How And Why Manny Pacquiao Is Going To Lose To Timothy Bradley

by AlexHuckerby Sun 03 Jun 2012, 8:08 pm

Strap yourselves in, this is about to get tedious.

I have carefully analysed this fight as hard as I possibly could, the same way I did with the Mayweather/Cotto fight. I went with Cotto to lose but be very competitive, something not many went for, mildly controversial. (Minor gloating out of the way) Now I'm going for something perhaps a bit more controversial, a Tim Bradley win on June 9th.

Yes Tim, not only will I be sticking it on the line for you, but I will be rooting for you also. So Tim you and that huge head better be on your game, otherwise I'm gonna look an idiot if Manny blasts you away as many are suggesting!!

Now where do I start when analysing this? Well I'll start with one thing, Manny is somewhat over rated in my opinion. An all time great? Yes. An amazing fighter? Yes. One of the most exciting to watch in the ring at this moment in time? Yes. But one dimensional? Also, YES.

The gameplan is there, or the "blueprint" as his arch rival seems to like to call it, has been written on how to beat the Filipino, easy to type out, easy to read out, but much harder to execute in reality, however the blueprint is there.

The fact remains for me, that with Manny he has never decisively beaten a boxer in his prime as in mine and most peoples opinions he didn't beat JMM decisively. Now I'm not suggesting Timothy Bradley is going in with the exact same gameplan, or is going in there to replicate this exactly, or even has the skill and technique to do so, but will use most parts of JMM's type of tactics and mould it around his own style. (I hope.) When Manny faced Erik Morales, Morales used similar tactics to JMM, however he also moulded in his own style and in part through Morales' aggressiveness and warrior-like attitude he fell away from the gameplan somewhat and actually made the fight a lot closer than it could have been, I also think that Morales was slightly past it at this point, nevertheless he still beat Manny, in what is actually one of my favourite ever fights. The second time around Morales in my opinion was weight drained and I think it showed when he couldn't maintain the pace that he set near the beginning which was a similar beginning to the previous fight and Manny was able to break him down due to this.

I think it is also a fair assessment to say that while Sugar Shane Mosley lost a very one sided fight he made Manny look very ordinary in the way he beat him and this was due to Brother Nazim Richardsons tactics for Mosley, while you could say this means nothing as Manny won every round, this was down to the fact that at this stage of his career he was no longer capable of actually putting in a serious fightback and actually throwing back with any real tenacity, a shadow of his former self in the boxing ring if you will. In my opinion a Mosley that could have done what he did defensively with Nazim Richardsons tactics on how to beat Manny Pacquiao and then had the same speed and explosiveness that he did against De La Hoya twice would have been far too much for a Manny Pacquiao and perhaps also the reason that Roach was unwilling to put Manny in the ring with him previous to that before Mosley was schooled by Floyd.

I think we can draw an AWFUL lot from the Marco Antonio Barrera (2nd) fight also. The first fight was pure and simple what it was Barrera having his bum handed to him in a fight that shocked everyone and made everyone sit up and look at this explosive Filipino slugger. Barrera quite literally didn't have an answer for what Manny threw at him, had no idea as to how to handle him was most probably shocked and underestimated Manny and was subsequently taken apart and knocked out due to it. Now we go to the second fight, this fight was staged after the Morales fights and the first Marquez fight and how did he adapt? A very much faded Barrera was able to make it a much closer affair and was able to frustrate and land much more punches than the prime version of Barrera. How did this happen? He used the blueprint that Marquez and Morales had laid down onto him and realised that was what he needed to do to have a chance of beating Manny. Personally I, and most people have the fight much closer than the judges had it, but most certainly Manny won, but was caused lots of problems with the way Barrera was fighting him, a very much aged Barrera take into consideration. I think it is of no coincidence that Barrera was able to somewhat mimic JMM's tactics (Though whilst still using parts of himself) to push him a lot closer when he was much more faded than the prime version that decided to take him head on.

Ok, so is it possible for Timothy Bradley to do something of this note? Well... Possibly, I think Bradley is something of an unknown quantity, at this moment in time, whenever he has been asked the question he has responded and has showed the ability to adapt, so again I say possibly, but I'm putting my faith in Bradley to be able to do so. He seems open minded, a quick thinker, someone that is willing to learn to understand how to beat fighters and with the fact that he has been studying Manny on film ever since the fight as called I can't help feeling he's going to attempt something a little bit specialist.

One other factor is that (And I could be completely wrong) I believe that Manny's heart is no longer 100% in boxing whilst Bradleys is in with question. What does this mean? Well from my own experience, it's not always the person that's the most talented that can win, it's sometimes the smarter man that understands what he has to do and is absolutely determined to do so. I see Bradley like that for this fight, completely determined, loves being the underdog and so badly wants to prove everyone wrong and is willing to go to other places that others aren't to do so. I think the main difference being Manny is perhaps, not necessarily tired of being at the top, but perhaps comfortable at the top and maybe not as prepared to go into a real tussle whereas I think Bradley is relishing the challenge to go at the big guys at the top and really wants to test his boxing ability with genuine belief that he can do it.

Mental strength!!

Possible things:

Cuts, Manny is slightly susceptible to them and with the styles of Bradley occassionally coming in head first and Manny with in and in and out Southpaw style heads could be banging together all night. Bradley, with his *Ahem* oddly shaped head seems to never come off worse in this respect and Manny has tended to panic when cut before. Strange to talk about a great fighter that panics when he sees his own blood, but it is true.

Bradleys chin and Mannys power. Well Bradley without doubt has a fantastic chin and showed incredible powers of recovery when decked by Kendall Holt and came back much stronger, can he take Manny's power?

Ok, it's not all 100% scientific and there's not always an actual one blatant reason as to why Bradley should win, but piecing it all together in my view I really feel as though Bradley has a terrific chance and am officially picking him to eek out a result. I'm unsure as to whether it's more hope than anything but Tim my faith is in you!

What say you people?

by azania Sun 03 Jun 2012, 8:11 pm

Manny in 10.

by BoxingFan88 Sun 03 Jun 2012, 8:13 pm

I don't think Bradley has the power and he has been down several times in fights. His aggression in this fight will be his undoing and I see Pacquiao stopping him. Unless he shows something entirely different than what he has before its got Pacquiao by KO written all over it.

Manny's speed will be too much and with bradley moving up in weight I don't think he can take the power.

by AlexHuckerby Sun 03 Jun 2012, 8:15 pm

azania wrote:Manny in 10.

We'll see!! thumbsup

by azania Sun 03 Jun 2012, 8:28 pm

The only way I can see Tim winning is on cuts and we know how that will happen. A Tim win would be bad for boxing also. The guy is as boring as dishwater inside and outside the ring.

by paperbag_puncher Sun 03 Jun 2012, 8:28 pm

You've certainly changed your tune. I remember doing an article on how I thought Bradley could cause an upset and you were very pro Manny and gave Bradley little hope. Haven't had time to read the article it being bank holiday Sunday but looks good and I'll read it tomorrow.

by AlexHuckerby Sun 03 Jun 2012, 8:58 pm

paperbag_puncher wrote:You've certainly changed your tune. I remember doing an article on how I thought Bradley could cause an upset and you were very pro Manny and gave Bradley little hope. Haven't had time to read the article it being bank holiday Sunday but looks good and I'll read it tomorrow.

I certainly have, I watched the first 24/7 Episode and realised how little Manny was talking about boxing so I decided to seriously dig in deep and do some real analysis as when I posted on your article I had basically scratched the surface on Tim and now I have a much wider perspective and understanding of him. So I've done a complete 180 (Which I think is fine to do!) and I'm going with Tim.

by AlexHuckerby Sun 03 Jun 2012, 9:00 pm

azania wrote:The only way I can see Tim winning is on cuts and we know how that will happen. A Tim win would be bad for boxing also. The guy is as boring as dishwater inside and outside the ring.

Not all too sure on that to be honest. To me anyway Tim has come across really well and I genuinely like him a lot now and comes across a real genuine guy. Sometimes I think we may need a balance between the ridiculous and flashy with the real and down to earth guys, Tim has turned out to me to be a real interesting character.

by azania Sun 03 Jun 2012, 9:04 pm

He may be down to earth, but inside the ring he is also boring. Stunk a few places out and can't shift 2500 seats in his home town.

by azumah HOF Mon 04 Jun 2012, 9:54 am

Yes Tim has a real good shot here!!! but he must do 2 things! Firstly he must do what Marquz does against Manny which is counter and time, looking to step on that southpaw lead foot all the time. He must also work Manny's body when he gets the chance, i have maintained that Manny's body is a weak spot its just that ppl dont have a game plan to get to it.
Lastly the mentality has to be raw dog.... its got to be a Marvin Hagler 'war' mentality! Its got to be coz he will get hurt in this fight!!!

by Guest Mon 04 Jun 2012, 10:47 am

Said a while back that Manny is there for the taking but I wasn't usre if BRadley woul be the man for the job. Mentally he's losing his love for the game which I think is a major factor in any fighter's continued sucess whereas Bradley still has that hunger and drive.

Bradley's best chance (and ironically his potential downfall) will be his drive. He needs to be relentless (a bit like Froch the other week...but cuter and slicker) but Manny does like a fighter who comes to him so Bradley needs to be be careful. He' been dropped a few times but he's shown that desire to get up and keep going. If possible, he needs to try and rough Manny up on the inside, maybe get a little "careless" with his head (don't try this at home kids)

I think Bradley has a very good chance but unless he makes it clear he's winning rounds on the cards he's going to get shafted cos if Marquez can't get the nod against Pac then Timmy won't either. The JMM fight showed that the aim is still to get Mayweather in the ring but like many, I really couldn't care less these days and part of me would love to see a Bradley shaped spanner thrown in the works.

by azania Mon 04 Jun 2012, 12:14 pm

On the back of the Mosely no show and a fighter who arguably has his number, many are now saying that Manny is slowing down. JMM is a top quality operator and Shane came to survive. Just because Manny did not blow them away as he did The Cheater doesn't mean he's off the boil. Cheater stood there to be hit. Mosely hid and JJM knows how to fight Manny.

Manny is not off the boil.

by azumah HOF Mon 04 Jun 2012, 12:20 pm

DAVE667 wrote:Said a while back that Manny is there for the taking but I wasn't usre if BRadley woul be the man for the job. Mentally he's losing his love for the game which I think is a major factor in any fighter's continued sucess whereas Bradley still has that hunger and drive.

Bradley's best chance (and ironically his potential downfall) will be his drive. He needs to be relentless (a bit like Froch the other week...but cuter and slicker) but Manny does like a fighter who comes to him so Bradley needs to be be careful. He' been dropped a few times but he's shown that desire to get up and keep going. If possible, he needs to try and rough Manny up on the inside, maybe get a little "careless" with his head (don't try this at home kids)

I think Bradley has a very good chance but unless he makes it clear he's winning rounds on the cards he's going to get shafted cos if Marquez can't get the nod against Pac then Timmy won't either. The JMM fight showed that the aim is still to get Mayweather in the ring but like many, I really couldn't care less these days and part of me would love to see a Bradley shaped spanner thrown in the works.

if Tim comes at Manny in first 6 to 7 rounds he is done !!! End off!

by azania Mon 04 Jun 2012, 12:22 pm

azumah HOF wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Said a while back that Manny is there for the taking but I wasn't usre if BRadley woul be the man for the job. Mentally he's losing his love for the game which I think is a major factor in any fighter's continued sucess whereas Bradley still has that hunger and drive.

Bradley's best chance (and ironically his potential downfall) will be his drive. He needs to be relentless (a bit like Froch the other week...but cuter and slicker) but Manny does like a fighter who comes to him so Bradley needs to be be careful. He' been dropped a few times but he's shown that desire to get up and keep going. If possible, he needs to try and rough Manny up on the inside, maybe get a little "careless" with his head (don't try this at home kids)

I think Bradley has a very good chance but unless he makes it clear he's winning rounds on the cards he's going to get shafted cos if Marquez can't get the nod against Pac then Timmy won't either. The JMM fight showed that the aim is still to get Mayweather in the ring but like many, I really couldn't care less these days and part of me would love to see a Bradley shaped spanner thrown in the works.

if Tim comes at Manny in first 6 to 7 rounds he is done !!! End off!

Absolutely. Tim has to circle away from Manny's lest and hope to counter when Manny comes in as he will. But Tim has never fought anyone as relentless and as quick as Manny and I doubt he is as good a counter puncher as JMM. Manny in 10 or less.

by azumah HOF Mon 04 Jun 2012, 12:28 pm

azania wrote:
azumah HOF wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Said a while back that Manny is there for the taking but I wasn't usre if BRadley woul be the man for the job. Mentally he's losing his love for the game which I think is a major factor in any fighter's continued sucess whereas Bradley still has that hunger and drive.

Bradley's best chance (and ironically his potential downfall) will be his drive. He needs to be relentless (a bit like Froch the other week...but cuter and slicker) but Manny does like a fighter who comes to him so Bradley needs to be be careful. He' been dropped a few times but he's shown that desire to get up and keep going. If possible, he needs to try and rough Manny up on the inside, maybe get a little "careless" with his head (don't try this at home kids)

I think Bradley has a very good chance but unless he makes it clear he's winning rounds on the cards he's going to get shafted cos if Marquez can't get the nod against Pac then Timmy won't either. The JMM fight showed that the aim is still to get Mayweather in the ring but like many, I really couldn't care less these days and part of me would love to see a Bradley shaped spanner thrown in the works.

ACTUALLY i feel that Tim is a seriously underestimated counter puncher his speed whilst not express is also very good... as good as Marquez but timing not speed is the key here!
also what is being overlooked is that Manny is vulnerable to a good right hand lead... what is perhaps Tims best punch... the right hand lead!!! if he stays focused and tight defensively this could be a shock!!!

if Tim comes at Manny in first 6 to 7 rounds he is done !!! End off!

Absolutely. Tim has to circle away from Manny's lest and hope to counter when Manny comes in as he will. But Tim has never fought anyone as relentless and as quick as Manny and I doubt he is as good a counter puncher as JMM. Manny in 10 or less.

by Guest Mon 04 Jun 2012, 12:30 pm

Bradley's nowhere near as good a counterpuncher as Marquez who showed the blueprint for how to beat Pac. However, Marquez was also able to mix it up and get out of range after having the last of the exchanges. If Bradley stays away for six or seven rounds, how do you think he's going to do enough to beat Manny in the final five or six rounds? Mosley showed that Manny was virtually clueless once he stayed on the outside but of course, Shane was unable to do anything to win rounds.

Timmy has to get in and trade then get out again, there's no way on God's green Earth that Bradley wins this from the outside. Even if he does "win" it on the outside, he's not getting the decision.

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Mon 04 Jun 2012, 12:32 pm

Tim is pretty smart fighter I think that saying that he will do a 'Hatton' is a little off

He has good head movement and looks for opportunities. Doesn't have the power to hurt pacquiao but has pretty quick hands.

He needs to just pump right hands both to the body and head but do it with faints. He need to draw leads from pacquiao and most importantly needs to throw straight punches. He can be very wild at times which means nanny can counter.

Bradley is a pretty decent body puncher so if pacquiao has problems with his legs again then body punches could trouble him

by azumah HOF Mon 04 Jun 2012, 12:38 pm

DAVE667 wrote:Bradley's nowhere near as good a counterpuncher as Marquez who showed the blueprint for how to beat Pac. However, Marquez was also able to mix it up and get out of range after having the last of the exchanges. If Bradley stays away for six or seven rounds, how do you think he's going to do enough to beat Manny in the final five or six rounds? Mosley showed that Manny was virtually clueless once he stayed on the outside but of course, Shane was unable to do anything to win rounds.

Timmy has to get in and trade then get out again, there's no way on God's green Earth that Bradley wins this from the outside. Even if he does "win" it on the outside, he's not getting the decision.

Nobody said stay away first 6.... think isaid he cant get into a trade off or war in first 6! He has to be the couter puncher first 6 and look to keep pac off balnce with ring smarts... i.e great foot work, stepping on that southpaw lead and keeping that right foot of pac insde his left foot, and looking to use the jab and counter as main weapons!
if manny gets on inside get dirty... ny the mid rounds start looking for Manny's body, Marg has shown he has vulnerability there down the stretch. the time to pick this up re: high volume and trade offs is post round 7, and Tim has the gas to do this!

by azania Mon 04 Jun 2012, 12:40 pm

DAVE667 wrote:Bradley's nowhere near as good a counterpuncher as Marquez who showed the blueprint for how to beat Pac. However, Marquez was also able to mix it up and get out of range after having the last of the exchanges. If Bradley stays away for six or seven rounds, how do you think he's going to do enough to beat Manny in the final five or six rounds? Mosley showed that Manny was virtually clueless once he stayed on the outside but of course, Shane was unable to do anything to win rounds.

Timmy has to get in and trade then get out again, there's no way on God's green Earth that Bradley wins this from the outside. Even if he does "win" it on the outside, he's not getting the decision.

Actually I feel Clottey showed the blueprint how to beat Manny. Tight defense and counter. Just that Clottey didn't ppunch enough. Every time he did he caught Manny.

But Clottey was huge and Tim is not. Perhaps more skilled but not as tight defensively or as strong to take Manny's punches.

Shane wasn't unable to do anything because Manny didn't allow him to do anything.

by eddyfightfan Mon 04 Jun 2012, 2:52 pm

i agree, i think mannys time has come, not seen anything like his old form in last couple of fights and bradley looks hungry for it.

by jammin Wed 06 Jun 2012, 11:13 am

JMM, Barerra and Morales gave Pacquiao problems because they were supremely good technically to first nullify pacman and then they kept working like spider spinning a web. Every jab, lead and combination was done to a suberb workrate. Work, work, work. The mexican way.

Bradley is awkward and determined but I don't think he has the technical nous to first nullify Pacman even though he is determined enough to work. If he did, I would say Mr Huckerby's prediction would be valid.

I cant shake off watching him against Devon Alexander, I thought he was pretty awful that fight.

Manny points - UD.

by **Fists of Fury** Wed 06 Jun 2012, 11:26 am

Pacquiao never beaten a boxer in his prime? Utter guff, Alex.

Choosing to forget the Barrera victory? And he beat Marquez, too, whether you think so or not.

I think Bradley has a very good chance against Pacquiao at this stage of his career, and wouldn't be surprised to see a close decision either way, but please don't jump on the over-rated bandwagon now that Manny hasn't look unstoppable in his last two fights of a 50-something fight career. The idiots and halfwits do that.

by azania Wed 06 Jun 2012, 12:08 pm

Add a prime and unbeaten (at 140) Hatton.

by OasisBFC Wed 06 Jun 2012, 12:40 pm

azania wrote:Add a prime and unbeaten (at 140) Hatton.

hatton was no where near his prime against manny. he had a good win against malignaggi, yes. but hatton could walk through his punches.

by OasisBFC Wed 06 Jun 2012, 12:40 pm

after watching the 24/7 series, i'd love to see bradley win.

by **Fists of Fury** Wed 06 Jun 2012, 12:42 pm

Hatton was prime enough, and the fight was at his optimum weight.

Oasis, why would you love to see Bradley win? He takes the boring God nonsense even further than Manny! I wouldn't be surprised if they just held a mass as opposed to an actual fight once they stepped through the ropes.

by mobilemaster8 Wed 06 Jun 2012, 1:05 pm

I want Bradley to win. I think we may be in for another contraversy if im honest. I can see a compelling fight in which Bradley steals it, but is shafted by Arum on all scored cards in order to set up another "steal" in the 4th version of the Great Marquez Robbery. Its becoming tedious really in the fact that when Pacman fights genuine counter puncher/prime/decent boxers over the past few years, its either by a catch weight or a dodgy decision.

Roll on Bradley.

by DaveVDK Wed 06 Jun 2012, 2:38 pm

Im going with Bradley UD, I also think this will be a very entertaining fight, the "Bradley is a boring fighter" is what we hear often and i really dont why, he comes forward relentlessly and throws alot of punches, as does Pacquiao, I think the style will gel together well.

by AlexHuckerby Wed 06 Jun 2012, 2:46 pm

Fists of Fury wrote:Pacquiao never beaten a boxer in his prime? Utter guff, Alex.

Choosing to forget the Barrera victory? And he beat Marquez, too, whether you think so or not.

I think Bradley has a very good chance against Pacquiao at this stage of his career, and wouldn't be surprised to see a close decision either way, but please don't jump on the over-rated bandwagon now that Manny hasn't look unstoppable in his last two fights of a 50-something fight career. The idiots and halfwits do that.

Think yo've misread Fists, what I said was [/b]Pacquiao has never decisively beaten a boxer in his prime using JMMs tactics[/b]

by azania Wed 06 Jun 2012, 2:48 pm

OasisBFC wrote:
azania wrote:Add a prime and unbeaten (at 140) Hatton.

hatton was no where near his prime against manny. he had a good win against malignaggi, yes. but hatton could walk through his punches.

Everyone's an expert......after the event. Hatton was unbeaten at 140. Coming into the fight he had an excellent win against Paulie. Many picked him to win due to size differences and were giving Floyd snr credit for making him a better fight as displayed against Paulie.

5 minutes later it wasn't a prime Hatton because Manny assaulted him badly.

by azania Wed 06 Jun 2012, 2:50 pm

Styles make fight etc. Pac has a very exciting style and is hardly in a chess match type of fight. This will be a good fight.

by AlexHuckerby Wed 06 Jun 2012, 2:53 pm

azania wrote:Styles make fight etc. Pac has a very exciting style and is hardly in a chess match type of fight. This will be a good fight.

So more fights you haven't watched Az.... Shocker.

by OasisBFC Wed 06 Jun 2012, 3:01 pm

Fists of Fury wrote:Hatton was prime enough, and the fight was at his optimum weight.

Oasis, why would you love to see Bradley win? He takes the boring God nonsense even further than Manny! I wouldn't be surprised if they just held a mass as opposed to an actual fight once they stepped through the ropes.

to me he was a couple of years past his prime and the lazcano performance wasn't something the number one light welter should be doing. however, I wasn't saying that at the time and regard his win over hatton as one of his best, along with cotto. he should receive credit for it.

to answer your question about bradley. i find manny dull and he's played the good boy of boxing as the alternate to floyds devil. when in reality manny surrounded himself with a group of hangers on and ended up with a huge ego. he admits being a womanizer when he's got a wife and kids at home. the gambling and drinking don't bother me, but he played the goody two shoes for too long.

then he blames all of this on his performance to marquez. just admit someone has your number. at the time he was said to be training harder than ever because he had a point to prove. this came from roach who doesnt mince his words so manny doesnt have an excuse but is blaming his lifestyle on someone fighting a very good fight against him. that to me is bad sportsmanship. not the work of a gentleman which manny was supposed to be.

and now 'god spoke to him' and suddenly he's a good human being again.

whereas bradley - who im not a fan of and find his style boring - comes across as a true family man with a great connection with his dad and he has raised his wife's kids. moe importantly he trains like an animal and has true self belief. i gave him stick for dodging khan but it was obvious he was going past khan to the manny fight.

if bradley wins we wont see the fight we want to see - but it would mean mayweather would have won anyway. styles make fights and all that, but i cant see bradley doing something mayweather can't.

by AlexHuckerby Wed 06 Jun 2012, 3:07 pm

OasisBFC wrote:
Fists of Fury wrote:Hatton was prime enough, and the fight was at his optimum weight.

Oasis, why would you love to see Bradley win? He takes the boring God nonsense even further than Manny! I wouldn't be surprised if they just held a mass as opposed to an actual fight once they stepped through the ropes.

to me he was a couple of years past his prime and the lazcano performance wasn't something the number one light welter should be doing. however, I wasn't saying that at the time and regard his win over hatton as one of his best, along with cotto. he should receive credit for it.

to answer your question about bradley. i find manny dull and he's played the good boy of boxing as the alternate to floyds devil. when in reality manny surrounded himself with a group of hangers on and ended up with a huge ego. he admits being a womanizer when he's got a wife and kids at home. the gambling and drinking don't bother me, but he played the goody two shoes for too long.

then he blames all of this on his performance to marquez. just admit someone has your number. at the time he was said to be training harder than ever because he had a point to prove. this came from roach who
doesnt mince his words so manny doesnt have an excuse but is blaming his lifestyle on someone fighting a very good fight against him. that to me is bad sportsmanship. not the work of a gentleman which manny was supposed to be.

and now 'god spoke to him' and suddenly he's a good human being again.

whereas bradley - who im not a fan of and find his style boring - comes across as a true family man with a great connection with his dad and he has raised his wife's kids. moe importantly he trains like an animal and has true self belief. i gave him stick for dodging khan but it was obvious he was going past khan to the manny fight.

if bradley wins we wont see the fight we want to see - but it would mean mayweather would have won anyway. styles make fights and all that, but i cant see bradley doing something mayweather can't.

Completely agree to be honest.

by Guest Wed 06 Jun 2012, 4:56 pm

[quote="azania"]

OasisBFC wrote:
azania wrote:Add a prime and unbeaten (at 140) Hatton.

hatton was no where near his prime against manny. he had a good win against malignaggi, yes. but hatton could walk through his punches.

Everyone's an expert......after the event. Hatton was unbeaten at 140. Coming into the fight he had an excellent win against Paulie. Many picked him to win due to size differences and were giving Floyd snr credit for making him a better fight as displayed against Paulie.

5 minutes later it wasn't a prime Hatton because Manny assaulted him badly.[/quote]

I totally agree with that. I think only 2 or 3 people on the old 606 picked Manny to beat Hatton, I thought it would be a difficult fight for Hatton but never saw that coming.

by Guest Wed 06 Jun 2012, 5:01 pm

AlexHuckerby wrote:
Fists of Fury wrote:Pacquiao never beaten a boxer in his prime? Utter guff, Alex.

Choosing to forget the Barrera victory? And he beat Marquez, too, whether you think so or not.

I think Bradley has a very good chance against Pacquiao at this stage of his career, and wouldn't be surprised to see a close decision either way, but please don't jump on the over-rated bandwagon now that Manny hasn't look unstoppable in his last two fights of a 50-something fight career. The idiots and halfwits do that.

Think yo've misread Fists, what I said was [/b]Pacquiao has never decisively beaten a boxer in his prime using JMMs tactics

[/b]

So what you're saying is he has never beaten a prime JMM or we could say he's never decisively lost to a boxer in his prime using JMM's tactics.

by JabMachineMK2 Wed 06 Jun 2012, 5:12 pm

I saw Hatton beating Pacquiao.

Nobody expected Pacquiao to do that to Hatton. How could you? He'd shown an iron chin, heart, strength, determination - everything. Hatton was over rated in my eyes, but it was the fight that made everyone over here stand up and take notice of Pacquiao. He had wins over De La Hoya and Barrera that we all knew about, but we all expected Ricky to walk through the little mans punches.

How wrong we were.

Bradley is of the same ilk. People looking at him as being "tough" and "skillful" (?) but what they don't realise is that these fighters are made for Pacquiao. Marquez always gives Pacquiao fits because he's a master of the ring. picks his punches, throws at angles, counters brilliantly. Things Bradley doesn't do.

Don't get me wrong, brilliant bloke, done well so far - but seriously.....people are being silly.

If Bradley wins this fight, I will post a video of me eating my own boxing gloves.

by Guest Wed 06 Jun 2012, 5:20 pm

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I saw Hatton beating Pacquiao.

Nobody expected Pacquiao to do that to Hatton. How could you? He'd shown an iron chin, heart, strength, determination - everything. Hatton was over rated in my eyes, but it was the fight that made everyone over here stand up and take notice of Pacquiao. He had wins over De La Hoya and Barrera that we all knew about, but we all expected Ricky to walk through the little mans punches.

How wrong we were.

Bradley is of the same ilk. People looking at him as being "tough" and "skillful" (?) but what they don't realise is that these fighters are made for Pacquiao. Marquez always gives Pacquiao fits because he's a master of the ring. picks his punches, throws at angles, counters brilliantly. Things Bradley doesn't do.

Don't get me wrong, brilliant bloke, done well so far - but seriously.....people are being silly.

If Bradley wins this fight, I will post a video of me eating my own boxing gloves.

Loaded ones by any chance? Makes it much safer that way!

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 06 Jun 2012, 6:19 pm

Cannot see how a plodder like Bradley beats manny!!!!........

Manny will just go in and out and bust him up.....

People seem to be reading too much into the fact Marquez has given Manny problems and forget what a schooled, cunning old pro Marquez is!!!

Bradley lacks class and cunning and whilst he is a good honest pro is he really any better than COTTO.......????????.

Fact is and the op forgets this...........Is that Manny has seen it and beat it all before Oscar, Morales, Hatton,Cotto Barrera etc etc ....

Bradley has never beaten anybody near Manny's class......

Also the intimidation factor...Manny is used to huge fights and events..Bradley isn't!!

Manny by one sided points decision.......

by azania Wed 06 Jun 2012, 6:41 pm

[quote="sohotnot"]

azania wrote:
OasisBFC wrote:
azania wrote:Add a prime and unbeaten (at 140) Hatton.

hatton was no where near his prime against manny. he had a good win against malignaggi, yes. but hatton could walk through his punches.

Everyone's an expert......after the event. Hatton was unbeaten at 140. Coming into the fight he had an excellent win against Paulie. Many picked him to win due to size differences and were giving Floyd snr credit for making him a better fight as displayed against Paulie.

5 minutes later it wasn't a prime Hatton because Manny assaulted him badly.[/quote]

I totally agree with that. I think only 2 or 3 people on the old 606 picked Manny to beat Hatton, I thought it would be a difficult fight for Hatton but never saw that coming.

I had Hatton beating Manny. I too thought he would be too big and strong and would bully Manny and walk through his punches. Hatton tried to walk through his punches and couldn't.

by OasisBFC Wed 06 Jun 2012, 9:44 pm

sohotnot wrote: I think only 2 or 3 people on the old 606 picked Manny to beat Hatton, I thought it would be a difficult fight for Hatton but never saw that coming.

really?? hatton was the bookies under dog and most experts had manny winning all day long. i won a bit of cash with that fight as well. i thought hatton could do it, and i really wanted him to, but i didnt think he would, hence betting against him like i did with mayweather.

but i completely agree that hindsight is a wonderful thing. hatton was a good match up at the time, especially considering we didnt know how good manny could be at growing into the weights.

by Guest Wed 06 Jun 2012, 9:54 pm

OasisBFC wrote:
sohotnot wrote: I think only 2 or 3 people on the old 606 picked Manny to beat Hatton, I thought it would be a difficult fight for Hatton but never saw that coming.

really?? hatton was the bookies under dog and most experts had manny winning all day long. i won a bit of cash with that fight as well. i thought hatton could do it, and i really wanted him to, but i didnt think he would, hence betting against him like i did with mayweather.

but i completely agree that hindsight is a wonderful thing. hatton was a good match up at the time, especially considering we didnt know how good manny could be at growing into the weights.

Yes really, the bookies & most experts stateside all had Manny as favorite but not most of the old 606, most will admit it as well.

by OasisBFC Wed 06 Jun 2012, 10:00 pm

when then shame on them because now most of them claim he wasn't that good.
it's current theme on here - when a fighter loses, he was never any good in the first place. quite fickle on fact!

by Guest Wed 06 Jun 2012, 10:12 pm

OasisBFC wrote:when then shame on them because now most of them claim he wasn't that good.
it's current theme on here - when a fighter loses, he was never any good in the first place. quite fickle on fact!

It is & what I said has also been brought up before when discussing Hatton being shot & fighting the wrong fight, with having a poor training camp etc. People need to justify with hindsight it seems. Also you must remember we are talking Manny here who only fights weight drained, past it or never very good in the first place opponents & is possibly juicing even if the juice isn't any advantage in boxing, but he's still doing it anyway. Also Hatton would've/could've beaten PBF if it hadn't been for Cortez not allowing him to wrestle, hit & hold whilst letting PBF use the forearm on his face & docking Hatton a point. Yep heard all this through various means & media in the days after the fight, different story now though.

by AlexHuckerby Sun 10 Jun 2012, 6:16 am

Feel like a genius, had it 115-114 SO close could have gone either way, the commentators were on crack! Manny was so out of shape he looked gassed midway to me, could have gone either way, cant just win the round in 30 seconds, what you guys have it??

by azania Sun 10 Jun 2012, 6:23 am

Don't pat yourself on the back mate. It was a robbery. Manny won by a distance.

by manos de piedra Sun 10 Jun 2012, 6:23 am

Didnt think Bradley won. Fight went kind of as I expected but just scored it differently to the judges. Bradley is a good fighter who I think has been underrated. I expected him to cause Pacquiao problems. But saying that, Pacquiao did enough to win for me.

by AlexHuckerby Sun 10 Jun 2012, 6:24 am

How??

by TopHat24/7 Sun 10 Jun 2012, 6:24 am

smug git lol

by azania Sun 10 Jun 2012, 6:25 am

Coz manny won more rounds than Tim. Threw more and landed more per round. Power punches included.

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