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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed 21 Mar 2012, 1:18 pm

HEALTH WARNING: IF YOU DON'T LIKE STATS, THEN DO NOT READ ON

As promised, I've crunched thru the team/player statistics from espnscrum.com and compiled them for individual players this time (for team stats, pls go to previous thread: https://www.606v2.com/t26301-don-t-read-any-further-if-you-don-t-like-stats-6ns-team-summary). As noted before, any transcription or manipulation errors are mine and mine alone - if you spot one/some, I'd be grateful if you'd point them out and I will endeavour to correct my error(s). I've had to make some assumptions regarding players playing in more than one position throughout the championship and also regarding the treatment of bench players. For the sake of simplicity, I have put a player where I think they fit best - so, for example, Sean Lamont appeared 3 times in the centre for Scotland and twice on the wing, but he is an out&out winger to me, so he will appear among the other wingers for comparison purposes. For all players, I report total stats in the first row and averages in the second - for the computation of averages, if a player appeared from the bench, I have awarded 0.5 match time, whereas a player starting the match is always awarded 1 match time, regardless of whether they are substituted. I suspect that this will have some minor impact on averages, but hopefully not too much (and it made things a damn sight easier for me!). Most of my comments pertain to totals rather than averages.

Key: T/A = Tries/Try Assists, Pts = Points scored, K/P/R = Kick/Pass/Run, MR = Metres Run with ball, CB = Clean Breaks, DB = Defenders Beaten, OL = Offloads, TO = Turnovers, Tma/Tmi = Tackles made/missed, Lw/Ls =Lineouts won on throw/lineouts stolen on oppo throw, Pen = Penalties conceded, & Y/R = Yellow/Red cards

First up is the front row union, props and then hookers (apologies for not segregating props into looseheads and tightheads, but I do have to pretend to do some work occasionally!).

PROPS
GamesNameTAPtsKPRMRCBDBOLTOTmaTmiLwLsPenYR
5AJones0000682000127010500
#Average00001.21.60.40000.25.400.20100
1Attoub0000161300003100100
#Average0000161300003100100
3Castrogiovanni000022516000111211300
#Average00000.78.35.30000.33.70.70.30.3100
3.5Cittadini000011428000232110300
#Average00000.3480000.69.10.30.300.900
5Cole000031512000026300200
#Average00000.632.400005.20.6000.400
5Corbisiero000011726040138200300
#Average00000.23.45.200.800.27.60.4000.600
2.5Court105001100017100200
#Average0.402000.40.40000.42.80.4000.800
4.5Cross000022125010018000500
#Average00000.44.75.600.20040001.100
3Debaty000011219020016200200
#Average00000.346.300.7005.30.7000.700
1Gill0000091500006000300
#Average0000091500006000300
5Healy000153646010227100600
#Average0000.217.29.200.200.45.40.2001.200
4Jacobsen0000102514022223121600
#Average00002.56.253.500.50.50.55.750.250.50.251.500
1.5James000020000005000000
#Average00001.30000003.3000000
4Jenkins000117138001334400610
#Average0000.254.253.252000.250.758.51001.50.250
1Kalman000043000116000200
#Average000043000116000200
4Lo Cicero000001925000223200900
#Average000004.756.250000.55.750.5002.2500
4Mas00008136003130200200
#Average000023.251.5000.750.257.50.5000.500
2Murray0000151000010000000
#Average00000.52.50.500005000000
4.5Poux000001112001016200200
#Average000002.42.7000.203.60.4000.400
1Rizzo000001200018000200
#Average000001200018000200
5Ross0000263000027310100
#Average00000.41.20.600005.40.60.200.200
1Staibano000003000005100000
#Average000003000005100000
2.5Stevens000015200008000200
#Average00000.420.800003.20000.800
1Welsh000012100006200000
#Average000012100006200000

So what can we read into all these numbers? Most passes were completed by Gethin Jenkins, not surprising given that he performs like an extra backrow link forward, and Chunk Jacobsen (symptomatic of Scotland's desire to keep the ball in play). Cian Healy, Martin Castrogiovanni and Chunk carried the most number of times, but the most metres were gained by Healy and Cittadini. Not suprisingly for the front row, no-one made any clean breaks, but Alex Corbisiero beat an impressive 4 defenders. Nicolas Mas and Chunk topped the offload charts, while Jenkins, Cittadini, Healy, Jacobsen and Lo Cicero shared tunrover conceded honours (naughty boys). Jenkins redeems himself with excellent tackles made stats, even if he also topped the tackles missed chart. Lo Cicero conceded the most penalties, perhaps surprising for an Italian scrummage that never seemed in trouble, with Healy, Jacobsen and Jenkins in second place. Makes sense that most of the names mentioned are loosies rather than tightheads, and perhaps slightly odd that my personal front row star of the 6Ns, Adam Jones, doesn't feature - quietly good at everything, no weaknesses, is my theory;)


HOOKERS
GamesNameTAPtsKPRMRCBDBOLTOTmaTmiLwLsPenYR
2Bennett0000779000020200000
#Average00003.53.54.5000010100000
5Best2010162843133429300300
#Average0.4020.21.25.68.60.20.60.60.85.80.6000.600
2Cronin0000131112007100100
#Average00000.51.55.50.51003.50.5000.500
2.5d'Apice0000192102128101000
#Average00000.43.68.400.80.40.83.20.400.4000
5Ford000064877221738600300
#Average00001.29.615.40.40.40.21.47.61.2000.600
4Ghiraldini0000101849022239201000
#Average00002.54.512.2500.50.50.59.750.500.25000
5Hartley000191510023242700300
#Average0000.21.83200.40.60.48.41.4000.600
1.5Lawson000054000106000000
#Average00003.32.70000.704000000
1Mears000000000001000000
#Average000000000001000000
1Ongaro0000061300003000000
#Average0000061300003000000
2.5Owens000061413010019200200
#Average00002.45.65.200.4007.60.8000.800
2Rees0000416301115000100
#Average0000281.500.50.50.52.50000.500
3.5Servat000082146113023200000
#Average00002.3613.10.30.30.906.60.600000
4Szarzewski000092451012631300500
#Average00002.25612.7500.250.51.57.750.75001.2500
3Webber000022100006000100
#Average00000.70.70.33000020000.300

Among the hooking fraternity, mention must first go to Rory Best for his two tries. Most passes were made by Ghiraldini and Dylan Hartley, while Ross Ford dominated the runs stats with Best in a distant second. Unsurprisingly, Ford dominates the metres carried column on 77, with Szarzewski in second place some way behind. Hookers aren't expected to make clean breaks, but Ford managed that twice too, perhaps down to his backrow heritage. In terms of defenders beaten, honours were fairly evenly split between Best, Cronin, d'Apice, Ford, Ghiraldini and Hartley, with Best nd Hartley making the most offloads. Ford conceded an alarming 7 turnovers, wuth Szarzewski in second and Best in third. Tackle kings were Hartley, Ghiraldini and Ford, altho Hartley and Ford will be kicking themselves that they missed a fair few too. Best, Ford and Hartley sit on the naughty step for most penalties conceded. Unfortunately, the way that espnscrum display their players stats for lineouts illustrates catches rather than throwing, but we know from yesterday's team stats that Scotland, Italy and England shared top billing for lineout success with Ireland surprisingly in the rear.


Hope you find them interesting, even if they only tell a small part of the story. More positions to follow shortly OK

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Wed 21 Mar 2012, 1:22 pm

I don't really have anything to contribute, but I feel I should say good articles As.
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Post by Barney McGrew did it Wed 21 Mar 2012, 1:35 pm

Pleasantly surprised with Hartley's stats tbh - thought he was a bit toothless in the tackle area though. As for penalties conceded - he always did like a bit of a nibble (sorry, niggle) at the oppo.
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Post by Don Alfonso Wed 21 Mar 2012, 1:39 pm

So the only front rowers to score any tries were Ireland players (both Ulster, in fact). But what we'rr ememebr is them getting handed their derrieres by England. Pity.

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Post by Guest Wed 21 Mar 2012, 1:41 pm

I enjoyed reading that As, cheers OK

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed 21 Mar 2012, 1:50 pm

Barney McGrew did it wrote:Pleasantly surprised with Hartley's stats tbh - thought he was a bit toothless in the tackle area though. As for penalties conceded - he always did like a bit of a nibble (sorry, niggle) at the oppo.
Laugh Going on stats alone, I'd be taking Best, Ford and Hartley for Lions if they were selected today, but I've no doubt that the Welsh boys (Owens and Rees, in particular) will be looking to stake a claim

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed 21 Mar 2012, 1:51 pm

Don Alfonso wrote:So the only front rowers to score any tries were Ireland players (both Ulster, in fact). But what we'rr ememebr is them getting handed their derrieres by England. Pity.
Don, I think that's inevitable, most punters will remember the most recent games the clearest and discount the earlier games in the championship - classic narrow framing bias

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Post by Hound_of_Harrow Wed 21 Mar 2012, 2:00 pm

What As said. Or, you're only as good as your last game.

Dan Cole said he wanted revenge for last year at Lansdowne, when the first scrum really set the tone. Ireland were up against a very fired up front row this time.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 21 Mar 2012, 2:22 pm

Cheers for the effort that's gone in there As.

Are there no scrummaging stats? All the running, passing and beating defenders is gloss for a prop, what counts is 'can they scrummage?'.

You don't see proper props like Budgie running around unless it's to get to the the scrum! Wink
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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed 21 Mar 2012, 2:35 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Cheers for the effort that's gone in there As.

Are there no scrummaging stats? All the running, passing and beating defenders is gloss for a prop, what counts is 'can they scrummage?'.

You don't see proper props like Budgie running around unless it's to get to the the scrum! Wink
Laugh Budgie = legend Chief

Sadly, no scrummaging stats at individual level, but you can deduce what was going on from yesterday's team stats

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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 21 Mar 2012, 5:29 pm

Sure Decaln Kidney's been on the phone to Budgie last night checking if he's got an Irish granny.
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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Wed 21 Mar 2012, 6:23 pm

Pete, believe it or not, they may be after his front row colleague, that well-known Maori, Hoani Tui, who apparently did have an Irish grandfather! Chief

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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 21 Mar 2012, 6:25 pm

Laugh that's mental.

Hoani O'Tui, that's got a great ring to it! Laugh
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Post by Notch Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:04 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Don Alfonso wrote:So the only front rowers to score any tries were Ireland players (both Ulster, in fact). But what we'rr ememebr is them getting handed their derrieres by England. Pity.
Don, I think that's inevitable, most punters will remember the most recent games the clearest and discount the earlier games in the championship - classic narrow framing bias

Unfortunately try-scoring prowess comes second to actual scrummaging Crying or Very sad

But our scrum was fine when it was any combination of Healy/Court at loosehead, Best/Cronin at hooker and Ross at tighthead. Just need more depth, more options and we'll eventually be ok. ie. More than one tighthead in the country.

I'm really pleased with how Rory Best has been playing in green for the last year. He has a real chance of becoming a Lions tourist imo.
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Post by Notch Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:04 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Pete, believe it or not, they may be after his front row colleague, that well-known Maori, Hoani Tui, who apparently did have an Irish grandfather! Chief

Bring him on. Desperation, I embrace it.
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Post by pete (buachaill on eirne) Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:14 pm

Great work ASAB, very thorough

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Post by yappysnap Thu 22 Mar 2012, 1:06 pm

Great work ASBO,

I'm sure I remember Cole making a turn over in the Scots/italy game though...

Also I also thought hookers were meant to be a lot more dynamic then props, but looking at those it's all pretty even. So are props getting a lot more dynamic, or are the hookers that are out there not as good as they should be?

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Post by HongKongCherry Thu 22 Mar 2012, 1:13 pm

I'm late coming to these threads, but outstanding work ASBO OK

The mods should give you a badge announcing you as the official 606v2 stato!

Having been a prop this discussion was always going to appeal to me most, however, I would say the only stat that really matters is penalties conceeded. Lo Cicero comes in top with 9 - clearly there is no guarantee these were all from scrums, but certainly most are likely to have come from there. As to the other stats, quite frankly no prop should be involved in gaining metres or offloads and we're too slow to tackle!
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Post by stlowe Thu 22 Mar 2012, 5:44 pm

yappysnap wrote:I'm sure I remember Cole making a turn over in the Scots/italy game though...

The turnover stats above are conceded, not won, less is better.

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 22 Mar 2012, 5:50 pm

Indeed, St Lowe, my comments have tried to reflect that TO and Pen stats, for example, are bad things to be mentioned for! OK

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