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How And Why Manny Pacquiao Is Going To Lose To Timothy Bradley
First topic message reminder :
Strap yourselves in, this is about to get tedious.
I have carefully analysed this fight as hard as I possibly could, the same way I did with the Mayweather/Cotto fight. I went with Cotto to lose but be very competitive, something not many went for, mildly controversial. (Minor gloating out of the way) Now I'm going for something perhaps a bit more controversial, a Tim Bradley win on June 9th.
Yes Tim, not only will I be sticking it on the line for you, but I will be rooting for you also. So Tim you and that huge head better be on your game, otherwise I'm gonna look an idiot if Manny blasts you away as many are suggesting!!
Now where do I start when analysing this? Well I'll start with one thing, Manny is somewhat over rated in my opinion. An all time great? Yes. An amazing fighter? Yes. One of the most exciting to watch in the ring at this moment in time? Yes. But one dimensional? Also, YES.
The gameplan is there, or the "blueprint" as his arch rival seems to like to call it, has been written on how to beat the Filipino, easy to type out, easy to read out, but much harder to execute in reality, however the blueprint is there.
The fact remains for me, that with Manny he has never decisively beaten a boxer in his prime as in mine and most peoples opinions he didn't beat JMM decisively. Now I'm not suggesting Timothy Bradley is going in with the exact same gameplan, or is going in there to replicate this exactly, or even has the skill and technique to do so, but will use most parts of JMM's type of tactics and mould it around his own style. (I hope.) When Manny faced Erik Morales, Morales used similar tactics to JMM, however he also moulded in his own style and in part through Morales' aggressiveness and warrior-like attitude he fell away from the gameplan somewhat and actually made the fight a lot closer than it could have been, I also think that Morales was slightly past it at this point, nevertheless he still beat Manny, in what is actually one of my favourite ever fights. The second time around Morales in my opinion was weight drained and I think it showed when he couldn't maintain the pace that he set near the beginning which was a similar beginning to the previous fight and Manny was able to break him down due to this.
I think it is also a fair assessment to say that while Sugar Shane Mosley lost a very one sided fight he made Manny look very ordinary in the way he beat him and this was due to Brother Nazim Richardsons tactics for Mosley, while you could say this means nothing as Manny won every round, this was down to the fact that at this stage of his career he was no longer capable of actually putting in a serious fightback and actually throwing back with any real tenacity, a shadow of his former self in the boxing ring if you will. In my opinion a Mosley that could have done what he did defensively with Nazim Richardsons tactics on how to beat Manny Pacquiao and then had the same speed and explosiveness that he did against De La Hoya twice would have been far too much for a Manny Pacquiao and perhaps also the reason that Roach was unwilling to put Manny in the ring with him previous to that before Mosley was schooled by Floyd.
I think we can draw an AWFUL lot from the Marco Antonio Barrera (2nd) fight also. The first fight was pure and simple what it was Barrera having his bum handed to him in a fight that shocked everyone and made everyone sit up and look at this explosive Filipino slugger. Barrera quite literally didn't have an answer for what Manny threw at him, had no idea as to how to handle him was most probably shocked and underestimated Manny and was subsequently taken apart and knocked out due to it. Now we go to the second fight, this fight was staged after the Morales fights and the first Marquez fight and how did he adapt? A very much faded Barrera was able to make it a much closer affair and was able to frustrate and land much more punches than the prime version of Barrera. How did this happen? He used the blueprint that Marquez and Morales had laid down onto him and realised that was what he needed to do to have a chance of beating Manny. Personally I, and most people have the fight much closer than the judges had it, but most certainly Manny won, but was caused lots of problems with the way Barrera was fighting him, a very much aged Barrera take into consideration. I think it is of no coincidence that Barrera was able to somewhat mimic JMM's tactics (Though whilst still using parts of himself) to push him a lot closer when he was much more faded than the prime version that decided to take him head on.
Ok, so is it possible for Timothy Bradley to do something of this note? Well... Possibly, I think Bradley is something of an unknown quantity, at this moment in time, whenever he has been asked the question he has responded and has showed the ability to adapt, so again I say possibly, but I'm putting my faith in Bradley to be able to do so. He seems open minded, a quick thinker, someone that is willing to learn to understand how to beat fighters and with the fact that he has been studying Manny on film ever since the fight as called I can't help feeling he's going to attempt something a little bit specialist.
One other factor is that (And I could be completely wrong) I believe that Manny's heart is no longer 100% in boxing whilst Bradleys is in with question. What does this mean? Well from my own experience, it's not always the person that's the most talented that can win, it's sometimes the smarter man that understands what he has to do and is absolutely determined to do so. I see Bradley like that for this fight, completely determined, loves being the underdog and so badly wants to prove everyone wrong and is willing to go to other places that others aren't to do so. I think the main difference being Manny is perhaps, not necessarily tired of being at the top, but perhaps comfortable at the top and maybe not as prepared to go into a real tussle whereas I think Bradley is relishing the challenge to go at the big guys at the top and really wants to test his boxing ability with genuine belief that he can do it.
Mental strength!!
Possible things:
Cuts, Manny is slightly susceptible to them and with the styles of Bradley occassionally coming in head first and Manny with in and in and out Southpaw style heads could be banging together all night. Bradley, with his *Ahem* oddly shaped head seems to never come off worse in this respect and Manny has tended to panic when cut before. Strange to talk about a great fighter that panics when he sees his own blood, but it is true.
Bradleys chin and Mannys power. Well Bradley without doubt has a fantastic chin and showed incredible powers of recovery when decked by Kendall Holt and came back much stronger, can he take Manny's power?
Ok, it's not all 100% scientific and there's not always an actual one blatant reason as to why Bradley should win, but piecing it all together in my view I really feel as though Bradley has a terrific chance and am officially picking him to eek out a result. I'm unsure as to whether it's more hope than anything but Tim my faith is in you!
What say you people?
Strap yourselves in, this is about to get tedious.
I have carefully analysed this fight as hard as I possibly could, the same way I did with the Mayweather/Cotto fight. I went with Cotto to lose but be very competitive, something not many went for, mildly controversial. (Minor gloating out of the way) Now I'm going for something perhaps a bit more controversial, a Tim Bradley win on June 9th.
Yes Tim, not only will I be sticking it on the line for you, but I will be rooting for you also. So Tim you and that huge head better be on your game, otherwise I'm gonna look an idiot if Manny blasts you away as many are suggesting!!
Now where do I start when analysing this? Well I'll start with one thing, Manny is somewhat over rated in my opinion. An all time great? Yes. An amazing fighter? Yes. One of the most exciting to watch in the ring at this moment in time? Yes. But one dimensional? Also, YES.
The gameplan is there, or the "blueprint" as his arch rival seems to like to call it, has been written on how to beat the Filipino, easy to type out, easy to read out, but much harder to execute in reality, however the blueprint is there.
The fact remains for me, that with Manny he has never decisively beaten a boxer in his prime as in mine and most peoples opinions he didn't beat JMM decisively. Now I'm not suggesting Timothy Bradley is going in with the exact same gameplan, or is going in there to replicate this exactly, or even has the skill and technique to do so, but will use most parts of JMM's type of tactics and mould it around his own style. (I hope.) When Manny faced Erik Morales, Morales used similar tactics to JMM, however he also moulded in his own style and in part through Morales' aggressiveness and warrior-like attitude he fell away from the gameplan somewhat and actually made the fight a lot closer than it could have been, I also think that Morales was slightly past it at this point, nevertheless he still beat Manny, in what is actually one of my favourite ever fights. The second time around Morales in my opinion was weight drained and I think it showed when he couldn't maintain the pace that he set near the beginning which was a similar beginning to the previous fight and Manny was able to break him down due to this.
I think it is also a fair assessment to say that while Sugar Shane Mosley lost a very one sided fight he made Manny look very ordinary in the way he beat him and this was due to Brother Nazim Richardsons tactics for Mosley, while you could say this means nothing as Manny won every round, this was down to the fact that at this stage of his career he was no longer capable of actually putting in a serious fightback and actually throwing back with any real tenacity, a shadow of his former self in the boxing ring if you will. In my opinion a Mosley that could have done what he did defensively with Nazim Richardsons tactics on how to beat Manny Pacquiao and then had the same speed and explosiveness that he did against De La Hoya twice would have been far too much for a Manny Pacquiao and perhaps also the reason that Roach was unwilling to put Manny in the ring with him previous to that before Mosley was schooled by Floyd.
I think we can draw an AWFUL lot from the Marco Antonio Barrera (2nd) fight also. The first fight was pure and simple what it was Barrera having his bum handed to him in a fight that shocked everyone and made everyone sit up and look at this explosive Filipino slugger. Barrera quite literally didn't have an answer for what Manny threw at him, had no idea as to how to handle him was most probably shocked and underestimated Manny and was subsequently taken apart and knocked out due to it. Now we go to the second fight, this fight was staged after the Morales fights and the first Marquez fight and how did he adapt? A very much faded Barrera was able to make it a much closer affair and was able to frustrate and land much more punches than the prime version of Barrera. How did this happen? He used the blueprint that Marquez and Morales had laid down onto him and realised that was what he needed to do to have a chance of beating Manny. Personally I, and most people have the fight much closer than the judges had it, but most certainly Manny won, but was caused lots of problems with the way Barrera was fighting him, a very much aged Barrera take into consideration. I think it is of no coincidence that Barrera was able to somewhat mimic JMM's tactics (Though whilst still using parts of himself) to push him a lot closer when he was much more faded than the prime version that decided to take him head on.
Ok, so is it possible for Timothy Bradley to do something of this note? Well... Possibly, I think Bradley is something of an unknown quantity, at this moment in time, whenever he has been asked the question he has responded and has showed the ability to adapt, so again I say possibly, but I'm putting my faith in Bradley to be able to do so. He seems open minded, a quick thinker, someone that is willing to learn to understand how to beat fighters and with the fact that he has been studying Manny on film ever since the fight as called I can't help feeling he's going to attempt something a little bit specialist.
One other factor is that (And I could be completely wrong) I believe that Manny's heart is no longer 100% in boxing whilst Bradleys is in with question. What does this mean? Well from my own experience, it's not always the person that's the most talented that can win, it's sometimes the smarter man that understands what he has to do and is absolutely determined to do so. I see Bradley like that for this fight, completely determined, loves being the underdog and so badly wants to prove everyone wrong and is willing to go to other places that others aren't to do so. I think the main difference being Manny is perhaps, not necessarily tired of being at the top, but perhaps comfortable at the top and maybe not as prepared to go into a real tussle whereas I think Bradley is relishing the challenge to go at the big guys at the top and really wants to test his boxing ability with genuine belief that he can do it.
Mental strength!!
Possible things:
Cuts, Manny is slightly susceptible to them and with the styles of Bradley occassionally coming in head first and Manny with in and in and out Southpaw style heads could be banging together all night. Bradley, with his *Ahem* oddly shaped head seems to never come off worse in this respect and Manny has tended to panic when cut before. Strange to talk about a great fighter that panics when he sees his own blood, but it is true.
Bradleys chin and Mannys power. Well Bradley without doubt has a fantastic chin and showed incredible powers of recovery when decked by Kendall Holt and came back much stronger, can he take Manny's power?
Ok, it's not all 100% scientific and there's not always an actual one blatant reason as to why Bradley should win, but piecing it all together in my view I really feel as though Bradley has a terrific chance and am officially picking him to eek out a result. I'm unsure as to whether it's more hope than anything but Tim my faith is in you!
What say you people?
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It was incredibly close and I was impartial as I could be, Manny looked old and past it barely threw more than 10 meaningful punches a round.
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AlexHuckerby wrote:Feel like a genius, had it 115-114 SO close could have gone either way, the commentators were on crack! Manny was so out of shape he looked gassed midway to me, could have gone either way, cant just win the round in 30 seconds, what you guys have it??
Commentators still weren't half as bad/biased as for Floyd's last fight tho - that was the only time I have ever actually muted a fight!!
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AlexHuckerby wrote:It was incredibly close and I was impartial as I could be, Manny looked old and past it barely threw more than 10 meaningful punches a round.
And Bradley threw about 2.......
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I watched iit on HBO they were so biased it was beyond belief I was screaming at the TV nearly the whole time at them, they didnt acknowledge anything of Bradleys!!
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If Manny didnt land or throw any meaningful punches then Im not sure what to say about Bradley?
Even Bradley says he was shook by some of the shots. Manny hurt him several times. I dont think Bradley hurt Pacquiao.
Even Bradley says he was shook by some of the shots. Manny hurt him several times. I dont think Bradley hurt Pacquiao.
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Alex you're a BEAST. Do you truuuuly believe Bradley won that though? I may need to watch again cause I'm in huge shock.
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He won the first two I think I had it, knicked 1 or 2 near the middlish and won the champ rounds because Manny didnt throw enough, Ive gotta say I'm baffled lads I'll rewatch but genuinely baffled. Maybe I was giving Bradley too much credit, Mannys won rounds were big but just didnt sustain it to win the fight.
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Think I had one even some where aswell I'll do a recount when I rewatch was a hard fight to score though could have gone either way.
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How can you say Manny didn't throw enough when Compubox says he threw more AND was more accurate??
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As I said on the other thread:
Ring generalship: Pacquiao walked him down all night
Effective agression: Pacquia was the one doing the hurting
Clean punching: Spoke for itself.
Defense: Bradley landed less than 20%
Manny won in every single way.
Ring generalship: Pacquiao walked him down all night
Effective agression: Pacquia was the one doing the hurting
Clean punching: Spoke for itself.
Defense: Bradley landed less than 20%
Manny won in every single way.
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He threw more overall and won his rounds big but its easy to muddle up punch stats with a strange fight like that, pure and simple there were too many rounds when I saw Bradley outworking Pac with Pac dancing and walking forward especially at the end he just gave like 3 or 4 rounds away!!!! Anywho bedtime I'm cream crackered.
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aye, night folks. It's been fun!
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AlexHuckerby wrote:Feel like a genius, had it 115-114 SO close could have gone either way, the commentators were on crack! Manny was so out of shape he looked gassed midway to me, could have gone either way, cant just win the round in 30 seconds, what you guys have it??
could have gone either way? lol
day light robbery. end of.... if anything Manny lost because he relaxed to much in the 12 while Bradley was hitting his arms and then running.. as he and everyone else including Bradly new he had it in the bag..
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No point trying to be smug Alex because you got it very wrong but lucked out on the result thanks to the judges, Bradley didn't do enough to make it close let alone win it.
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I had it Bradley needing to take the last 3 to win, I thought it was over but Pac just waddled forward for 2;30 and then threw a few quick flashy punches, Manny threw the fight away in my eyes, I'm suprised more aren't agreeing with me, Manny looked dead in the last 3.
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You must have been watching a different fight because Bradley by no measure of scoring won that fight.
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AlexHuckerby wrote:I had it Bradley needing to take the last 3 to win, I thought it was over but Pac just waddled forward for 2;30 and then threw a few quick flashy punches, Manny threw the fight away in my eyes, I'm suprised more aren't agreeing with me, Manny looked dead in the last 3.
lol... ok
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Well thats your view I'll rescore but I think so many people give Manny the win just because he LOOKS like he's doing more with his waspish style.
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He was the one landing all the big shots and blocking Bradleys, it's not about him looking like he's doing it, HE WAS doing it.
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Well I only saw it live and I came out 115-114 to Bradders and it was purely cos Manny gave it away in my eyes, fair enough if you disagree...
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Get the feeling this is going to turn into a De La Hoya and Trinidad, whereby 3 rounds take huge precedence over the 9 that proceeded.
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AlexHuckerby wrote:Well thats your view I'll rescore but I think so many people give Manny the win just because he LOOKS like he's doing more with his waspish style.
7 out of 10 for artistic impression. Unfortunately this isn't figure skating. The aim is to land more punches that your opponent. Pac landed more power punches and more effective punches.
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He didn't do it in enough rounds, overall it looked as though Pacquiao won, but for me scoring it on a 10 points must system, I had Bradley edging it, fair enough if you didn't.
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Unless you score blocked punches and swing'n'misses I don't see how you can give Bradley rounds on a 10 points must system either.
Have you rewatched it yet?
Have you rewatched it yet?
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Nah not yet mate will get round to it in the next week or so.
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AlexHuckerby wrote:He didn't do it in enough rounds, overall it looked as though Pacquiao won, but for me scoring it on a 10 points must system, I had Bradley edging it, fair enough if you didn't.
Overall per round it looked as though Pac won most of them.
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Timmy did enough to win this fight... just!!! watched it 3 times now and Tim shaded it early... losses some mid rounds but rallies to win the championship rounds down the stretch!
Main oservations
1. Manny has now become a fighter who can only do it in spurts, his all action days are a thing of the past
2. His corner has become a shamble... i mean who is the chief second in that corner now... Bu Boy Fernandez!!!??
3. Floyd will have a great shot at stopping and outclassing both these guys!!
Main oservations
1. Manny has now become a fighter who can only do it in spurts, his all action days are a thing of the past
2. His corner has become a shamble... i mean who is the chief second in that corner now... Bu Boy Fernandez!!!??
3. Floyd will have a great shot at stopping and outclassing both these guys!!
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people have just become programmed to pac winning with this aerobics routines!!! this is boxing goddamit and thank god there are still some judges out there that score the intricacies of the sport! the jab, defence, controlling the fight.... not jumping in and out like karate kid!!!
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azumah HOF wrote:people have just become programmed to pac winning with this aerobics routines!!! this is boxing goddamit and thank god there are still some judges out there that score the intricacies of the sport! the jab, defence, controlling the fight.... not jumping in and out like karate kid!!!
Which Manny did better than Tim.
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1. manny has no jab.... prob the worst on a reigning champ. its awful... comes from a bended elbow, is not accurate and infrequently scores
2. what defence???? i mean REALLY!! my man gets hit ggod and plenty even by slow as a toroise on weed Margarito!!!
3. U need a greta jab and great feet to dictate a fight!!! Many of the commentators clued up on one thing... Manny now fighting in spurts.... Mannys style fighting in spurts cant control a fight ... a spurts fighter like Floyd can because he pot shots u on the back of an excellent defensive game!!!
2. what defence???? i mean REALLY!! my man gets hit ggod and plenty even by slow as a toroise on weed Margarito!!!
3. U need a greta jab and great feet to dictate a fight!!! Many of the commentators clued up on one thing... Manny now fighting in spurts.... Mannys style fighting in spurts cant control a fight ... a spurts fighter like Floyd can because he pot shots u on the back of an excellent defensive game!!!
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I gave Bradley 4 rounds... and 2 of them were close... Even in the 12, which I gave to him, all he was doing is hitting Pacs arms... and Pacman just looked like he was coasting and not doing anything silly as he was going to win the fight.
Pacman will knock him out in a rematch...
Pacman will knock him out in a rematch...
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tunes666 wrote:I gave Bradley 4 rounds... and 2 of them were close... Even in the 12, which I gave to him, all he was doing is hitting Pacs arms... and Pacman just looked like he was coasting and not doing anything silly as he was going to win the fight.
Pacman will knock him out in a rematch...
oh really!!! didn't look close to knocking him out this time did he!!!
which brings me to my 5th point
5. Lets take a reality check and stop hyping the Pac devastating one punch KO stuff.... i mean really!!! Manny IS NOT JULIAN JACKSON REBORN!!!
The truth is that at the higher weights the only guy he has flattened like that is Hatton, who basically offered up his chin as a gift!!!
Oscar, Cotto, were basically beat down relentlessly not ko'd off one big punch!!!
so wouldnt put ur mortgage on that prediction mate!!!
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azumah HOF wrote:1. manny has no jab.... prob the worst on a reigning champ. its awful... comes from a bended elbow, is not accurate and infrequently scores
2. what defence???? i mean REALLY!! my man gets hit ggod and plenty even by slow as a toroise on weed Margarito!!!
3. U need a greta jab and great feet to dictate a fight!!! Many of the commentators clued up on one thing... Manny now fighting in spurts.... Mannys style fighting in spurts cant control a fight ... a spurts fighter like Floyd can because he pot shots u on the back of an excellent defensive game!!!
This isn't a stylistic contest. It doesn't matter if Manny has no jab. In this fight he threw and landed more punches than his opponent.
If you read my posting about Manny you will see that to me he is over-rated. But that is irrelevant. What he did against Marg, Cotto, Hatton, Clottey etc etc etc it 100% irrelevant. I see no purpose in you bringing it up. What matters is this fight and Pac threw and landed more in each round that Tim.
For artistic impression, Tim won.
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Watching the fight though rose tinted Floyd glasses Zoomy, It was a shocking decision.
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hahahahha!!! Shocking decision haaaahahhaha!!! i love it!!!! This is boxing folks... all go back and re-educate yourselves on how fights should be scored... how can it be shocking when all judges saw it as close!!!Rodney wrote:Watching the fight though rose tinted Floyd glasses Zoomy, It was a shocking decision.
Wow!!! REALLY!!! what is for sure through my rose tinted Floyd glasses... is that if Manny wants some let him come get it coz Floyd WILL STOP HIS ASS!!!
And if you think different now after ur man has labored against Tim and Marquez, i'll gladly have some of ur money son!!!
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Pac's power isn't the same at the weight since Floyd called the Ped card??
Karma after JMM.No sympathy
Winner Bob Arum.
See a big money rematch.Manny gets loads..Tim gets loads..Arum gets more
Get with the programme fight fans
Karma after JMM.No sympathy
Winner Bob Arum.
See a big money rematch.Manny gets loads..Tim gets loads..Arum gets more
Get with the programme fight fans
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azania wrote:azumah HOF wrote:1. manny has no jab.... prob the worst on a reigning champ. its awful... comes from a bended elbow, is not accurate and infrequently scores
2. what defence???? i mean REALLY!! my man gets hit ggod and plenty even by slow as a toroise on weed Margarito!!!
3. U need a greta jab and great feet to dictate a fight!!! Many of the commentators clued up on one thing... Manny now fighting in spurts.... Mannys style fighting in spurts cant control a fight ... a spurts fighter like Floyd can because he pot shots u on the back of an excellent defensive game!!!
This isn't a stylistic contest. It doesn't matter if Manny has no jab. In this fight he threw and landed more punches than his opponent.
If you read my posting about Manny you will see that to me he is over-rated. But that is irrelevant. What he did against Marg, Cotto, Hatton, Clottey etc etc etc it 100% irrelevant. I see no purpose in you bringing it up. What matters is this fight and Pac threw and landed more in each round that Tim.
For artistic impression, Tim won.
SON WHEN WE START SCORING FIGHTS BASED ON COMPU BOX.... THEN THE LUNATICS CAN RUN THE ASSYLUM AND BOXING WILL BE DEAD!!! BOXING IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE IN A BIG PART STYLISTIC.... IT IS WHY THE LOVERS OF IT CALL IT THE SWEET SCIENCE.... IT AINT FRIGGING BOXERCISE!!! SO IF MANNY THROWS MEANINGLESS CRAP AND GETS HIT IN RETURN AND MADE TO LOOK UGLY DOING IT, IF A MAN WINS THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS USING THE JAB AND CONTROLLING THE PACE, THIS ALL COUNTS HUGELY IN BOXING!!
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skidd1 wrote:Pac's power isn't the same at the weight since Floyd called the Ped card??
Karma after JMM.No sympathy
Winner Bob Arum.
See a big money rematch.Manny gets loads..Tim gets loads..Arum gets more
Get with the programme fight fans
AGREED THE ONLY WINNER IS THE CANCER AT THE HEART OF THE SPORT.... MR ARUM!!!
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Azumah HOF you're synonymous with impartiality.
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azumah HOF wrote:azania wrote:azumah HOF wrote:1. manny has no jab.... prob the worst on a reigning champ. its awful... comes from a bended elbow, is not accurate and infrequently scores
2. what defence???? i mean REALLY!! my man gets hit ggod and plenty even by slow as a toroise on weed Margarito!!!
3. U need a greta jab and great feet to dictate a fight!!! Many of the commentators clued up on one thing... Manny now fighting in spurts.... Mannys style fighting in spurts cant control a fight ... a spurts fighter like Floyd can because he pot shots u on the back of an excellent defensive game!!!
This isn't a stylistic contest. It doesn't matter if Manny has no jab. In this fight he threw and landed more punches than his opponent.
If you read my posting about Manny you will see that to me he is over-rated. But that is irrelevant. What he did against Marg, Cotto, Hatton, Clottey etc etc etc it 100% irrelevant. I see no purpose in you bringing it up. What matters is this fight and Pac threw and landed more in each round that Tim.
For artistic impression, Tim won.
SON WHEN WE START SCORING FIGHTS BASED ON COMPU BOX.... THEN THE LUNATICS CAN RUN THE ASSYLUM AND BOXING WILL BE DEAD!!! BOXING IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE IN A BIG PART STYLISTIC.... IT IS WHY THE LOVERS OF IT CALL IT THE SWEET SCIENCE.... IT AINT FRIGGING BOXERCISE!!! SO IF MANNY THROWS MEANINGLESS CRAP AND GETS HIT IN RETURN AND MADE TO LOOK UGLY DOING IT, IF A MAN WINS THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS USING THE JAB AND CONTROLLING THE PACE, THIS ALL COUNTS HUGELY IN BOXING!!
I saw the fight and scored it on a round by round basis. I scored it to manny by a distance. I am well aware it isn;t boxercise. Likewise you should be aware that as Marg managed to hit Manny it has zero baring on this fight. Each round begins with a clean slate and Manny threw more per round and landed more.
I dont see it as meaningless crap seeing as Manny threw more PER ROUND. Landed more PER ROUND and avoided more PER ROUND. Brad threw leww PER ROUND and connected with LESS PER ROUND. I don't see what the issue is boy.
The championship rounds are a quarter of the fight. Winning 25% of the fight is winning errrrr a quarter of it.
Stylistically Brad won.
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skidd1 wrote:Pac's power isn't the same at the weight since Floyd called the Ped card??
Karma after JMM.No sympathy
Winner Bob Arum.
See a big money rematch.Manny gets loads..Tim gets loads..Arum gets more
Get with the programme fight fans
How is it karma for JMM? I don't see JMM benefiting out of all this.
I don't get this logic that because JMM was jobbed 3 times its all good that Paq gets jobbed. How about the correct scores whatever has happened. But Arum wins so that must be good yes?
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azumah HOF wrote:hahahahha!!! Shocking decision haaaahahhaha!!! i love it!!!! This is boxing folks... all go back and re-educate yourselves on how fights should be scored... how can it be shocking when all judges saw it as close!!!Rodney wrote:Watching the fight though rose tinted Floyd glasses Zoomy, It was a shocking decision.
Wow!!! REALLY!!! what is for sure through my rose tinted Floyd glasses... is that if Manny wants some let him come get it coz Floyd WILL STOP HIS ASS!!!
And if you think different now after ur man has labored against Tim and Marquez, i'll gladly have some of ur money son!!!
All the judges scored Rios over Abril. Marquez over Manny, we all knw they were wrong so what is your point, do you know how to score a fight ?
Pacquaio beat Bradley hands down, and I couldn't care what the hell Floyd does as neither are my boy, maybes you should just concentrate being a boxing fan instead of a arm chair self obsessed Floyd fan. It's kinda embarrassing
Cheers
Rodders
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Rodney wrote:azumah HOF wrote:hahahahha!!! Shocking decision haaaahahhaha!!! i love it!!!! This is boxing folks... all go back and re-educate yourselves on how fights should be scored... how can it be shocking when all judges saw it as close!!!Rodney wrote:Watching the fight though rose tinted Floyd glasses Zoomy, It was a shocking decision.
Wow!!! REALLY!!! what is for sure through my rose tinted Floyd glasses... is that if Manny wants some let him come get it coz Floyd WILL STOP HIS ASS!!!
And if you think different now after ur man has labored against Tim and Marquez, i'll gladly have some of ur money son!!!
All the judges scored Rios over Abril. Marquez over Manny, we all knw they were wrong so what is your point, do you know how to score a fight ?
Pacquaio beat Bradley hands down, and I couldn't care what the hell Floyd does as neither are my boy, maybes you should just concentrate being a boxing fan instead of a arm chair self obsessed Floyd fan. It's kinda embarrassing
Cheers
Rodders
AND THE BOXING KNOWLEDGE CONTINUES TO FLOW FROM UR MOUTH LIKE THE AROMATIC INTOXICATINGLY DELUSIONAL SMOKE FROM AN RASTAMAN'S PIPE!!! BEAT BRADELY HANDS DOWN..... HOW DIRT POOR IS THAT
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John Bloody Wayne wrote:Azumah HOF you're synonymous with impartiality.
Great spot mate
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azumah HOF wrote:Rodney wrote:azumah HOF wrote:hahahahha!!! Shocking decision haaaahahhaha!!! i love it!!!! This is boxing folks... all go back and re-educate yourselves on how fights should be scored... how can it be shocking when all judges saw it as close!!!Rodney wrote:Watching the fight though rose tinted Floyd glasses Zoomy, It was a shocking decision.
Wow!!! REALLY!!! what is for sure through my rose tinted Floyd glasses... is that if Manny wants some let him come get it coz Floyd WILL STOP HIS ASS!!!
And if you think different now after ur man has labored against Tim and Marquez, i'll gladly have some of ur money son!!!
All the judges scored Rios over Abril. Marquez over Manny, we all knw they were wrong so what is your point, do you know how to score a fight ?
Pacquaio beat Bradley hands down, and I couldn't care what the hell Floyd does as neither are my boy, maybes you should just concentrate being a boxing fan instead of a arm chair self obsessed Floyd fan. It's kinda embarrassing
Cheers
Rodders
AND THE BOXING KNOWLEDGE CONTINUES TO FLOW FROM UR MOUTH LIKE THE AROMATIC INTOXICATINGLY DELUSIONAL SMOKE FROM AN RASTAMAN'S PIPE!!! BEAT BRADELY HANDS DOWN..... HOW DIRT POOR IS THAT
Yeh, but Bradley did actually win. 115-113 x 2. Its not hard
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azania wrote:skidd1 wrote:Pac's power isn't the same at the weight since Floyd called the Ped card??
Karma after JMM.No sympathy
Winner Bob Arum.
See a big money rematch.Manny gets loads..Tim gets loads..Arum gets more
Get with the programme fight fans
How is it karma for JMM? I don't see JMM benefiting out of all this.
I don't get this logic that because JMM was jobbed 3 times its all good that Paq gets jobbed. How about the correct scores whatever has happened. But Arum wins so that must be good yes?
Fighter A throws 15 punches and lands 1 punch which is a knockdown,
Fighter B throws 20 punches lands 18, but does not score a knockdown!
Would you give Fighter A the round 10-8?
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punch stats arent everything
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I agree that a bad decision is a bad decision. I dont really understand the mentlity that Pacquiao deserves to get robbed. I thought Marquez deserved to win the last fight but the issue is with the judges. Not the fighters really. I just want consistent and decent scoring.
Mayweather would be packing a loss to Castillo in my opinion if the judges were on form but I dont see how robbing him in the rematch would have beneficial?
Mayweather would be packing a loss to Castillo in my opinion if the judges were on form but I dont see how robbing him in the rematch would have beneficial?
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PPVxHOTTY wrote:azania wrote:skidd1 wrote:Pac's power isn't the same at the weight since Floyd called the Ped card??
Karma after JMM.No sympathy
Winner Bob Arum.
See a big money rematch.Manny gets loads..Tim gets loads..Arum gets more
Get with the programme fight fans
How is it karma for JMM? I don't see JMM benefiting out of all this.
I don't get this logic that because JMM was jobbed 3 times its all good that Paq gets jobbed. How about the correct scores whatever has happened. But Arum wins so that must be good yes?
Fighter A throws 15 punches and lands 1 punch which is a knockdown,
Fighter B throws 20 punches lands 18, but does not score a knockdown!
Would you give Fighter A the round 10-8?
10-8. That's the rules on scoring.
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azumah HOF wrote:Rodney wrote:azumah HOF wrote:hahahahha!!! Shocking decision haaaahahhaha!!! i love it!!!! This is boxing folks... all go back and re-educate yourselves on how fights should be scored... how can it be shocking when all judges saw it as close!!!Rodney wrote:Watching the fight though rose tinted Floyd glasses Zoomy, It was a shocking decision.
Wow!!! REALLY!!! what is for sure through my rose tinted Floyd glasses... is that if Manny wants some let him come get it coz Floyd WILL STOP HIS ASS!!!
And if you think different now after ur man has labored against Tim and Marquez, i'll gladly have some of ur money son!!!
All the judges scored Rios over Abril. Marquez over Manny, we all knw they were wrong so what is your point, do you know how to score a fight ?
Pacquaio beat Bradley hands down, and I couldn't care what the hell Floyd does as neither are my boy, maybes you should just concentrate being a boxing fan instead of a arm chair self obsessed Floyd fan. It's kinda embarrassing
Cheers
Rodders
AND THE BOXING KNOWLEDGE CONTINUES TO FLOW FROM UR MOUTH LIKE THE AROMATIC INTOXICATINGLY DELUSIONAL SMOKE FROM AN RASTAMAN'S PIPE!!! BEAT BRADELY HANDS DOWN..... HOW DIRT POOR IS THAT
And listen to the boxing oracle, talking about boxing should be scored in a stylistic impression, I think it's easier to score a fight on who landed the cleaner more effective punches, and controlled the fight, I thought Marquez did that with Manny in Nov, But how you can score the fight for Bradley on stylistic performance is beyond me, if Manny has the poorest jab in a reigning champion, what was Bradley's he hardly touched Pacquaio with it. You seem more interested in scoring the fight from a Floyds fan perspective than as a boxing fan I'm afraid.
Cheers
Rodders
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