Failed Drug Test? Khan Peterson fight could be in jeopardy!

by The genius of PBF Tue 08 May 2012, 5:32 am

First topic message reminder :

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article12368.html

If true this is why boxing needs the best testing!

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 3:23 pm

azania wrote:
Pound-for-Pound wrote:As much as money matters in Vegas they won't allow a guy to get in the ring when there is evidence he is on steroids. GBP have already contacted Carson Jones

I dont think that level of sanity will apply. Will Carson (who) take the fight in such short notice?

They can probably sell the fight as Khan's Welterweight debut against a world rated opponent and people will buy into it. Plus with Broner on the card it's bound to sell.

by J.Benson II Tue 08 May 2012, 3:25 pm

Pound-for-Pound wrote:
J.Benson II wrote:
OasisBFC wrote:
Pound-for-Pound wrote:
OasisBFC wrote:
azania wrote:Bradley connected better and on the chin. He is an accurate puncher.

thats all you need to know. its not all about the power, its about timing and technique.

and anyway, since when did taking substances improve your punch resistance?

Wouldn't it strengthen the neck muscles?

not to a degree where you can walk through punches you once would have been knocked out from.
apparently 'riods can increase pain threshold though, although this is just internet rubbish posted from people with no medical background so i cant believe it.

until i see an article stating that PEDs can help you take a punch better i wont be swayed. it can help you train harder, faster etc, but ability to take a punch? im not too sure.

It can't. Or if it can, not to any significant degree. There are plenty of heavily juiced athletes in various combat sports with suspect chins.

Which combat sports allow steroids?

None, but there are/were plenty of MMA/K1 fighters (especially those in Pride) who were juiced to the gills.

by azania Tue 08 May 2012, 3:27 pm

Khan is not that big a name in USA to headline a fight just for a WW debut. There needs to be a title to sell the fight properly and make it legit. Whatever the merits of the various belts, they add legimitacy when the fighters are not superstars.

Floyd, Manny, MAB, Moralez can fight for my belt it would sell.

by manos de piedra Tue 08 May 2012, 3:27 pm

Pound-for-Pound wrote:Even if there is pressure surely it shouldn't be allowed. You can't knowingly endanger a person for the sake of money and that is what you're doing if you put someone in the ring with a steroid user. I'm sure they said Jones is interested in taking the fight so the card should still go ahead.

Didn't Shane Mosley end a sparring partner's career back when he was juicing?

Fights where one fighter doesnt make the weight go ahead all the time.

by azania Tue 08 May 2012, 3:28 pm

Yeah. In Pride it was a case of who wasn't taking any.

by as1079 Tue 08 May 2012, 3:29 pm

Kevin Mitchell, the journalist, has Tweeted that Carson Jones knows nothing about any Golden Boy contact and is, in fact, scheduled to fight Kell Brook in July, so that would appear to be a no-go.

by **hampo17** Tue 08 May 2012, 3:32 pm

manos de piedra wrote:
Pound-for-Pound wrote:Even if there is pressure surely it shouldn't be allowed. You can't knowingly endanger a person for the sake of money and that is what you're doing if you put someone in the ring with a steroid user. I'm sure they said Jones is interested in taking the fight so the card should still go ahead.

Didn't Shane Mosley end a sparring partner's career back when he was juicing?

Fights where one fighter doesnt make the weight go ahead all the time.

I would say not making the weight and using PEDs are two different things though Manos, people who don't make weight are normally pretty drained from doing so.

by manos de piedra Tue 08 May 2012, 4:20 pm

hampo171 wrote:
manos de piedra wrote:
Pound-for-Pound wrote:Even if there is pressure surely it shouldn't be allowed. You can't knowingly endanger a person for the sake of money and that is what you're doing if you put someone in the ring with a steroid user. I'm sure they said Jones is interested in taking the fight so the card should still go ahead.

Didn't Shane Mosley end a sparring partner's career back when he was juicing?

Fights where one fighter doesnt make the weight go ahead all the time.

I would say not making the weight and using PEDs are two different things though Manos, people who don't make weight are normally pretty drained from doing so.

Its the same principle though.

As for PEDs. Im pretty ignorant on the subject. Largely because there doesnt seem to a definative answer to the benefits of them in a sport like boxing. Ive read so many things that dispute and contadict each other that I honestly dont know how effective they are. Some seem to think the benefits are minimal while others argue they can turnn you into King Kong. I genuinely dont know.

by **hampo17** Tue 08 May 2012, 4:24 pm

While I agree it is effectively cheating, the damage PEDs can cause to your opponent compared to not making weight by a pound or two is vast.

PEDs effectively give you the ability to train harder and train for longer depending on what you've taken, they can increase stamina and strength. Exactly the type of things Peterson will need if he's to have another performance like last time.

Testosterone can be used by an athlete in order to improve performance, but it is considered to be a form of doping in most sports. There are several application methods for testosterone, including intramuscular injections, transdermal gels and patches, and implantable pellets.

Anabolic steroids (including testosterone) have also been taken to enhance muscle development, strength, or endurance. They do so directly by increasing the muscles' protein synthesis. As a result, muscle fibers become larger and repair faster than the average person's. After a series of scandals and publicity in the 1980s (such as Ben Johnson's improved performance at the 1988 Summer Olympics), prohibitions of anabolic steroid use were renewed or strengthened by many sports organizations. Testosterone and other anabolic steroids were designated a "controlled substance" by the United States Congress in 1990, with the Anabolic Steroid Control Act.[88] The use is seen as being a seriously problematic issue in modern sport, particularly given the lengths to which athletes and professional laboratories go to in trying to conceal such abuse from sports regulators. Steroid abuse once again came into the spotlight recently as a result of the Chris Benoit double murder-suicide in 2007, and the media frenzy surrounding it – however, there has been no evidence indicating steroid use as a contributing factor.

by as1079 Tue 08 May 2012, 5:34 pm

Statement from Richard Schaefer on the situation expected in 'a few minutes' according to Dan Rafael.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 6:15 pm

Fight is still on. Commission is waiting for material from Peterson's camp and will probably make a decision tomorrow.

by The Galveston Giant Tue 08 May 2012, 6:24 pm

I hope it goes ahead i've been looking forward to it for ages.

by **hampo17** Tue 08 May 2012, 6:45 pm

Just been reading on twitter that the NSAC executive director Keith Kizer was informed by LP attorney about the results, apparently he's tested positive for testosterone pellets, you put them under your arm and they absorb into your body. Kizer also said he was told they'd been taken prior to the first fight!

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 08 May 2012, 6:57 pm

If correct it's very sad......If I was Khan I'd certainly pull out and wait for another opponent to face for the soon-to-be vacant belt!!!!

Cheating is cheating......

No one would blame Khan for looking elsewhere............

by **ShahenshahG** Tue 08 May 2012, 7:01 pm

Truss - might not be a choice I think - sources quoting Kizer say peterson has no license - if confirmed, might leave him scrambling and serious logistical problems for GBP

by **ShahenshahG** Tue 08 May 2012, 7:06 pm

Also a second sample was found pisitve on May 2nd - whether that is another sample of the same blood they drew the first bit from or from and entirely new test - I dont know - but surely this nips it in the bud?

by sweet_pea Tue 08 May 2012, 7:45 pm

http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/5/8/3007608/peterson-vs-khan-vada-testosterone-hbo-boxing-news

looks like peterson DID take them BEFORE the first khan fight, and is blaming his doctor..

fight seems like it is off, and peterson with a 1yr ban if they cannot make a good enough defence for why it was used.

- what happens to the WBA/IBF belts and the loss on khans record (now tainted)?

- will khan stay at 140 or should he just move to 147 because of so much controversy?

- imagine if peterson signed to fight pacquiao instead, he would have got away with it.

by azania Tue 08 May 2012, 7:51 pm

Looks like he did take it before their first fight. It must have had an effect on his stamina and his ability to come forward throwing punches in the manner he did.

Dont think it affects his ability to take a punch though.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 08 May 2012, 7:52 pm

Khan only acquired the loss through stupidity...whilst spin may be used it doesn't take away from the fact he fought like he was brain dead!!

As fpr Petersen what a loser!!!!!

Probably waited his whole career for a fight to make some real money as "Champion".....

and he's blown it.....

First guy to win the lottery and then lose the ticket on the way to cash it in!!!!

Apart from Tomas Molinares..........

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 7:53 pm

Peterson can blame his doctors all he wants but there must be something dodgy going on when he claimed to not understand it until both samples came back positive and at that point he remembered.

by Gordy Tue 08 May 2012, 7:57 pm

A one year ban is outrage for an offence as serious as this. Im sorry but if you take illicit steroids in a sport as dangerous boxing there is simply no other alternative other than a lifetime ban from the sport. You are potentially endangering someones life.

by azania Tue 08 May 2012, 8:01 pm

Did he knowingly take it? I know it doesn't matter in terms of law, but I doubt if LP deliberately took it.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:02 pm

he said he took it deliberately as it was prescribed by his doctor. Not exactly an original excuse.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 08 May 2012, 8:03 pm

You're potentially endangering someone's life anyway!!!!!

Sure Petersen is less a risk than a murderous puncher like Hearns!!!

Ban him for the steroid use but Boxing is dangerous.......

by azania Tue 08 May 2012, 8:05 pm

Pound-for-Pound wrote:he said he took it deliberately as it was prescribed by his doctor. Not exactly an original excuse.

Did he know what it was and that it was a PED? I dont like blaming boxers when they are advised by clever and corrupt people only interested in milking the boxer for every ounce they can.

by Gordy Tue 08 May 2012, 8:06 pm

Im a little unclear of the facts of this case but is my understanding correct in that this boxer took illegal steroids before a previous fight and the results are only coming out now??

Might I ask what good is that? Surely a boxer should only be cleared to compete if he is 100% clean? Only finding out now may be now good whatsoever. The fight have already happened, the result has been compromised and most importantly of all the damage to his opponent could already have happened.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:08 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You're potentially endangering someone's life anyway!!!!!

Sure Petersen is less a risk than a murderous puncher like Hearns!!!

Ban him for the steroid use but Boxing is dangerous.......

fighters are aware of the inherent risks of boxing but when a fighter takes PEDs he unbalances the playing field and adds to the danger for his opponent.

by **hampo17** Tue 08 May 2012, 8:09 pm

The tests that they use in boxing are prehistoric Gordy, probably wasn't picked up. Also the testing last time wasn't random, this time it was at the insistence of Peterson. Olympic testing really needs to be brought in.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:11 pm

The VADAs issue is that he did not inform them that he was on anything, even prescription meds until he had no choice. Denying it until it was unavoidable.

by Gordy Tue 08 May 2012, 8:14 pm

Its shocking that in a sport as dangerous as boxing the testing for steroids and illegal substance should be so primitive. Of all the sports in the world you would have to say that boxing should be the most stringently tested because of the inherent risks. I cant tolerate cheats or liars in any sport but boxers taking steroids to increase their strength and performance unnaturally should be a criminal offence. the sport needs to clean up its act. If the drug testing is so insufficient then who knows how many boxers are on them. banning them for a year is a nonsense. Boxers only fight once a year these days in any event!

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:17 pm

It seems crazy that if you want to race somebody or lift heavy weights you have to undergo such stringent tests and yet if you want to punch someone repeatedly in the head they'll do the minimum testing possible and save a few quid.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:23 pm

If Peterson has a legitimate excuse, however unlikely that is, the fight goes ahead and his career goes on will it suffer from this in terms of fan base and the fights he gets?

by azania Tue 08 May 2012, 8:24 pm

Who has more sympathy for Floyd now?

by azania Tue 08 May 2012, 8:25 pm

Pound-for-Pound wrote:If Peterson has a legitimate excuse, however unlikely that is, the fight goes ahead and his career goes on will it suffer from this in terms of fan base and the fights he gets?

I doubt it will affect it one bit.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:29 pm

azania wrote:Who has more sympathy for Floyd now?

I have always agreed with floyd that the testing should be better. I'd hate to see this sport reduced to being alongside that likes of athletics and MMA where every record and every achievement is questioned and never fully recognised and respected. We are already starting to see that with the likes of Pacquiao, a feat which has never been achieved before instead of being lauded is being scrutinised and discarded. I can also understand that a fighter wants to be certain that he is getting into a fight with a clean athlete and not endangering himself beyond the expected.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:31 pm

azania wrote:
Pound-for-Pound wrote:If Peterson has a legitimate excuse, however unlikely that is, the fight goes ahead and his career goes on will it suffer from this in terms of fan base and the fights he gets?

I doubt it will affect it one bit.

I doubt that. I reckon there will always be the shadow of suspicion which will lessen his support and make fighters refuse to fight him.

by The Beast Tue 08 May 2012, 8:32 pm

I competed in an Olympic sport for 20 years and cannot comprehend how this fight can possibly go ahead at least until this is resolved via a formal hearing. I also cannot understand how the WADA guidelines are not followed meaning a two year ban if the athlete concerned cannot give a reasonable account of how the substance appeared in their body.

by Strongback Tue 08 May 2012, 8:38 pm

I heard on the radio he was allegedly using testosterone.

by J.Benson II Tue 08 May 2012, 8:40 pm

Personally, I think steriod use in boxing is alot more common than many of us like to think.
In any sport where physical perfomance and athleticism are vital, usage of PED's will be rife.
Its naive to think that boxing wll be an exception.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:42 pm

I'm shocked to see Amir Khan hasn't commented. Is this a clever move by whoever does his publicity?

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:44 pm

It's quite weird that in a predictions for 2012 article on Ring mag website the writer predicted that a big name would test positive for steroids this year. Then again with how rife it apparently is, perhaps it was just inevitable.

by Strongback Tue 08 May 2012, 8:46 pm

Khan's spokesman said they are waiting for a statement from Petersons lawyer tonight before they say or do anything.

Expect to see Khan on Twitter in the early hours of the morning UK time.

by manos de piedra Tue 08 May 2012, 8:47 pm

J.Benson II wrote:Personally, I think steriod use in boxing is alot more common than many of us like to think.
In any sport where physical perfomance and athleticism are vital, usage of PED's will be rife.
Its naive to think that boxing wll be an exception.

I agree. Even in sports like sprinting and cycling where athletes are tested round the clock with the best available testing there are still guys that continue to try, and sometimes succeed, in beating the system. Boxings half hearted procedures are almost inviting athletes juice.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:51 pm

Perhaps with this occuring in such a big fight and being covered by mainstream media instead of just boxing news sites Floyd will get his wish and it will lead to an overhaul in testing procedure in boxing.

by manos de piedra Tue 08 May 2012, 8:54 pm

Pound-for-Pound wrote:Perhaps with this occuring in such a big fight and being covered by mainstream media instead of just boxing news sites Floyd will get his wish and it will lead to an overhaul in testing procedure in boxing.

Should have happened after BALCO.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 8:57 pm

This kind of gives me less hope for Bradley vs Pacquiao. I thought that with Bradley giving Peterson a lesson and what Peterson has achieved since perhaps Bradley had a chance.

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 9:04 pm

Just read that the Testosterone Pellets were surgically implanted. You'd think that Lamont would remember something like that.

by manos de piedra Tue 08 May 2012, 9:09 pm

Yeah but is his excuse going to be something like the doctor told me to take these pellets to treat a chest infection or something?

by Pound-for-Pound Tue 08 May 2012, 9:13 pm

I think he pretty much already is saying that but until he was cornered he denied taking anything. I just find it hard to believe he forgot he had a Testosterone Pellet injected. It's not like it was a few tablets after every meal, it's a pretty memorable procedure.

by Ent Tue 08 May 2012, 9:25 pm

Just a thought but he and his team couldn't be so stupid as to request ADA style drug testing whilst he has been taking something!

I cannot comprehend what the backstory to all this will be, it just sounds so ludicrous the whole situation.

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