The greatest evil in Tennis

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No it is not big fluffy balls, it is not doping, it is not slow courts, it is any particular long haired player. The greatest evil in tennis right now is a faction of extremist federer fans determined to ruin the game for everyone else and to denigrate every other great champion except Roger Federer. After the AO, we heard the chorus of a certain segment of fed fans who could not spout off enough about how bad the game was and how boring or doped up Roger's contemporaries are.

Federer is actually a likeable guy, a great champion who has done so much for the sport on and off the court. But not only on this site but on many others there is an extremist fed faction determined to ruin things for everyone else. If you are a contemporary champion you are either dull, doped up, cheating, or just plain crap. It is a sad state of affairs frankly because not only do they ruin debate on this site but they further an agenda of tearing down other people's favorite players. The funny thing is that Roger himself is a very gracious guy who routinely talks up many of his contemporaries. Instead of taking a page out of Roger's book the Fed extremist is determined in bringing down other people and raining on their parade.

I have been a fan of many teams and players involved in rivalries. In college I attended UCLA and enjoyed many big rivalry games with our rival the evil trojans of USC. Living in LA, i am determined and passionate fan of the Los Angeles Lakers and have gone to many rivalry games against the hated Boston Celtics. Despite these rivalries I have had great friends on both sides of the dividing line. By far the most annoying fans in all of sports and the most polarizing I have experienced are the fed extremists. And I am well aware that not all fed fans go to these extremes and are quite reasonable people. They have officially ruined my fed watching experience. In the past I could watch Roger and cheer for him, the guy has such a beautiful game. On this very site I have done very positive posts about FEd. But the fed extremist and their ludicrous contrafactual arguments have officially turned me on Roger.

Here is my new position:

Anyone, and I mean anyone (yes think of the best most evil possible person in history) v. Federer. I root for anyone. Regardless of how loathsome or awful that person is, if he is playing tennis against federer I want him to win. At this point I hope that someone can quickly get to 16 slams, preferrably a counterpuncher with loopy shots just to unseat fed as goat.

So go John Isner, please kick his a**. It probably won't happen. But my favorite player is Djokovic and whoever is playing Roger.

In away I myself am sad that my fed watching experience has been ruined by a group of negative haters who will do whatever possible to ruin it for you. But well I can't help it.

I am a Novak fan Veejay, that is why I take offense to the idea that Novak or anyone else are winning because of unfairly slowed conditions, which you yourself agree has never seemed to hurt federer, just like it didn't last night. The reason I mention Nadal more than Novak is because 90 percent of the crap is directed that way. Believe me, if I was on an internet site and it was Rafa fans saying how Roger is shanky, or a weak era chump, and a cheater I would have a problem with that as well. And would defend him just as vehemently if he was continually character assassinated.

I don't want to get into the details of the PED thing, I have made my position clear and so have you. If I see reports of a dirty test then that is a different matter. But unless I see those test reports, I am not going to convict Nadal or any other player. I need more info to fairly name names.

emancipator wrote:Hello Socal,

I do sympathise with you. After Nole won AUS it must of been disheartening to hear constant talk about the slow conditions and the physicality. It was a great victory which Nole won; he left everything and more out on the court that day. It was a titanic effort and deserves huge praise. I'll admit that it's not my brand of tennis but I think that is more down to the opponent. Nole has to play that way to best Nadal; it's a credit to him that he can do so. We also know that he can ruthlessly dismantle opponents with attacking shot making.



emancipator

Yes, that is part of the reason why I got a little bent out of shape. It was great and historic win and all a certain group of posters wanted to do was bash the competitors and the quality of the match, which I felt and a majority of fans felt was great. You are entitled to your opinion of course and your preference of style. But it is the continual dead horse beating that just wears on someone. I love the last sentence of your post, because I think if people give credit where credit is due it would be a much more ideal type of discussion. Fed is great, I have no problem in praising him when he deserves it or criticizing when he deserves it. Same for any player. Yet when it seems like people are just hunting for any reason to turn this whole site into 24 hour bash a thon of a player it gets dull and wears on you. Good post emancipator.

socal1976 wrote:I am a Novak fan Veejay, that is why I take offense to the idea that Novak or anyone else are winning because of unfairly slowed conditions, which you yourself agree has never seemed to hurt federer, just like it didn't last night. The reason I mention Nadal more than Novak is because 90 percent of the crap is directed that way. Believe me, if I was on an internet site and it was Rafa fans saying how Roger is shanky, or a weak era chump, and a cheater I would have a problem with that as well. And would defend him just as vehemently if he was continually character assassinated.

I don't want to get into the details of the PED thing, I have made my position clear and so have you. If I see reports of a dirty test then that is a different matter. But unless I see those test reports, I am not going to convict Nadal or any other player. I need more info to fairly name names.

I don't for a minute believe that
Someone who claims they will always support whoever Roger faces will never defend him "vehemently if he was continually character assassinated" I have yet to even witness you defend Roger let alone do the above
All you do is attack his fans and hold him responsible for their actions

Well Veejay, the reason you have never seen that side of me is because there is not a single, not one Nadal fan who regularly posts here who continually tries to bash Federer over and over and over again in every single thread and in every single comment.

I will give you one example. I did a list of the greatest players of the modern era, SA put Roger at #10, I put Roger at #1. I told SA that he was damaging his credibility with such a biased view of Roger's credentials. You haven't been on this site for very long, and I have on numerous occassions praised Fed, his performance and his game.


But at this point, you are right my feelings for Roger have been tainted. Rooting for someone is emotional, and right now I find it very hard to watch a fed match and not want the other guy to win.

socal1976 wrote:Well Veejay, the reason you have never seen that side of me is because there is not a single, not one Nadal fan who regularly posts here who continually tries to bash Federer over and over and over again in every single thread and in every single comment.

I will give you one example. I did a list of the greatest players of the modern era, SA put Roger at #10, I put Roger at #1. I told SA that he was damaging his credibility with such a biased view of Roger's credentials. You haven't been on this site for very long, and I have on numerous occassions praised Fed, his performance and his game.


But at this point, you are right my feelings for Roger have been tainted. Rooting for someone is emotional, and right now I find it very hard to watch a fed match and not want the other guy to win.

You cant hold Federer accountable for what his fans do and allow that to change your opinion of him
If you truly liked Roger nothing anyone else does would affect that
My dislike of Nadal has nothing to do with what Amritia says or does,just like I cant blame Amritia for anything Nadal does

Like I said, it isn't like I blame Federer for a faction of his fans online. Obviously, he isn't responsible. However, when watching tennis your gut wants someone to win and someone to lose, in Fed matches I have found myself recently not being able to root for the guy. And it has gotten worse and worse with my participation on this site. I actually give Fed a lot of credit for lifting tennis out of a bit of a doldrums period.

socal1976 wrote:Like I said, it isn't like I blame Federer for a faction of his fans online. Obviously, he isn't responsible. However, when watching tennis your gut wants someone to win and someone to lose, in Fed matches I have found myself recently not being able to root for the guy. And it has gotten worse and worse with my participation on this site. I actually give Fed a lot of credit for lifting tennis out of a bit of a doldrums period.

If you cannot even root for the guy how are you ever going to defend him "vehemently if he was continually character assassinated"?

Two totally different things. I would defend him logically from the head, rooting is from the heart. I have little desire to cheer for the guy. If someone came in here and wrongly attacked him with slanderous or weak logic I would expose it and attack. Justice is justice, rooting for someone is different. I dislike many of the posts by people on this site but I have continually spoken out against them being moderated or deleted.

socal1976 wrote:Two totally different things. I would defend him logically from the head, rooting is from the heart. I have little desire to cheer for the guy. If someone came in here and wrongly attacked him with slanderous or weak logic I would expose it and attack. Justice is justice, rooting for someone is different. I dislike many of the posts by people on this site but I have continually spoken out against them being moderated or deleted.

If you would defend him you'd root for him,you wouldn't defend someone you cant root for,Im not buying it
Why cant you defend someone you claim to have nothing against?
Just be honest and say you don't like the guy,don't beat around the bush to try and safe face.Youre losing the little credible you have left

Veejay, I used to practice criminal law, I had no problem doing my constitutional duty and separating my head from my heart and defending my clients. Although frankly I couldn't stand most of them. You don't have to buy it, if what I say doesn't convince you then well nothing much I can do to change that belief. But you must admit, you don't have the opportunity to even test this theory because we have yet to see anyone come in and repetively attack federer with weak or slanderous attacks. I mean which active Nadal fan does that? Does Amrit? No, does Lydian? No. And that is it we have 2 active Nadal fans neither of whom go to the extremes of the Nadal haters.

socal1976 wrote:Veejay, I used to practice criminal law, I had no problem doing my constitutional duty and separating my head from my heart and defending my clients. Although frankly I couldn't stand most of them. You don't have to buy it, if what I say doesn't convince you then well nothing much I can do to change that belief. But you must admit, you don't have the opportunity to even test this theory because we have yet to see anyone come in and repetively attack federer with weak or slanderous attacks. I mean which active Nadal fan does that? Does Amrit? No, does Lydian? No. And that is it we have 2 active Nadal fans neither of whom go to the extremes of the Nadal haters.

Yo attack Federer through the comment his fans make and I don't buy it came I have yet to see you really defend Federer without it being some backhanded way
Either way I don't care,but I don't believe someone who would root for the most evil person in history and would do that in spite over Federer
For someone who practices law,you don't make much logical sense

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amritia3ee wrote:The mods should do something

Yes the standards should be the same. IF nadal bashing (taking his interviews out of context, veiled reference to PEDs, use of terms like Nadull and basic human courtesy when referring to a 10 time grandslam champion and one of all time tennis greats) is okay, then you cannot really dismiss/censor similar comments about other players including Federer.

Its not ok,why aren't we allow our freedom of speech when it comes to Nadal but Socal is allowed to voice his/her opinions about Fed and his fans?

I am not for curtailing freedom of speech/opinion. The argument is about where to draw the line between excessive venom spewing against Nadal. If we are willing to accommodate that as part of free speech, I am okay with that as long as the same rule applies for every other player.

Are you sure about the rules things. I don't see the same rules applies to every player.

Not sure if I follow you / or if you were trying to be sarcastic. Maybe I should rephrase the term "same rule". What I meant to say was we should also get used to seeing similarly venomous articles against Nadal's rivals.

I was just trying to be sarcastic about following the "rules", but maybe my attempt was bad .

Can you clearly say what do you mean by venomous articles? Can you also give some points here and also tell how do they qualify to be called "venomous"?

The fact that you ask me to point out where you can find hatred against Nadal on 606v2 tells me that we stand on opposite ends of the spectrum. I would point them out to you but I already know you would not see them even though they are there. Peace.

Why do you think there would be hatred against Nadal? And how did you conclude it was hatred? Why would anyone hate him when they don't even know him in person? Can you please tell this?