 15 times.

The French have looked to keep ball in hand the most, kicking just 51 times while England have put ball to boot the most.

England are the least dangerous team on attack by some distance having made just three line-breaks and scored just two tries in three matches. With games against the tournament's two best defensive teams - Ireland and France - left on the menu, Stuart Lancaster's men a have a lot of work to do.

Statistics after three rounds

Most tackles made: Wales - 371
Most tackles missed: Wales - 34
Most passes completed: Scotland - 704
Most line breaks: Scotland - 14
Most possession kicked: England - 81
Most turnovers won: Ireland - 16
Most offloads in tackle: Scotland - 38
Most errors made: Italy / Scotland - 36
Most penalties conceded: Wales - 32

Fewest tackles missed: Ireland - 14
Fewest errors made: Wales - 32
Fewest penalties conceded: France - 16

Most points scored: Ireland - 80
Most tries scored: Ireland - 9
Fewest tries conceded: Wales - 3

Most tries conceded: Italy - 10
Fewest tries scored: England - 2
Fewest points scored: Scotland - 36

Most points scored (player): Leigh Halfpenny (Wal) - 44
Most tries scored (player): Tommy Bowe (Ire) - 5

France 17 - 17 Ireland

Having had the worst line-out stats in the first two rounds, France turned the tables on their visitors, stealing three Irish line-outs.

But the stat the Irish will be ruing the most will be the 'penalties conceded' column where the gave away almost three-times as many as the French.

Of course les Bleus will point to the 0-from-2 drops goal attempts from Lionel Beauxis....just one would have been enough for victory.

Possession:
France: 50%
Ireland: 50%

Territory:
France: 56%
Ireland: 44%

Penalties conceded:
France: 4
Ireland: 11

Passes completed:
France: 155
Ireland: 113

Line breaks:
France: 2
Ireland: 2

Ruck and drive v Ruck and pass:
France: 41 - 46
Ireland: 32 - 36

Scrums lost - Line-outs lost:
France: 0 - 0
Ireland: 0 - 3

Ball won in open play - in opposition 22 - in set pieces - in turnovers:
France: 93 - 16 - 32 - 1
Ireland: 69 - 22 - 12 - 4

Possession kicked - Kicks to touch - Percentage kicks
France: 17 - 2 - 32%
Ireland: 18 - 3 - 42%

Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle completion
France: 80 - 4 - 95%
Ireland: 112 - 4 - 96%

Total errors made - errors from kicks:
France: 6 - 2
Ireland: 9 - 1

why is it an england v wales thing? baffling comment Rory.

Both Strettle's and Jones' tries were deemed inconclusive by the TMO's so not counted. Not difficult to understand that.

So like billy says, just 3 tries against (could possibly say 4 for the Hogg one, but it wasn't awarded, so not counted). Very simple.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Except you could see Strettle ground the ball in all honesty. I think this is more of a Wales vs England thing going on here.

I am just being an impartial viewer here. Hogg's was a try but was ruled not and the TMO ruled Strettles attempt out. Not sure what the issue is here. Scoreboard is what counts.

I am glad that i am not agreeing with you Rory because it would feel weird

But you couldn't Rory as there was too many people in the way and no good angles showing he grounded it - they showed he got close - as they showed R Jones got close but then there were too many bodies in the way to award Ryan a try.

I also think Hoggs should def have been a try but then I don't think they would have scored the try 5 mins later as the game would have changed and the ball would have been in a diff area of the park.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Come on though dreamer, Hogg quite clearly scored a legitimate try. Strettle's I think was a try too, though it wasn't as clear.

I'm not trying to rain on Wale's parade or anything, but I do think both of those tries could and should have been given. Apart from that, Wales have had a very good defence. Will be interesting to see how they defend against France, who are more dangerous in attack than anyone they have played so far.

This is my point. Neither am I attempting to be "anti-Welsh" or whatever people keep saying. In reality we know both of those were tries (at least we can surely agree on Hogg's?). So any meaningful evaluation of Wales' defence by any prudent defensive coach would have to consider that the defense was breached on those occassions. To not consider whatever deficiencies led to those scores (or not scores as they were both wrongly ruled out) would be to miss a trick.

I don't think anyone could see Strettle grounding the ball, hence why no try was awarded (meaning it wasn't scored, mitey).

Think there's only agreement on the Hogg one, mitey

Well you completely ignored the Hogg try in your last comment, to say "well it was inconclusive like the Strettle one". Plus this started from you and Mitey, from Wales and England respectively, so it isn't really that baffling..

Yes Morgannwg, and nobody is trying to rewrite history or have the scores changed or claim a moral-victory or an almost-win or whatever, merely saying if you are using stats as a basis to compare the performance of a team, and we know one or more tries were wrongly disallowed, then those breaches of defence are still legitimate and a cause for concern for future Welsh performances. Unless you know for a fact that a referee is guaranteed to disallow at least one valid try against you per game.

I said that about the Ryan Jones try, Rory, not the Hogg one.

Seriously, don't get your posts Rory.

I was discussing an inconclusive try with you in the Ire v Wales match, yet you still think it's a Eng v Wales issue? Seriously, don't get where you're coming from.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Oh look at that.. Top turnovers made by a team goes to Ireland..

Why don't we just stick to Ferris-SOB as our flankers eh?

Because the vast majority of those turnovers come from choke tackles.

I don't disagree with your 2nd sentence (although I would like us to try different options too) but these turnovers aren't the typical warburton/pocock ones.

miteyironpaw wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Come on though dreamer, Hogg quite clearly scored a legitimate try. Strettle's I think was a try too, though it wasn't as clear.

I'm not trying to rain on Wale's parade or anything, but I do think both of those tries could and should have been given. Apart from that, Wales have had a very good defence. Will be interesting to see how they defend against France, who are more dangerous in attack than anyone they have played so far.

This is my point. Neither am I attempting to be "anti-Welsh" or whatever people keep saying. In reality we know both of those were tries (at least we can surely agree on Hogg's?). So any meaningful evaluation of Wales' defence by any prudent defensive coach would have to consider that the defense was breached on those occassions. To not consider whatever deficiencies led to those scores (or not scores as they were both wrongly ruled out) would be to miss a trick.

But by that arguement you need to include any breach of the defence which led to an opportunity as that would then be a meaningful evaluation of that teams defence, such as the opportunities Scotland had to score against England after beating their defence only to knock on - I mean to not consider those defiencies would mean that we're not thoroughly evaulating that defence, but merely evaluating statistics...

miteyironpaw wrote:Yes Morgannwg, and nobody is trying to rewrite history or have the scores changed or claim a moral-victory or an almost-win or whatever, merely saying if you are using stats as a basis to compare the performance of a team, and we know one or more tries were wrongly disallowed, then those breaches of defence are still legitimate and a cause for concern for future Welsh performances. Unless you know for a fact that a referee is guaranteed to disallow at least one valid try against you per game.

mitey, you and your band of WUMs have been claiming this 'moral victory' ever since we beat you at your supposedly inpenetrable fortess Twickenham. And is an overlap a breach in defence?

I know you said it about the Ryan Jones one, that was my point. I said it was inconclusive and you said "just like the Strettle one". Just thought it was odd that you didn't include the Hogg try this time, after you said neither his nor Strettle's tries were actually tries. Obviously I am mistaken though. And I apologise for getting it wrong.

Standulstermen wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Oh look at that.. Top turnovers made by a team goes to Ireland..

Why don't we just stick to Ferris-SOB as our flankers eh?

Because the vast majority of those turnovers come from choke tackles.

I don't disagree with your 2nd sentence (although I would like us to try different options too) but these turnovers aren't the typical warburton/pocock ones.

SOB made at least 3 turnovers in the last game though stand. One of which led to Bowe's try.

Very surprised if That is the case Rory. He certainly made one I am not disputing his ability but I don think that is right

Standulstermen wrote:Very surprised if That is the case Rory. He certainly made one I am not disputing his ability but I don think that is right

Well I have been watching SOB carefully at 7 over the past few weeks, and though he was poor against Italy, he played very well against France. Put in a huge defensive shift and was a complete nuisance at the breakdown. I counted 3 turnovers, all in the first half (I think).

Morgannwg wrote:

miteyironpaw wrote:Yes Morgannwg, and nobody is trying to rewrite history or have the scores changed or claim a moral-victory or an almost-win or whatever, merely saying if you are using stats as a basis to compare the performance of a team, and we know one or more tries were wrongly disallowed, then those breaches of defence are still legitimate and a cause for concern for future Welsh performances. Unless you know for a fact that a referee is guaranteed to disallow at least one valid try against you per game.

mitey, you and your band of lowlife WUMs have been claiming this 'moral victory' ever since we beat you at your supposedly inpenetrable fortess Twickenham. And is an overlap a breach in defence?

Morgannwg, why yet another personal attack from you?

I merely pointing out that if one carelessly discards two controversially disallowed tries, at least one of which we all agree was actually a try; then Wales' defence goes from best equal in the competition to 3rd worst. That might be something worth focussing on. I'm trying to just have a conversation here, please don't hijack another thread with a flame war.

Interestingly England are yet to concede a forwards try, which says positive things about our set piece and fringe defenses.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:I know you said it about the Ryan Jones one, that was my point. I said it was inconclusive and you said "just like the Strettle one". Just thought it was odd that you didn't include the Hogg try this time, after you said neither his nor Strettle's tries were actually tries. Obviously I am mistaken though. And I apologise for getting it wrong.

I was saying it wasn't counted as a try as it wasn't awarded, therefore from a stat's pov not relevent. I have on this thread also said that it was a legit try. Apology accepted

mitey, Morgannwg does not do personal attacks, only facts.

If you are going to talk about defence stats then perhaps look at linebreaks and get back to us? (with providing a reference of course). Bearing in mind that doesn't include overlaps or Laidlaws try. For now though, fact is, we are joint best defence in the competition and the only unbeaten team.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Standulstermen wrote:Very surprised if That is the case Rory. He certainly made one I am not disputing his ability but I don think that is right

Well I have been watching SOB carefully at 7 over the past few weeks, and though he was poor against Italy, he played very well against France. Put in a huge defensive shift and was a complete nuisance at the breakdown. I counted 3 turnovers, all in the first half (I think).

He is credited with none on scrum.com (not that they are reliable) and I agree with you that he was excellent against France but I dont think he made 3 turnovers.

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:Interesting that people say Ireland's backrow is unbalanced and we need a natural 7 yet we have the most turnovers.

We also say that our attack is limited yet we have scored the most points and tries.

Wales haven't played Italy yet

Turnover stats are usually suspect. According to ESPN Warburton made 1 turnover the entire world cup. The reason that is definitely false about SOB is I could easily find you at least one of those turnovers, as it led to Bowe's try. I definitely saw him make 3 turnovers in that game however. I made sure I pointed it out to my friends, who aren't sure about SOB at 7 themselves.

miteyironpaw wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:

miteyironpaw wrote:Yes Morgannwg, and nobody is trying to rewrite history or have the scores changed or claim a moral-victory or an almost-win or whatever, merely saying if you are using stats as a basis to compare the performance of a team, and we know one or more tries were wrongly disallowed, then those breaches of defence are still legitimate and a cause for concern for future Welsh performances. Unless you know for a fact that a referee is guaranteed to disallow at least one valid try against you per game.

mitey, you and your band of lowlife WUMs have been claiming this 'moral victory' ever since we beat you at your supposedly inpenetrable fortess Twickenham. And is an overlap a breach in defence?

Morgannwg, why yet another personal attack from you?

I merely pointing out that if one carelessly discards two controversially disallowed tries, at least one of which we all agree was actually a try; then Wales' defence goes from best equal in the competition to 3rd worst. That might be something worth focussing on. I'm trying to just have a conversation here, please don't hijack another thread with a flame war.

Interestingly England are yet to concede a forwards try, which says positive things about our set piece and fringe defenses.

But mitey - nobodies 'carelessly discarding any tries - the tries were not given so weren't tries, just as the Ryan Jones one wasn't given so nobody on this thread is counting it for Wales tries scored.

However if you want to focus on try-scoring chances given to the opposition (ie defences breached) then it gets very subjective and you could count a lot more incidents for every team. Also while the Hogg try should have been given (and I haven't seen anyone say otherwise), 5 mins later Scotland scored a try after being in our 22 for most of the intermeaning time - which wouldn't have happened if the Hogg try had been scored (as we would have had a kick off, and both teams a chance to reset defensive lines). The Strettle 'try' was disallowed because it was inconclusive to the ref, linesman and TMO whether he had grounded it - and inconclusive to most fans - it doesn't matter if the ball touched the grass or not (I don't think it did) as the ref must be able to see it and see downward pressure - if he can't he can't give it. So he kept within the rules so it's hardly controversial.

Immaculately put Smirnoff.

Morgannwg wrote:mitey, Morgannwg does not do personal attacks, only facts.

If you are going to talk about defence stats then perhaps look at linebreaks and get back to us? (with providing a reference of course). Bearing in mind that doesn't include overlaps or Laidlaws try. For now though, fact is, we are joint best defence in the competition and the only unbeaten team.

Feel free to keep your head firmly planted in the sand then Morgannwg. MiteyIronPaw calls it as he sees it. You must be one of these people that believe crime is falling when people give up reporting crimes because the cut backs in the police force mean there are no free officers to take reports of crime.

Or unemployment is falling when the long term unemployed are taken out of the stats and put into a new category.

Or education policies are succeeding because exam results are going up.

Or everyone can see a GP within 48 hours because all appointments have to be made within 48 hours of a doctors visit.

just read Priest's post, mitey

Standulstermen wrote:
He is credited with none on scrum.com (not that they are reliable) and I agree with you that he was excellent against France but I dont think he made 3 turnovers.

I don't know how many he got but I can tell you that the match pack on scrum.com gives you turnovers conceded not turnovers won.

I did thanks dreamer, and he's wrong...

The purpose of analysing stats is to extrapolate and predict the future.

Let me ask you a question:

Imagine England played Wales.

England run through, around and over the Welsh defensive line all afternoon and cross the whitewash 20 times. Every single time, Tuilagi is the would-be scorer and he keeps dropping the ball in a ridiculous comedy of errors. Result : 0 tries scored.

Now, the stats say Wales conceded zero tries. Is there defense good? Should they worry about it? They didn't concede any tries, right?

So you seriously base all your analysis of the game on simple stats alone, you don't think teams go back and look at defensive problems such as line breaks etc? They just look at the tries conceded, and that's it, you honestly believe that?

The point is, we are discussing the number of actual tries concended in the stats, not the defensive line breaks etc. For what you are considering you need much more than simple try stats for analysis. This is the danger with stats, which is what I believe, people have been trying to point out to you.

Standulstermen wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Standulstermen wrote:Very surprised if That is the case Rory. He certainly made one I am not disputing his ability but I don think that is right

Well I have been watching SOB carefully at 7 over the past few weeks, and though he was poor against Italy, he played very well against France. Put in a huge defensive shift and was a complete nuisance at the breakdown. I counted 3 turnovers, all in the first half (I think).

He is credited with none on scrum.com (not that they are reliable) and I agree with you that he was excellent against France but I dont think he made 3 turnovers.

We're credited with 4 turnovers in the game, according to the Six Nations site itself. When you go look at ESPN..................!!!!


According to their tally men (and please, please, please correct me if I'm wrong in my reading) they have turn-overs by Ireland as follows:

2 by Kearney
1 by Earls
1 by Bowe
1 by D'arcy
1 by Trimble
1 by Sexton
1 by Murray
2 by O'Connell
2 by Heaslip

Staggering stat. Maybe I just don't know what a turn-over is when all along I thought I did. Someone clarify please as I'm tempted to see D'arcy given the 7 shirt based on those stats.

Oh I've just spotted asoreleftshoulder's comment. That explains it! *whew*

rugbydreamer wrote:So you seriously base all your analysis of the game on simple stats alone, you don't think teams go back and look at defensive problems such as line breaks etc? They just look at the tries conceded, and that's it, you honestly believe that?

The point is, we are discussing the number of actual tries concended in the stats, not the defensive line breaks etc. For what you are considering you need much more than simple try stats for analysis. This is the danger with stats, which is what I believe, people have been trying to point out to you.

No. I'm not basing anything on simple stats. It's you that's doing that. I'm looking beyond simple stats, and saying. What's the point in considering "tries awarded" as an indication of your defensive prowess when we ALL know more tries were legitimately scored and disallowed. Unless you take your referee with you to the game and know for sure he's going to disallow one try per game, then you need to consider more than just the simple stats.

There are many problems with this simplistic analysis of stats; mostly that the kind of free publically listed stats are complete and utter rubbish. But to be clinging on to the "we only conceded 3 tries so have a great defense" is wrong on many levels. The very first one, is that we all know for a fact Wales conceded more than 3 tries.

And don't patronise me.

Ok Mitey - but what is your objective when analysing - is it to analyse the facts? ie how many turnovers, tries and linebreaks won/committed. If so (which was the point of this thread) then you can't use hypotheticals or think of what should have happened.

Or is it to analyse the whole performance, and if so you can't isolate 2 incidents and ignore all others to then claim that 1 team has a much worse defence (in relation to the stats of tries conceded by the other teams).

You then need to look at opportunities given to the opposition and line breaks/overlaps conceded for every side in every game (ie like the England/Scotland game or the Wales/Scotland game).

But your saying Englands defence is good because they've only conceded 3 tries but on the other hand your saying Wales' defence isn't that good because they should have conceded lots more tries because their defence was breached.

There's two different measures there.

fine mitey, but we were all discussing just the stats provided, where Wales does have the best defence (if we were to look at line breaks against a defensive line etc, I'm sure it would be very different for all teams, but we don't have info on that, so how can we discuss it properly?)

No one is clinging on to anything mitey (strange choice of words), just commenting taht we've only had 3 tries conceded so far this tournament. Not sure what's wrong with that, it is better than any other team in the tournament, so what's the problem? The Hogg one should have been counted, but wasn't, and 4 tries still isn't bad.

Think you're creating a problem where there isn't one Mitey

No, I'm not doing that at all. I would for starters, never look at freely available stats on anything other than things they can't get wrong or can be readily verified. Tries scored, drop goals, restarts won, lineouts lost, crooked scrum feeds, penalties conceded.

Then it's matter of verifying those things. Step 1. Tries scored. Oh look! not true. We know we got away with a couple, what can we do about that? are there similarities between the ones scored and awarded and the ones scored and not awarded?

Secondly, in the context of the game it may be true that Scotand's first awarded try may not have been scored if the first disallowed try had been scored; but equally this also means that Welsh defense was peirced twice in a few minutes - which points to a bigger issue.

Next myth : line breaks. You don't need clean line breaks to score tries. So considered DEFENSE = 1 / ( line_breaks + tries conceded and awarded ) or whatever you are trying to do is just a complete waste of time.

But you know, if you want to be ostriches, then it's not going to materially affect anything, so feel free to keep believing everything is rosy.

rugbydreamer, just forget about him, for some reason this guy hates Wales/Welsh, I had a ticking off earlier from a fellow MOD so you might get one also if you get embroiled in an argument with him, for some reason he always turns threads into a Welsh slag fest and they then end up being taken off the site. Just walk away from this one, trust me.

Oh FFS, this isn't anti-Welsh, the argument would apply equally to any team who had conceded valid but not awarded tries.

You don't need to have a chip on your shoulder LD. Really you don't. The mods here are very good, if you got a ticking off maybe you just were being a bit over sensitive? and getting a bit personal when there was no need to?

Where have we said that everything's rosy, Mitey?

We're happy that officially we've only conceded 3 tries, nothing wrong with that, although we'd be even happier had it been 0 tries conceded.

It's a shame that you can't seem to like other fans being happy with how they're team are playing as honestly, the more you're protesting, that's more what it's starting to look like. Apologies if it isn't, but that's how you're coming across.

No Welsh fan I've come across thinks we're perfect. All the people I've come into contact with openly admit we've got a lot to improve on (including defence). I'm baffled you seem to be ignoring all the posts like that and just painting your own picture to be honest.

Dreamer, thanks for your amateur analysis. But trust me, I'm here in this thread merely to defend the world of reason and logic from invalid assumptions drawn carelessly from misleading statistics. It's a community service, and free. So feel free to ignore it, but please I don't need to be accused of being "anti-Welsh" for expressing an opinion on a point of logic.

LD - no harm in debating, no fear of it slipping into an argument

Just don't think he can grasp that we are looking at the stats at face value on this thread, didn't think that was difficult to see, but ah well. Twas only meant to be a bit of fun stats wise this thread, as has been commented by the Irish posters with the turnovers etc, it's very hard to find a site that has truly accurate stats anyways!

It's rosier than

miteyironpaw wrote:Oh FFS, this isn't anti-Welsh, the argument would apply equally to any team who had conceded valid but not awarded tries.

You don't need to have a chip on your shoulder LD. Really you don't. The mods here are very good, if you got a ticking off maybe you just were being a bit over sensitive? and getting a bit personal when there was no need to?

The ticking off was aimed at both of us mitey.

Mitey - it was friendly advice in how you're coming across on this forum. As you seem to be getting so annoyed as being perceived as being anti-Welsh, mayhaps you need to look at your posting style? There seems to be a large number of posters viewing you as being anti-welsh, the only one who isn't, is you

rugbydreamer wrote:LD - no harm in debating, no fear of it slipping into an argument

Just don't think he can grasp that we are looking at the stats at face value on this thread, didn't think that was difficult to see, but ah well. Twas only meant to be a bit of fun stats wise this thread, as has been commented by the Irish posters with the turnovers etc, it's very hard to find a site that has truly accurate stats anyways!

I can grasp RD that you're looking at them at face value (but thanks for being so patronising and talking about me in the third person).

I'm saying that looking at these stats at face value is folly and any conclusion drawn is invalid. So it's a waste of time. So why bother? That's all I'm saying. Can we accept this point and move on?

We all know stat's aren't the be all and end all of analysing a game, Mitey. We aren't pinning all our hopes on these stats, simply discussing them for what they are. Not sure why you have a problem with that.

And apologies, didn't mean to come across as patronising

rugbydreamer wrote:Mitey - it was friendly advice in how you're coming across on this forum. As you seem to be getting so annoyed as being perceived as being anti-Welsh, mayhaps you need to look at your posting style? There seems to be a large number of posters viewing you as being anti-welsh, the only one who isn't, is you

But the biggest correlation of all RD is tshat all the posters viewing me as being anti-Welsh are Welsh posters. So perhaps they are just being over-sensitive and confusing criticism of their arguments as criticism of themselves, or their country? In which case perhaps they should look at the thickness of their skins and the way they are chosing to interpret simple points of logic and reason rather than insisiting I only post cheerful and supportive facts about Wales? They're not children who need to be patronised surely?

I have seen posters from other nations accuse you of being anti-Welsh also, mitey, so am afraid that argument of yours falls flat on it's face

miteyironpaw wrote:Oh FFS, this isn't anti-Welsh, the argument would apply equally to any team who had conceded valid but not awarded tries.

You don't need to have a chip on your shoulder LD. Really you don't. The mods here are very good, if you got a ticking off maybe you just were being a bit over sensitive? and getting a bit personal when there was no need to?

So why aren't you applying this argument equally? Why aren't you applying it to how many times the French defence has gotten pierced or that Ireland have conceded an extra try because Ryan Jones was awarded a try (even though that was the right call and it wasn't a try as it was inconclusive).

Why are you applying one set of criteria to Wales and then a different set of criteria to other teams?

And also the Strettle, R Jones and Hogg tries weren't awarded by the ref which is all that matters - the R Jones and Strettle ones because it wasn't conclusive that they had grounded the ball - the Hogg try because the ref thought there was a knock on. These didn't count as tries (otherwise the scorelines would have been different) and so for an analysis of tries conceded these incidents wouldn't have any bearing.

But for an analysis of the effectiveness of a teams defence these incidents should definately be included but shouldn't be analysed in isolation, but together with other incidents, such as overlaps, line breaks, knock ons within 5 yards of the line ect. (it gets subjective but also indicated when a defence has been breached - particularly if the only thing stopping a try is an unforced error or knock on).

Without using an equal criteria for an argument you could argue anything - such as that the Moon is hotter than the Sun or anything.