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Ulster vs Edinburgh, Build Up Thread
Ulster vs Edinburgh
5.45pm, Saturday 28th April
AVIVA Stadium Dublin
Heineken Cup Semi-Final
Nice sparkly new thread for the build-up to the Heineken Cup Semi-Final. Links to press interviews, team speculation, breaking news and discussion in the week ahead.
Let's kick off with interviews with Ulster defence coach Jonathan Bell and Edinburgh coach Michael Bradley.
Jonny Bell thinks Ulsters fans can be the difference as he reflects on his own win in the 1999 competition.
Michael Bradley talks about the Toulouse quarter-final and assesses the threat of Ulster.
Post any and all match-related chat here
5.45pm, Saturday 28th April
AVIVA Stadium Dublin
Heineken Cup Semi-Final
Nice sparkly new thread for the build-up to the Heineken Cup Semi-Final. Links to press interviews, team speculation, breaking news and discussion in the week ahead.
Let's kick off with interviews with Ulster defence coach Jonathan Bell and Edinburgh coach Michael Bradley.
Jonny Bell thinks Ulsters fans can be the difference as he reflects on his own win in the 1999 competition.
Michael Bradley talks about the Toulouse quarter-final and assesses the threat of Ulster.
Post any and all match-related chat here
Last edited by Notch on Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:43 pm; edited 1 time in total
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In terms of team selection, Ulster have been given a big boost by the news that Chris Henry and Pedrie Wannenburg have been passed fit after leaving the field injured against Leinster.
http://www.espnscrum.com/heineken-cup-2011-12/rugby/story/163084.html
Ulster are still waiting on news about Paddy Wallace. Paul Marshall is the other major injury doubt for Ulster. Do it for Brian lads!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17799458
http://www.espnscrum.com/heineken-cup-2011-12/rugby/story/163084.html
Ulster are still waiting on news about Paddy Wallace. Paul Marshall is the other major injury doubt for Ulster. Do it for Brian lads!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17799458
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Good job Notch . Any word on how man Edinburgh fans are going?
In terms of the Ulster team, Paddy Jackson has won me over after Friday night and Fitzpatrick went very well at TH. I'd imagine both will get the nod.
In terms of the Ulster team, Paddy Jackson has won me over after Friday night and Fitzpatrick went very well at TH. I'd imagine both will get the nod.
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Wallace and Marshall would both be huge losses. Fez should be champing at the bit. The real elephant in the room though is who starts at 10.
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I think Jackson, unless both Wallace and Marshall aren't fit to start the game. If both those guys are out;
9. Pienaar
10. Humphreys
12. Jackson
And Deccie Fitz to play tighthead, even if he only lasts 50 minutes. I think Macklin has twice gone well off the bench for Ulster in the last two weeks.
9. Pienaar
10. Humphreys
12. Jackson
And Deccie Fitz to play tighthead, even if he only lasts 50 minutes. I think Macklin has twice gone well off the bench for Ulster in the last two weeks.
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I'm not sure Jackson should play at 12 if I'm totally honest. I see your reasoning behind it Notch, but I'm not sure he is comfortable there. Humphreys and Jackson would be a heavily targeted. If Wallace is not fit I think Whitten should be starting. Great news that Henry and Wannenburg are fit
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Jackson can handle himself. When I saw him take down SOB on Friday I knew he was ready.
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Let's be honest, lads. if Ulster fail to win this, then they are a team of absolute duffers - 'crisis' I would say
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Edinburgh have sold 2000 tickets through the SRU website, but hopefully there will be a few more through other websites. Can see there being at least 35-40000 Ulster or Irish fans there so we'll be well and truly drowned out! I'll by trying my hardest to address the balance though!
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Great news about Pedrie and chris. Didn't check the links but i assume that is definitive. To be honest I think paddy is the one of those three I think we can afford to lose (albeit he would still be a big loss). If any of our starting backrow are out we lose so much though and we really need to dominate rennie and Denton.
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Good man RDW!
I'll be trying to drown you out man but hope you have a good one(but not too good )!
I'll be trying to drown you out man but hope you have a good one(but not too good )!
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Asbo, youre absolutely right. I'll be in 503 watching us get hammered.
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Have to say I got a bit more excited when I heard some of your key guys were a bit banged up, but looks like they should be OK so back to the straw clutching again!
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RDW,
You are in the joyous position of everyone (pretty much) expecting you to be on the wrong end of the scoreboard. That's usually our place. I'm not at all used to this expectation! Makes me nervous and a bit uncomfortable.
Don't get me wrong now, I'm not saying it will be easy or that anything is a foregone conclusion, just that this is not our comfort zone at all this "favourite" thing! I really believe in our team but this is unchartered territory for us all this!
I hope it's something we get the chance to get used to.
You are in the joyous position of everyone (pretty much) expecting you to be on the wrong end of the scoreboard. That's usually our place. I'm not at all used to this expectation! Makes me nervous and a bit uncomfortable.
Don't get me wrong now, I'm not saying it will be easy or that anything is a foregone conclusion, just that this is not our comfort zone at all this "favourite" thing! I really believe in our team but this is unchartered territory for us all this!
I hope it's something we get the chance to get used to.
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will 40,000+ ulster fans travel down to the aviva? i hope so it will be a great occasion
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I was at the Celtic Cup final when Ulster won. Great day looking forward to a great day on Saturday. Ulster or Edinburgh, enjoy.
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LeinsterFan4life wrote:will 40,000+ ulster fans travel down to the aviva? i hope so it will be a great occasion
I don't know how many folks are travelling down but I know there will be loads. My son is convinced his entire team are all going along with their families. I know one STH who isn't going! And that is through circumstances beyond his control!
Almost everyone I talk to says they are going.
It should be some occasion. I hope we can get there on time as we have committments that morning so will be leaving much later than I would like!
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The fact it is a semi-final is a great leveller. The first half hour will be cagey- the game won't be won until the second half if it doesn't go to the wire.
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justified sinner wrote:I was at the Celtic Cup final when Ulster won. Great day looking forward to a great day on Saturday. Ulster or Edinburgh, enjoy.
Amen to that!
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Notch wrote:The fact it is a semi-final is a great leveller.
I agree Notch, I think this will be very close. Once you get to this stage the formbook goes out the window. This is uncharted territory for all the players involved but I'm hoping Ulster will have enough cool heads in the NIQ guys plus the the likes of Ferris and Best, who've won a GS to not let the occaision get to them.
This is a 50/50 game to me and the pressure is on Ulster here. Edinburgh have nothing to lose that makes them very dangerous.
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Really hoping/expecting for an Ulster win.
Like the cut of their gib and do not like the unfounded arrogance that some Edinburgh fans have displayed this year.
Go Celts!!!Trimble and Ferris to smash these soandsos.
Like the cut of their gib and do not like the unfounded arrogance that some Edinburgh fans have displayed this year.
Go Celts!!!Trimble and Ferris to smash these soandsos.
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Aren't the Scots also Celts though?
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Not in my house!!Notch wrote:Aren't the Scots also Celts though?
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Anyone wishing to see the apparent arrogance of Edinburgh fans, and Taff's genuinely perplexing reaction can do so here:
https://www.606v2.com/t24113-n-g-dragons-vs-edinburgh
They really shouldn't use revolving doors at the looney bin...
https://www.606v2.com/t24113-n-g-dragons-vs-edinburgh
They really shouldn't use revolving doors at the looney bin...
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IanBru wrote:Anyone wishing to see the apparent arrogance of Edinburgh fans, and Taff's genuinely perplexing reaction can do so here:
https://www.606v2.com/t24113-n-g-dragons-vs-edinburgh
They really shouldn't use revolving doors at the looney bin...
Don't worry, I don't think many people take Taff too seriously.. just let him keep talking rubbish
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Looney bin, eh? Who are you to make that call? More sickening arrogance from Ian there- you disgust me! You are not a mental health professional... probably!
All you Edinburgh fans are the same I tell you
All you Edinburgh fans are the same I tell you
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The hypocrisy is humorous though, as I remember threads like "Wales 6 nations winners" before the series was even over. Plus I remember some posters saying how ridiculous it was to even contemplate that Wales might be beaten by Scotland..
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Some of them are ok.Some are devious soandsos and some are just twp.Notch wrote:Looney bin, eh? Who are you to make that call? More sickening arrogance from Ian there- you disgust me! You are not a mental health professional... probably!
All you Edinburgh fans are the same I tell you
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I would love to be going to this game, however divorce would be the only possible outcome if I were to shell out more money for rugby and leave my Mrs at home.
I don't want to sound arrogant though but this one is a foregone conclusion. I expect Edinburgh to trounce Ulster by at least 40 points.
I don't want to sound arrogant though but this one is a foregone conclusion. I expect Edinburgh to trounce Ulster by at least 40 points.
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Incase it was lost on anyone my previous post was a poor attempt at Humour.
This will be a titanic clash, Ulster have had the better of Edinburgh in the league twice already this season and will go in as favourites. Edinburgh will have to play every bit as well as they have in the HC already to challenge Ulster at the home of Irish rugby. It will be a huge challenge but Edinburgh are capable of beating Ulster.
It's a fairly even contest all over the park IMO and I think there will be little between the sides come Saturday.
This will be a titanic clash, Ulster have had the better of Edinburgh in the league twice already this season and will go in as favourites. Edinburgh will have to play every bit as well as they have in the HC already to challenge Ulster at the home of Irish rugby. It will be a huge challenge but Edinburgh are capable of beating Ulster.
It's a fairly even contest all over the park IMO and I think there will be little between the sides come Saturday.
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As I've said above Radge I don't think league form will come into it.
Ulster have "home" advantage and will be slight favourites but with that comes additional expectation and pressure.
This is a 50/50 game for sure.
Ulster have "home" advantage and will be slight favourites but with that comes additional expectation and pressure.
This is a 50/50 game for sure.
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I would say there will be less than 7 points in it after 60 minutes- then I hope we pull away but if Edinburgh get a sniff, then who knows? Going to be an epic day, and hopefully an epic game as well
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The backrow is where this game will be won and lost. If the Edinburgh backrow can get momentum I think that is when we'll be most dangerous. Denton, Talei and Rennie have to get the ball going forward and that means living up to the physicality in the collisions of Ferris specificaly who was brilliant at snuffing out Munster's momentum in the QF of the cup earlier on in the month.
The breakdown will be a key contest defensivly for Edinburgh. If Rennie and Denton can get paws on the ball and slow down Ulster's quick attacking play (much like they did against Toulouse) it can make up for some of Edinburgh's defencive frailties.
I think the myth of Edinburghs loose defence was well ant truly quashed when we held out for 7 minutes against Toulouse with 13 men. Ulster like to throw the ball around the backs as do Edinburgh so this should be a belter of game for the neutrals.
Already Excited!
The breakdown will be a key contest defensivly for Edinburgh. If Rennie and Denton can get paws on the ball and slow down Ulster's quick attacking play (much like they did against Toulouse) it can make up for some of Edinburgh's defencive frailties.
I think the myth of Edinburghs loose defence was well ant truly quashed when we held out for 7 minutes against Toulouse with 13 men. Ulster like to throw the ball around the backs as do Edinburgh so this should be a belter of game for the neutrals.
Already Excited!
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Ulster need the first 30 minutes to be exactly the same as thomond because Edinburgh will not come back the way munster did then. I don't expect a 19-0 start but in terms of being absolutely ruthless when we get a chance.
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Denton will be on the blind and so his collisions with Ferris will shape the entire game. Edinburgh have a superbly balanced back row and Rennie has shown himself as the true jackal he is at stealing ball. If they all play well and start to pressure whoever Ulster put at 10, it's going to be interesting.
It's going to be immense. Don't get too ahead of yourselves my Ulster brethren.
It's going to be immense. Don't get too ahead of yourselves my Ulster brethren.
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Agree that the start is going to be crucial Stand.
The set piece will be key and as Radge says the breakdown. Pienaar needs to bring his kicking boots this time too after missing a few on Friday.
Unfortunately, the way the game is now, the referee will be key too.
I'm seriously worried about this game actually. I wish we were playing Toulouse.
The set piece will be key and as Radge says the breakdown. Pienaar needs to bring his kicking boots this time too after missing a few on Friday.
Unfortunately, the way the game is now, the referee will be key too.
I'm seriously worried about this game actually. I wish we were playing Toulouse.
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Right guys, for a bit of fun, if you could chose 2 players from the opposition to mysteriously come down with a bad case of the brown water syndrome the night before and not be able to play, who would it be??
For me it is easy - Pieenar and Ferris. Pieenar because he will kick anything from the halfway line and beyond, and Ferris cause he's a total beast and will nullify our big carriers if he manages to get near them - stopping our most effective weapons.
For me it is easy - Pieenar and Ferris. Pieenar because he will kick anything from the halfway line and beyond, and Ferris cause he's a total beast and will nullify our big carriers if he manages to get near them - stopping our most effective weapons.
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I'll go with Blair and Visser.
Visser has the pace and power to cause us problems out wide, Trimble did get the better off him recently but I'd rather not face him to be honest.
Blair is key I think with his leadership and control at the base of the ruck. He's not the player he was a couple fo seasons ago but he's still an important player for Edinburgh.
Visser has the pace and power to cause us problems out wide, Trimble did get the better off him recently but I'd rather not face him to be honest.
Blair is key I think with his leadership and control at the base of the ruck. He's not the player he was a couple fo seasons ago but he's still an important player for Edinburgh.
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Denton and Talei. Edinburgh wouldn't have the backrow to trouble us if they were ruled out. As it is they have an excellent backrow when everyone is on the pitch but like us the drop off in quality between first and second choice in that area is massive.
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Ruan, Pedrie, Stefan, Johan.
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RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
This will be a titanic clash, Ulster have had the better of Edinburgh in the league twice already this season and will go in as favourites. Edinburgh will have to play every bit as well as they have in the HC already to challenge Ulster at the home of Irish rugby. It will be a huge challenge but Edinburgh are capable of beating Ulster.
Omenous prediction!!! And no pun intended I'm sure . Will Ulster indeed sink beneath the waves, having been hit by a bit of good ol' 'dour' Scottish floating ice in the shape of Edinburgh? Will Ulster run headlong into the berg rather than using sense and slowing down to go round it? Intrigue abounds as timely metaphors do the honours.
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biltongbek wrote:Ruan, Pedrie, Stefan, Johan.
Who is the last guy dong the warm-up? You, biltong?
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Yes, I think so. They are on ticketmaster. I think there are something like 5,000 left.
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SecretFly wrote:biltongbek wrote:Ruan, Pedrie, Stefan, Johan.
Who is the last guy dong the warm-up? You, biltong?
No mate it is me, rodders and all the other Ulster fans (not sure who they all are) maybe you can suggest three more.
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Notch wrote:Denton and Talei. Edinburgh wouldn't have the backrow to trouble us if they were ruled out. As it is they have an excellent backrow when everyone is on the pitch but like us the drop off in quality between first and second choice in that area is massive.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Laidlaw. To me he is the heart and sole of the team and was immense against Toulouse, taking the game by the scruff of the neck. Plus, if he gets injured then (good)Godman has to come on!!
My other concern would be Denton - Need his physicality to combat Ferris.
Blair has only played 40 mins against London Irish and again against Toulouse and we managed fine without him - key player but Leck will do a decent job if he came on. Visser has also been very quiet the past few HK games so we've managed to win without him being on top form. Could do with him coming back to form for this game though!
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Tickets are something like 33,000 Ulster and 12,000 split between neutrals and Edinburgh. 4,500 left
We absolutely must make sure we are the 16th man.
If any Ulster fan hasn't booked accomodation then you need to stay at the Airport - the city centre is full.
Me ? - I'm in a pub for 2 nights
Also the train is fully booked going down and coming back on the Saturday - not a ticket left
We absolutely must make sure we are the 16th man.
If any Ulster fan hasn't booked accomodation then you need to stay at the Airport - the city centre is full.
Me ? - I'm in a pub for 2 nights
Also the train is fully booked going down and coming back on the Saturday - not a ticket left
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So who will play for Ulster
My prediction is that everyone will make it and the team will be:
Court, Best, Fitzpatrick, Tuohy, Muller, Ferris, Wannenberg, Henry, Pienaer, Jackson, Gilroy, Wallace, Cave, Trimble, Terblanche
Bench: Mcallister, Brady, Macklin, Stevenson, Faloon, Marshall, Spence, D'Arcy
The only position in doubt is 10.
Diack has outperformed Faloon in the last 2 games but Faloon will probably play as 7 cover.
If Wallace is not fit then I reckon you might see Humphreys, Spence with Whitten on the bench
My prediction is that everyone will make it and the team will be:
Court, Best, Fitzpatrick, Tuohy, Muller, Ferris, Wannenberg, Henry, Pienaer, Jackson, Gilroy, Wallace, Cave, Trimble, Terblanche
Bench: Mcallister, Brady, Macklin, Stevenson, Faloon, Marshall, Spence, D'Arcy
The only position in doubt is 10.
Diack has outperformed Faloon in the last 2 games but Faloon will probably play as 7 cover.
If Wallace is not fit then I reckon you might see Humphreys, Spence with Whitten on the bench
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Ulster will try and over power Edinburgh early - dont expect the ball be thrown about too much in the first 20 mins.
They believe their front 5 has what it takes - that is why Fitzpatrick out scrummaging Healy on Friday was so important. It means we can stick with the original game plan.
They believe their front 5 has what it takes - that is why Fitzpatrick out scrummaging Healy on Friday was so important. It means we can stick with the original game plan.
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