Scottish players plying their trade outside of Scotland at the professional level

There's alot of chat about the Scots talent plying its trade outside Scotland at the mo. What with potential signings for the pro teams, young up and coming talent and Scot qualified messianic warriors from the Super 12. So I thought I'd kick off an ongoing thread dedicated to recording all of the nuggets of info Sean Lineen needs to know before he starts his new job.

Our resident rugby scholar ASBO has done alot of the leg work for us in the below list. But does anyone have anymore pearls of wisdom?

England:
Newcastle:
Ally Hogg - no.8
Euan Murray - Prop
Alex Tait - FB/wing - (Brother of Mat Tait)
Michael Tait - Centre
Grant Shiells - Prop
Tim Swinson - Lock - (Scottish grandfather)

Alan Tait- Coach

Gloucester:
Scott Lawson - Hooker
Rory Lawson - Scrum Half
Al Strokosch - Flanker
Jim Hamilton - Lock

Bryan Redpath - Ex Head Coach
Carl Hogg - Forwards Coach

Bath:
Simon Taylor - no.8
Mark McMillan - Scrum Half
Jack Cuthbert - Full Back
James Tyas - Flanker - Academy - (on loan at Plymouth Albion?)

Ian McGeechan - DOR

Exeter:
Bryan Rennie - Centre/wing

Sale:
Richie Vernon - no.8/Flanker
Fraser McKenzie - Lock/blindside
Al Dickinson - Prop

Saracens:
Kelly Brown - Flanker

London Irish:
Joe Ansbro - centre/wing

London Wasps:
Hugo Southwell - fullback
Ross Samson - scrumhalf

Worcester:
Alex Grove - Centre
Bruce Douglas - Prop

Championship players:
Ian Grieve - Flanker- Bristol
Sean Marsden - Full back- Bristol
Mitch Eadie - Back Row/Lock- Bristol
Gordon Ross - Fly Half- London Welsh
Jonny Baird - Back Row-Nottingham
Mitchell Todd - Lock- Nottingham
Cameron Mitchell - Centre- Plymouth Albion
Ian Nimmo - Lock - Cornish Pirates
Sean Tomes - Lock- Bedford
Duncan Taylor - Bedford
Stuart Corsar - Prop - Doncaster
Stephen McColl - Leeds
Dougie Flockhart - Wing - Doncaster
Mike Adamson - Flyhalf - London Scottish
Charlie Broughton - Wing/fullback - London Scottish
Lewis Calder - Flanker - London Scottish
Ollie Grove - Centre - London Scottish
Willie Lipp - no.8/Flanker - London Scottish
Ben MacDougall - centre - London Scottish
Ian McInroy - centre/wing - London Scottish
Tom Yellowlees - Flanker - London Scottish
Callum MacBurnie - Centre - Moseley
Garry Law - Rotherham
Neil Cochrane - Hooker - Beford
David Morton - Prop - Plymouth Albion
Michael Maltman - Flanker - Moseley

RaboDirect pro-12:
Dan Parks - Fly Half - Cardiff
Sean Lamont - Wing - Llanelli
Nikki Walker - Wing - Ospreys
Simon Danielli - Wing - Ulster

France
Rory Lamont - Fullback - ?
Jason White - Lock/Blind Side Flanker - Clermont
Scott Murray - Lock - Castres (retired from intl rugby? )
Scott Newlands - backrow - Oyonnax
Max Evans - OC/wing - Castres
Mark Bennett - centre - Clermont
Nathan Hines - lock - Clermont (retired from intl rugby)
Alexandre Wukovits - no.8 - Bordeaux-Begles
James Murray - fly half - HK? (U20 in 2007, ex-Bordeaux-Begles, ex-Leeds, ex-Edin Accies)

I would add the following:

Neale Patrick - 6'6 and 18+ stone 2nd row - Rotherham http://www.rotherhamrugby.co.uk/squad/85/neale-patrick/

Duncan Taylor - 22 year old wing/fullback - Saracens (ex Bedford in ASBO's list) http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/rugby/profile-duncan-taylor.17352797

Craig Gillies - 2nd row - Worcester (although he may be lost to the English, due to an A cap??) http://www.warriors.co.uk/warriors/matchcentre/players_warriors_first_team.php?player=3984&includeref=dynamic

Aly Muldowney at Exe, Blair Cowan at Wuss, Tom Heathcote at Bath, David Pisi at Irish (but apparently not interested), Ross White at Rotherham ... and I'm sure there's more I've forgotten

No mention of Maitland yet! There's got to be more in the Southern Hemisphere. The SRU have obviously been looking there judging by the presence of SA/Oz boys in the under-20's. I wonder if they've been looking at the NRL too, there's got to be a few Scottish qualified guys playing league down under?

Some others to add to the list are

Newcastle
Scott Wilson who is a prop
Fraser Wem big 6ft 9 lock in the academy
Callum MacRae - Skills Coach

Bath
Tom Heathcote - fly half

Exeter
Aly Muldowny - lock

Leicester
Scott Steele - Scrum Half

Sale
Will Bordill - Flanker Scotland u20 and sale academy

Saracens

Duncan Taylor - centre/wing
Ali Price - scrum half also joint registration with bedford
Ben Ransom - full back

London Irish
Ross Sansom

Worcester
Sam Atkin - winger/centre in the academy

Bristol

George Watkins - winger

Rabo 12

Connacht
Dylan Rogers - prop

Aironi
George Biagi - lock

Ospreys
Sam Torrance - scrum half

Italian super 10

Colin White- Back Row- Venezia Mestre
Ross Mccan- Parma
Jon Dunbar- #8 Parma
Steve Jones- full back-Parma
Robbie Kydd- Calvisano
Stephen Nicol- Lock- Calvisano

Rest of the World
Clark Laidlaw- Coach- New Zealand
David Gray- Strength and conditioning coach- Wellington
Richard Dixon- Coach- Gerogia
Tommaso Allan- Western Province centre/flyhalf
Brendan McKibbin- sh- Waratahs
Grayson Hart- sh- NSW Waratahs
Peter Stewart- centre- Nudgee College- Australia
Robbie Robinson- 12,15- Chiefs, NZ
Sean Maitland- Wing- Crusaders

Thats some of the scots qualified players i'm aware of a few of those i came across on another forum and also had a long list of rugby league players who are scots qualified too.

Sam Torrance can't be right surely! He would be useful come Movember right enough!

haha, yep indeed that is incorrect, should have been matthrew Torrance

Great additions, majestic

nickj wrote:I would add the following:

Neale Patrick - 6'6 and 18+ stone 2nd row - Rotherham http://www.rotherhamrugby.co.uk/squad/85/neale-patrick/

Duncan Taylor - 22 year old wing/fullback - Saracens (ex Bedford in ASBO's list) http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/rugby/profile-duncan-taylor.17352797

Craig Gillies - 2nd row - Worcester (although he may be lost to the English, due to an A cap??) http://www.warriors.co.uk/warriors/matchcentre/players_warriors_first_team.php?player=3984&includeref=dynamic

And the fact that he's like a hundred years old?

Robbie Robinson?! He'd be good to try and bring over. Electric pace.

Grayson Hart appears to have played in the same sydney team as Chris Cusiter, maybe he put a word in his ear?

On the coaching front Clark Laidlaw is highly rated and part of the most succesfull sevens team in the world, so must be decent. Being an actual born and bred scot, you would like to think he could be tempted back.

Yeah Robbie Robinson would be a great addition to the scotland team, the fact he can play 15, 12 and 10 would be a great coup. Been in brilliant form this season in the super xv but think he will still be a long way off an all black cap so could be tempted over these shores.
Even if there was no space at a scottish team the SRU could help get him a club in England or France which i imagine wouldn't be too hard to find a taker.

Rory Lamont is a Warriors player and has been for 5 months ?!?

In fairness to nick, c21st, he's copied my list from October time last year

The naughty wee plagiarist !

Nah, I gave him the link!!

Where are we getting the information that confirms Robbie Robinson has a Scottish link? Never heard the name mentioned before. He's played well for the Chiefs this season. Would be a coup if we pinched him.

Slightly off topic but I see Perpignan are looking for a 9 that's also a goal kicker and have cooled their interest in Blair. McKibben anyone?

There was discussion on another forum a while back that mentioned Robbie Robinson and think it was said that one of his parents is scottish. Not sure if there are any articles online that confirm it though.

Some cracking additions, cheers boys. Majestic - you are a bit good on this mate, maybe you should give Sean a quick bell. If you have time it would be ace to see the RL players.

Yeah no worries mate, i'll get that list of RL players up, not one i compiled myself but saw it in another article.
Reckon there must be even more scots qualified out there than the ones we've identified. my folks have just come back from new zealand and pretty much every one they spoke to claimed to have a scottish background.

Having seen Brendan McKibbin playing for the tahs today i can't see there being much chance of him coming over to play for Scotland. If he keeps up the current form he'll be playing for oz this year possibly even debuting against Scotland.
If i were there Sru I'd try get Grayson Hart over, he's young, look a great player and seems to be a leader too.

nickj, I'd love that job, got too much time on my hands with being injured just now.

add to the list Lachlan Mitchell from the rebels who has a scottish mother according to this article in the australian today.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/scots-eyeing-mckibbin-mitchell/story-e6frg7o6-1226334787717

Was impressed with him when he was at Wasps and would be a very handy addition to the Scotland team.

To the English Championship players listed above we can now add Glen Bryce of newly promoted Jersey RFC, back three player (Scotland U20 I think).

By the way, it looks like we've missed out on Heathcote. Sisi was Scots qualified too wasn't he?

http://www.rfu.com/News/2012/May/NewsArticles/010512_20s_JWC_squad.aspx

Super rugby said last night there are 235 South african player plying their trade outside of south Africa.

235 Sounds almost like a postal code.

If Sean Lineen was smart he get Brendan McKibben in a dark blue jersey as soon as possible,He was born in scotland,I presume he has a Scottish passport as he has only been in Australia for a few years,and only as a result of being coached back at Saracens by Eddie Jones.At the moment he would have two or three good Aussie halfbacks ahead of him,but he is improving,and he kicks goals.

Completely agree with you but he seems to have his heart set on the green and gold.

Yeah it looks as if we have maybe missed the boat with McKibbin since he has hit a rich vain of form across in oz.
The player i'd try bring across instead is Grayson Hart, he is part of the Waratahs academy but has played for the Blues in the s14.
Think he is only 22/23 and looks a great player.

These threads cheer me right up.

McKibben certainly has impressed since he was given his chance. Genia is the first choice SH for Aus and Nick Phipps is also in the running. I don’t think McKibben would have got a look in if Burgess was still playing super rugby, that’d be 3 SHs ahead of him in the queue. I can see him being included in the Aus squad for the tour, possibly debuting against us. I presume it’ll be Lineen’s job to identify potential Scots qualified players and try to convince them to move to Europe. I wonder if the SRU will subsidise the costs for these players. I would expect that to be the case for players moving to Glasgow or Edinburgh, but the prospect of one of these young guys moving to France not knowing anyone and being left to their own devices just to get a Scotland cap seems unlikely. Some will obviously be more easy to convince than others. The SRU will know about the players mentioned above and probably others and I’m sure they’ll approach every one of them. They’ve missed out on a few gems already so I want to see them make an effort to get these guys to the NH.

Add in George Watkins - wing - Bristol

Scot Abroad wrote:McKibben certainly has impressed since he was given his chance. Genia is the first choice SH for Aus and Nick Phipps is also in the running. I don’t think McKibben would have got a look in if Burgess was still playing super rugby, that’d be 3 SHs ahead of him in the queue. I can see him being included in the Aus squad for the tour, possibly debuting against us.

He got out played by Brumbies rookie 21yr old scrum half Nic White at the weekend so I would place him fourth. His main plus to get the Aus 9 jersey would be his goal kicking.

cp10 wrote:

Scot Abroad wrote:McKibben certainly has impressed since he was given his chance. Genia is the first choice SH for Aus and Nick Phipps is also in the running. I don’t think McKibben would have got a look in if Burgess was still playing super rugby, that’d be 3 SHs ahead of him in the queue. I can see him being included in the Aus squad for the tour, possibly debuting against us.

He got out played by Brumbies rookie 21yr old scrum half Nic White at the weekend so I would place him fourth. His main plus to get the Aus 9 jersey would be his goal kicking.

With O'Conner and Cooper out who would take over kicking duties if McKibben misses out. Beale kicked well at the weekend and Berrick Barnes is the only other player I know who kicks, but he doesn't do it regularly because of McKibben. Either way I think he's close to an Aus cap and will be concentrating on that. Unless he's told by management that he's not in line for one then I can't see him playing for Scotland any time soon.

Anyone heard any more about Lachlan Mitchell? If Edinburgh are signing the likes of Mike Penn, I would imagine Lachie hasn't been convinced by a move to his Mum's homeland

Who needs Scottish-qualified players when Edinburgh are hell-bent on becoming Edinburgh Welsh?

Cryptoyourisan wrote:Who needs Scottish-qualified players when Edinburgh are hell-bent on becoming Edinburgh Welsh?

Edinburgh Welsh, really? I thought we'd only signed two welsh players!

nickj wrote:Anyone heard any more about Lachlan Mitchell? If Edinburgh are signing the likes of Mike Penn, I would imagine Lachie hasn't been convinced by a move to his Mum's homeland

Not heard anymore about Lachie Mitchell coming over, I would imagine the summer tour will be a good time to get him into the scotland camp to meet the players and stuff and get him on board, from the bits i've read I don't think it would be a scottish team he'd be coming to but more likely going to the aviva premiership again.

Another possible name to add to the list is a young guy in the Crusaders squad called Johnny McNicholl. Seems to be a full back and possibly winger. Not totally sure of his background but certainly seems of Scottish heritage. Any posters from New Zealand have any info on this guy?

I wish NZ would stop poaching our players.

Majestic83 wrote:

Cryptoyourisan wrote:Who needs Scottish-qualified players when Edinburgh are hell-bent on becoming Edinburgh Welsh?

Edinburgh Welsh, really? I thought we'd only signed two welsh players!

So far...

What're you hearing Crypto?

As part of his new remit, Chris Paterson is off to NZ this weekend on a fact finding mission at the Crusaders. We can but dream that he's been told not to come back without Sean Maitland in tow...

Take off Danielli he has just announced his retirement

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:What're you hearing Crypto?

Gavin Henson.



Just kidding.

highland_scot wrote:As part of his new remit, Chris Paterson is off to NZ this weekend on a fact finding mission at the Crusaders. We can but dream that he's been told not to come back without Sean Maitland in tow...

Aye, just tie the beggar up, administer some decent drugs, and let's get him back here

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

highland_scot wrote:As part of his new remit, Chris Paterson is off to NZ this weekend on a fact finding mission at the Crusaders. We can but dream that he's been told not to come back without Sean Maitland in tow...

Aye, just tie the beggar up, administer some decent drugs, and let's get him back here

And maybe he could pop to Hamilton for Robbie Robinson from the Chiefs whilst he's at it!

highland_scot wrote:

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

highland_scot wrote:As part of his new remit, Chris Paterson is off to NZ this weekend on a fact finding mission at the Crusaders. We can but dream that he's been told not to come back without Sean Maitland in tow...

Aye, just tie the beggar up, administer some decent drugs, and let's get him back here

And maybe he could pop to Hamilton for Robbie Robinson from the Chiefs whilst he's at it!

Toonie already went to the Chiefs (could still be there) for some coaching tips. Can only see him doing harm to any efforts to convince Robinson to play for Scotland.

Anyone heard of this guy Hamish Paterson, Kiwi born back rower, played for Auckland and playing out in Japan just now.
Looks pretty useful. Fairly Scottish sounding name, no idea though if he is Scots qualified though.

Maitland not in ABs squad, so now is maybe the time to persuade him he's really Scottish.

Think there is a job already going on behind the scenes to get Maitland plus a few other guys playing in oz and nz, Maitland makes it pretty clear on his twitter that he is half scottish, think the key to getting him is finding him a good contract in europe probably at one of the french clubs.

Newcastle:

Scott Wilson is England u18 prop...so has probably decided to play for England...

Tim Swinson is on his way to one of the scottish regions in the summer....

Yeah GeordieFalcon, Swinson has joined Glasgow and has said he wants to play for Scotland.
I'm sure i read a bit about Scott Wilson that he is playing for England at junior level just now as it means Newcastle get more money but he hasn't decided on who he'll play at senior level?