Exchange - a - WUM

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I just spent an amusing few minutes browsing the ' Don't be a one section hermit ' thread, was delighted to see that the fame of our favourite eccentric, the redoubtable and inimitable D4, has spread beyond our borders. He now enjoys notoriety and affection - in equal measure , in the sunnier climes of the tennis forum, and is also getting a foothold with the folks at the rugby league and football sections. Of particular note is the number of Chelsea supporters who now wish Ancelotti to spend some of his master's roubles in tempting Manny Pacquiao to operate in centre midfield for Chelsea next season, and how some are calling for Manny to be given a wild card entry into the American Open at Flushing Meadow at the end of this year. Manny will be seeded with Ilie Nastase, Rod Laver, John McEnroe and Bjorn Borg in his side of the draw. At the special request of Freddie Roach it has also been agreed that all players will play left handed except, of course, Laver and McEnroe.

Anyway, back to the point.

I expect you'll all remember that, as kids, there was a ' school exchange ' system in operation. I remember my sister exchanged with a French girl, name of Dubost, and as a healthy seven year old I was most disappointed to find out that the exchange was only temporary. I would have happily surrendered my sister in order that I could live with Mademoiselle Dubost, who seemed to me to be every schoolboy's dream. Sadly, showering her with Liquorice Allsorts and copies of Ring magazine were to no avail, and my passion remained unrequited. Anyway, she came to live with us for a while, and my sister later toddled off to France to acquaint herself with the French language and snails. All very cultural and to everybody's benefit.

I haven't run this by the admin fellas yet, but I thought it might be fun to operate an ' Exchange - a - WUM ' system here at 606v2. It would work like this :

Every month, each forum has a poll in which members vote for ' WUM - of - the - month, ' with the understanding that each elected WUM cannot serve consecutive terms. He CAN be re - elected, but only after a period of three months. Said WUM would then be required to surrender his passport for ONE WEEK, during which he practises his trade at another forum. We, in turn, enjoy the company of a WUM from another forum during the same period. Imagine, if you will, the joy to be derived when, amidst the tedium of ' Who had the best jab in history ? ' we can also sample fare along the lines of ' Federer is a ducker - still won't play Rafa, ' or ' Gooners are chokers, ' and perhaps even the strange phenomenon by which Time runs at a different speed at Old Trafford when Manchester United aren't winning. Being as we are, twenty first century progressive chaps and ladies, multi - culturalism should be reflected in the forum, in my opinion. I can already imagine how, a few short months from now, we'll be waxing lyrical about the topspin which Manny applies to his right hook, the footwork of Stephen Hendry, the best ' cuts ' man in golf, the stamina of Eric Bristow and the benefits of modern nutrition and training methods enjoyed by today's cricket umpires.

' Exchange - a - WUM ' makes all this possible. What say you ?

D4 I respect you as a poster seems a pleasant chap, always talks boxing, but even I find the topic of Pacquiao testing my patience and I'm one of his biggest fans, its getting to the point where genuine Manny fans on here whom I'm sure would love to see spank Floyd are actually beginning to shift corners, just for the simple fact they'd love to log on and ram down your throat..

I wouldn't be one of those but just an opinion.

Cheers

Rodders

His 2 threads have 1,000 comments between them so people must be interested.

Scottrf wrote:His 2 threads have 1,000 comments between them so people must be interested.

Or something.

I even find when I try and write on a different topic, some posters want to bring it back to the Mayweather vs Pacquiao debate.

D4thincarnation wrote:I even find when I try and write on a different topic, some posters want to bring it back to the Mayweather vs Pacquiao debate.

Perish the thought that someone should segue a discussion into Manny and Floyd, eh ?

D4thincarnation wrote:I even find when I try and write on a different topic, some posters want to bring it back to the Mayweather vs Pacquiao debate.

Probably element of truth mate, I'm just frankly bored of the topic now, as Floyd fans will make the excuses and Manny vice versa.

Cheers

Rodders

It has gotten to the point now where plenty of people post with the intention of winding D4 up, then cry foul when he responds. It's all a bit silly really.

If a genie popped up out of a lamp and gave me three wishes, I genuinely would waste one of them to wish for Manny and Mayweather to finally fight and for there to be a clean win for one of them with no controversy.

How many of those 1000 replies are people telling him to be quiet and stop repeating the same old pony?

samevans1 wrote:How many of those 1000 replies are people telling him to be quiet and stop repeating the same old pony?

If he was a WUM, wouldn't a reaction be just what he was after?

I think he might be Blofeld style criminal genius; whose entire purpose is to make people dislike/hate Pacquiao; because his real favourite fighter is Mayweather!

wow_junky wrote:It has gotten to the point now where plenty of people post with the intention of winding D4 up, then cry foul when he responds. It's all a bit silly really.

Just to be serious for a moment, wow_ junky, it probably HAS got to that point.

However, the situation is borne of the fact that sensible debate concerning Manny and Floyd has become a no go area. Everybody who attempts to discuss these two knows in advance that he is going to be confronted with the same old nonsense and propaganda, much of which has zero to do with their attributes as fighters.

Inconsistency, moving goalposts, unfounded allegations, personal criticisms of Mayweather, etc., etc., have made any debate concerning the two best fighters on the planet all but impossible.

If we would ALL agree to a fresh start and open, honest and consistent debate we'd all benefit, but it takes agreement by ALL parties to achieve this.

Union Cane wrote:

BALTIMORA wrote:

oxring wrote:Truss gets my vote - to the wrestling thread. Where he can discuss whether his thighs are in fact, bigger than the Rock's.

You mean 'wrassling'..?

'WRASSLING', surely...

Come now, everyon eknows it's WRASSLIN' (no 'g' at the end...ya dumb hillbillies)

Think that is the issue for me Windy, has reached a point where the two greatest fighters on the planet, weight jumping and catchweights are all off limits because people know how the debate will degenerate.

A boxing forum where people are loath to discuss the best fighters in the world cannot be a healthy place.

rowley wrote:Think that is the issue for me Windy, has reached a point where the two greatest fighters on the planet, weight jumping and catchweights are all off limits because people know how the debate will degenerate.

A boxing forum where people are loath to discuss the best fighters in the world cannot be a healthy place.

Bang on, jeff.

Scottrf wrote:His 2 threads have 1,000 comments between them so people must be interested.

You have read the majority of those comments haven't you?
Over 300 of them were most of us writing incoherent nonsense that had no relevance to anything, very rarely does anyone actually debate the subject any more, long may it continue

HumanWindmill wrote:

rowley wrote:Think that is the issue for me Windy, has reached a point where the two greatest fighters on the planet, weight jumping and catchweights are all off limits because people know how the debate will degenerate.

A boxing forum where people are loath to discuss the best fighters in the world cannot be a healthy place.

Bang on, jeff.

Well, D4 bangs on quite a bit so if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A83104724

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A83008613

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A83027144

These 3 articles were discussed on 606.

None of the tired old rhetoric we see on here.

If posted the same articles on here word for word, I can guarantee that people would take offense to them and they would go down an argumentative road.

HumanWindmill wrote:

wow_junky wrote:It has gotten to the point now where plenty of people post with the intention of winding D4 up, then cry foul when he responds. It's all a bit silly really.

Just to be serious for a moment, wow_ junky, it probably HAS got to that point.

However, the situation is borne of the fact that sensible debate concerning Manny and Floyd has become a no go area. Everybody who attempts to discuss these two knows in advance that he is going to be confronted with the same old nonsense and propaganda, much of which has zero to do with their attributes as fighters.

Inconsistency, moving goalposts, unfounded allegations, personal criticisms of Mayweather, etc., etc., have made any debate concerning the two best fighters on the planet all but impossible.

If we would ALL agree to a fresh start and open, honest and consistent debate we'd all benefit, but it takes agreement by ALL parties to achieve this.

I know D4 has his un-waivering opinions, but even when I try to bring sensible debate to the subject I get equally ridiculous rebuttals back from the "Floyd side". At least D4 is only 1 person and can be ignored (I find it strange that so many people feel the need to respond to his often ridiculous claims!), but on the other you have quite a few people who are even more ridiculous in their arguments against Pacquiao, and when confronted with a decent argument they either ignore it or continue to roll out the PED, weight drained, passed it, catchweight arguments...

A clean slate would be good, but people would have to accept that D4 is obviously a massive Pac fan and take his opinions with a pinch of salt and not get so wound up.

What the new forum needs Dave is a Peter Jackson article, think if people are introduced to the majesty and genius of the Black Prince their appetite to discuss those who must not be named will soon abate.

Most threads consist of something like this:

D4: Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter of all time, he's one of the best looking Flip you've ever seen, he's one of the greatest singers of all times...

Everyone else: Shut up D4.

D4: Mayweather is a ducker. Manny is the best fighter ever, he is a caring and sharing human being with a lovely little beard...


Everyone else: You are a tool.

Etc etc.

It does grind down even the most sane and sensible of posters after a while.

Do you know what the big difference is?

The Mighty Atom wrote:Do you know what the big difference is?

That one side thinks they are winning the debate when the other is pulling their strings?

D4, it's because everyone thinks you're annoying, unobjective and ignorant.

If Windy posted one of them he'd probably get a half decent debate, which speaks volumes for how people perceive you and your obsessive "views"

Scottrf wrote:

The Mighty Atom wrote:Do you know what the big difference is?

That one side thinks they are winning the debate when the other is pulling their strings?

That sums it up pretty well!

D4 I like you - I really do. You're a good sport, and jousting with you can be fun. However, I KNOW your tactics and I KNOW how you push buttons. It's all very insidious, subtle and pretty clever, and in small doses it's healthy.

However,

NOTHING is healthy when fair and open discussion about two of the greatest talents in modern boxing is made impossible by Goebbels - esque propaganda and rhetoric.

PLEASE consider the comfort and pleasures of other users who would like to HONESTLY debate the merits of Floyd and Manny.

Thank you.

The difference is V2 has D4 and 606 hasn't

rowley wrote:What the new forum needs Dave is a Peter Jackson article, think if people are introduced to the majesty and genius of the Black Prince their appetite to discuss those who must not be named will soon abate.

I totally agree Jeff but my fear is that, in amongst the backbiting and mudslinging caused by the ever present Manny/Floyd furore, the truly great articles (and by virtue of the subject matter, my article would surely fall into that catagory no matter how poorly written) will get lost in the mire.

oxring wrote:Truss gets my vote - to the wrestling thread. Where he can discuss whether his thighs are in fact, bigger than the Rock's.

Or whether Manny would have knocked the Big Show quicker than Mayweather did.

D4thincarnation wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A83104724

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A83008613

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A83027144

These 3 articles were discussed on 606.

None of the tired old rhetoric we see on here.

If posted the same articles on here word for word, I can guarantee that people would take offense to them and they would go down an argumentative road.

They also managed a staggering 28 comments between them!

D4thincarnation wrote:

King Beer wrote:

oxring wrote:Truss gets my vote - to the wrestling thread. Where he can discuss whether his thighs are in fact, bigger than the Rock's.

Or whether Manny would have knocked the Big Show quicker than Mayweather did.

Pacquiao would not have had to cheat and use illegal equipment :facepalm:

Hook............line.....

Do you really have nothing else better today then create something as lame as this?

If you could see me now you'd be watching me shake my head at you with dissapointment!

No1Jonesy wrote:Do you really have nothing else better today then create something as lame as this?

If you could see me now you'd be watching me shake my head at you with dissapointment!

I had my reasons, No1Jonesy.

HumanWindmill wrote:

No1Jonesy wrote:Do you really have nothing else better today then create something as lame as this?

If you could see me now you'd be watching me shake my head at you with dissapointment!

I had my reasons, No1Jonesy.

Care to elaborate on what could have drove you to something like this? dont want to be pedantic but it is pretty childish

No1Jonesy wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

No1Jonesy wrote:Do you really have nothing else better today then create something as lame as this?

If you could see me now you'd be watching me shake my head at you with dissapointment!

I had my reasons, No1Jonesy.

Care to elaborate on what could have drove you to something like this? dont want to be pedantic but it is pretty childish

Can I change my nomination to Jonesy?

No1Jonesy wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

No1Jonesy wrote:Do you really have nothing else better today then create something as lame as this?

If you could see me now you'd be watching me shake my head at you with dissapointment!

I had my reasons, No1Jonesy.

Care to elaborate on what could have drove you to something like this? dont want to be pedantic but it is pretty childish

Well, maybe you should reserve judgement until you know the reasons.

Things have been getting very heated here recently and tempers have flared. It seemed to me that if we could open up a ' silly ' thread about WUMMING folks might enter into the spirit of it, lighten up a bit, have a chance to laugh at the recent punch ups instead of letting them escalate, and leave the rest of the serious threads unscathed.

Whether it works or not, only time will tell, but the thread was created for the good of all who use the forum, and in appreciation of the fact that we HAVE had some unpleasantness, lately.

To be fair, Windy is one of the most reasonable and genteel posters on here. It is not him who is the problem...

Nice compliment, sam.

Thank you.

samevans1 wrote:To be fair, Windy is one of the most reasonable and genteel posters on here. It is not him who is the problem...

You say that, but tape over Gardener's Question Time and watch him go ballistic

DAVE667 wrote:

samevans1 wrote:To be fair, Windy is one of the most reasonable and genteel posters on here. It is not him who is the problem...

You say that, but tape over Gardener's Question Time and watch him go ballistic

Haha !

We all have limits, mate.

Haha, I'm having that one Dave!

[quote "Just as long as they don't send us Davidemore.Bromance."]

Am sure I was not alone in being a big Davidemore fan. He became quite post-modern.He also wrote poems.Poems, yes, that contained the word "bromance" ,but still...and his latter aliases,too...!

Am sure I was not alone in being a big Davidemore fan.
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Trust me, you were alone!

Dave, I remember a few people saying they miss him , in the dying days of the old site. Granted this may have been humane concern for the mentally ill.
As I maintain about the "I like Mike" brigade- it's good to know that there's a place for the oddballs in society whom are so often neglected.I fear Davidemore is now living in a skip and it's only a matter of time before something tragic occurs.
Plus the poems. Windy writes amazing poems, but they metrically scan.Davidemore's were how I'd imagine Charlie Parker's last freeform solo would be like, as he drifted into his last drug-induced coma.

Dave, I remember a few people saying they miss him
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That was a typo...we MISSED him. We'd been round to his house armed with machine guns but he escaped the hail of bullets!


Davidemore's were how I'd imagine Charlie Parker's last freeform solo would be like, as he drifted into his last drug-induced coma.
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Much prefer to think of Davide choking on his own vomit

Does someone who never seems to come on to a boxing board to talk Boxing count as a WUM??

Or does such exulted status elude him..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Does someone who never seems to come on to a boxing board to talk Boxing count as a WUM??

Or does such exulted status elude him..

Sadly for you, they'd be discounted due to the fact that even ONE boxing comment made would negate your assertion that they "never" talk about boxing...even though that misguided assertion is probably more to do with your inability to read

Hope that clears things up...as the doctor said after your latest ill-fated trip to the Blue Oyster

Why are you having a pop. I was just asking a question..never said it was pertaining to you kid!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why are you having a pop. I was just asking a question..never said it was pertaining to you kid!

Oh dear...I'll refer you to my point about an inability to read.

Look again and tell me where I've mentioned me as being that person in that post. I've simply mentioned that a person making even a single boxing related comment couldn't be said to NEVER talk about boxing. No names mentioned whatsoever

Seems you're the one getting a little tetchy here TRUSSY

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