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Post by RDW Thu 14 Jun 2012, 1:26 pm

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Fiji v Scotland

Churchill Park, Lautoko, Fiji
June 16: Kick off: 3.00am (BST)

Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
Assistant referees: Ian Smith, Andrew Lees (both Australia)

Weather: 25 degrees and sunny (although was p!ssing down earlier in the week): http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2204506?day=2

FIJI:

15 Isimeli Koniferedi
14 Waisea Nayacalevu
13 Wereniki Goneva
12 Aloisio Buto
11 Watisoni Votu
10 Jonetai Ralulu
9 Nikola Matawalu
8 Netani Talei (c)
7 Malakai Ravulo
6 Iliese Ratuva
5 Leone Nakarawa
4 Apisai Naikatini
3 Setefano Somoca
2 Viliame Veikoso
1 Jeremaia Yanuyanutawa.

Replacements:
16 Tuatpati Talemaitoga
17 Waisea Daveta/Graham Dewes
18 Josefa Domolailai
9 Kelepi Ketedromo
20 Nemia Kenatale
21 Kameli Ratuvou
22 Metuisela Talebula.

SCOTLAND:

15 Stuart Hogg
14 Max Evans
13 Nick De Luca
12 Matt Scott
11 Tim Visser
10 Greig Laidlaw
9 Mike Blair

1 Ryan Grant
2 Ross Ford
3 Euan Murray
4 Alastair Kellock
5 Richie Gray
6 Alasdair Strokosch
7 Ross Rennie
8 John Barclay

Replacements:
16 Scott Lawson
17 Geoff Cross
18 Tom Ryder
19 Richie Vernon
20 Chris Cusiter
21 Duncan Weir
22 Sean Lamont

Last 6 Results:

Fiji

Wales - Fiji 66-0
Fiji - Samoa 7-27
South Africa - Fiji 49-3
Fiji - Namibia 49-25
New Zealand - Fiji 60-14
Italy - Fiji 24-16

Scotland

6-9 Australia - Scotland
13-6 Italy - Scotland
32-14 Ireland - Scotland
17-23 Scotland - France
27-13 Wales - Scotland
6-13 Scotland - England

Build up threads:
https://www.606v2.com/t30529-scotland-team-vs-fiji

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 14 Jun 2012, 1:41 pm

Wow, you can tell that Scotland have gone up in the world rankings cps we now qualify for our own sticky match-thread thingy!! Laugh

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 14 Jun 2012, 1:42 pm

Indeed - Andy Robinson's job should now be safe! We've made it!

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 14 Jun 2012, 1:45 pm

No need to go that far, fES!

PS It's your turn on the 'Who am I?' thread - whoever gets it right, poses the next one OK

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Post by RDW Thu 14 Jun 2012, 1:47 pm

It's about time our test matches are properly recognised here on 606v2! Very Happy

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Post by hugehandoff Thu 14 Jun 2012, 1:52 pm

I normally know a few of the Fiji team but this time they are all new to me. Who are their stand out players?

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Post by George Carlin Thu 14 Jun 2012, 1:54 pm

hugehandoff wrote:I normally know a few of the Fiji team but this time they are all new to me. Who are their stand out players?
Not sure Huge, but I hope that Yanuyanutawa doesn't see too much of the action or the commentator will have a nutty trying to pronounce it.
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Post by propdavid_london Thu 14 Jun 2012, 1:59 pm

Its not televised in the UK though is it?
Couldnt find it on BBC or Sky anywhere.

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Post by RDW Thu 14 Jun 2012, 2:01 pm

ESPN

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu 14 Jun 2012, 2:04 pm

3am, repeated at 2pm GMT apparently

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Post by RDW Thu 14 Jun 2012, 2:06 pm

I checked the TV schedule to make sure it will be repeated at 2pm, and it will!

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Post by KickAndChase Thu 14 Jun 2012, 2:11 pm

This means there will be a stream somewhere? Not holding hopes for Boston showing it at 10pm (though I think they might show the Ireland!)

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Post by RDW Thu 14 Jun 2012, 2:13 pm

There should be - can give you suggestions if you require!

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Post by KickAndChase Thu 14 Jun 2012, 2:35 pm

That'd be helpful mine are a bit out of date mate Wink

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Post by George Carlin Thu 14 Jun 2012, 2:51 pm

Kick - check your Inbox. OK
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Post by yappysnap Thu 14 Jun 2012, 6:12 pm

Don't recognise any of those Fijians.

I imagine like most away games it'll be tough for the visitors as the home team will play with a lot of pride and will want to put out a marker as the top tier teams don't often (never) tour around those parts. Saying that Scotlands better fitness and coaching should see them through by the end of the game.

Just don't try to out run them

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Post by majesticimperialman Thu 14 Jun 2012, 7:24 pm

propdavid_london wrote:Its not televised in the UK though is it?
Couldnt find it on BBC or Sky anywhere.

It is on ESPN at 3 am. I am taping it.

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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth Fri 15 Jun 2012, 8:02 am

yappysnap wrote:Don't recognise any of those Fijians.

Netani Talei was one of the Standout 8's of the HC this year with Edinburgh.

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri 15 Jun 2012, 8:22 am

Fiji are placed four places below Scotland in the IRB rankings, they have capped 12 players in the last two games, and at least two-thirds of their starting XV play amateur rugby on the islands. Robinson’s men must win.

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Post by R!skysports Fri 15 Jun 2012, 9:45 am

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Fiji are placed four places below Scotland in the IRB rankings, they have capped 12 players in the last two games, and at least two-thirds of their starting XV play amateur rugby on the islands. Robinson’s men must win.

It that 4 places just because we won in Australia - as we jumped 3 places then

We must win it though, as we now have most of the backline that we want to see with ball in hand (I am ignoring NDL - otherwise I will get a stiff letter from FES) and this is the backline (Give or take a few) that will be the core for years to come

Come on Scotland - and as I do not have ESPN - I will go blindly into the fore dear friends


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Post by nickj Fri 15 Jun 2012, 11:40 am

What does a sticky thread mean chaps?

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Post by R!skysports Fri 15 Jun 2012, 12:15 pm

nickj wrote:What does a sticky thread mean chaps?

Means you forgot to take your pills

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri 15 Jun 2012, 12:23 pm

nickj wrote:What does a sticky thread mean chaps?
It means the thread will always be towards the top of your page when you open up the section in question (ie 'International' or 'Club', etc.) OK

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Post by nickj Fri 15 Jun 2012, 12:25 pm

Well that's wonderful. Is that because we're playing well or because RDW is a top dog now?

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri 15 Jun 2012, 12:27 pm

nickj wrote:Well that's wonderful. Is that because we're playing well or because RDW is a top dog now?
A combination, I suspect

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Post by nickj Fri 15 Jun 2012, 12:29 pm

Wink

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN Fri 15 Jun 2012, 1:24 pm

yappysnap wrote:Don't recognise any of those Fijians.

I imagine like most away games it'll be tough for the visitors as the home team will play with a lot of pride and will want to put out a marker as the top tier teams don't often (never) tour around those parts. Saying that Scotlands better fitness and coaching should see them through by the end of the game.

Just don't try to out run them

Done OK

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Fri 15 Jun 2012, 1:31 pm

I don't think AR's ability to coach teams has ever been questioned though, more his selection policies.
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Post by KickAndChase Fri 15 Jun 2012, 2:02 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I don't think AR's ability to coach teams has ever been questioned though, more his selection policies.

Uh disagree. The psychological fail that Scotland seems to go through can only be pinned on him. Most of the squad play in either Edinburgh, who won tight games throughout the whole HC, or Glasgow, who very rarely let a close game slip by. By contrast Scotland have to be 20+ points up at the end of a half and even then most Scotland supporters won't claim it's in the bag (Wales 2010 I announced just that in the pub - told I was loony ... well...). I know International rugby is just something else, but an international coach should be able to coach that.

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Post by KickAndChase Fri 15 Jun 2012, 2:03 pm

nickj wrote:Well that's wonderful. Is that because we're playing well or because RDW is a top dog now?

And sorry to be a bore, but one swallow don't make a summer Sad

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Post by KickAndChase Fri 15 Jun 2012, 2:04 pm

This is why this is the most important match we have played since Argentina RWC 2007.

I did have a dream we got mullered but I am ill and I tend to have moderate nightmares when that happens - so I'm not passing it off as a vision by any means.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Fri 15 Jun 2012, 2:04 pm

It's not something you forget though K&C. You don't forget how to close games out. If the playes need their coach to tell them how to close games out they have chosen the wrong career.
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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri 15 Jun 2012, 2:06 pm

KickAndChase wrote:
nickj wrote:Well that's wonderful. Is that because we're playing well or because RDW is a top dog now?

And sorry to be a bore, but one swallow don't make a summer Sad
Absolutely correct, the Australia game was a huge defensive performance that led to a deserved win, but tomorrow we need to see a whole lot more to be confident that "we're (back) playing well"

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Post by nickj Fri 15 Jun 2012, 2:09 pm

KickAndChase wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I don't think AR's ability to coach teams has ever been questioned though, more his selection policies.

Uh disagree. The psychological fail that Scotland seems to go through can only be pinned on him. Most of the squad play in either Edinburgh, who won tight games throughout the whole HC, or Glasgow, who very rarely let a close game slip by. By contrast Scotland have to be 20+ points up at the end of a half and even then most Scotland supporters won't claim it's in the bag (Wales 2010 I announced just that in the pub - told I was loony ... well...). I know International rugby is just something else, but an international coach should be able to coach that.

I think the Scots have had that particular monkey on their backs long before Robinson got involved.


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Post by nickj Fri 15 Jun 2012, 2:14 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
KickAndChase wrote:
nickj wrote:Well that's wonderful. Is that because we're playing well or because RDW is a top dog now?

And sorry to be a bore, but one swallow don't make a summer Sad
Absolutely correct, the Australia game was a huge defensive performance that led to a deserved win, but tomorrow we need to see a whole lot more to be confident that "we're (back) playing well"

Braveheart

You're both completely right. Poor phrase to use.

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Post by KickAndChase Fri 15 Jun 2012, 2:34 pm

nickj wrote:
KickAndChase wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I don't think AR's ability to coach teams has ever been questioned though, more his selection policies.

Uh disagree. The psychological fail that Scotland seems to go through can only be pinned on him. Most of the squad play in either Edinburgh, who won tight games throughout the whole HC, or Glasgow, who very rarely let a close game slip by. By contrast Scotland have to be 20+ points up at the end of a half and even then most Scotland supporters won't claim it's in the bag (Wales 2010 I announced just that in the pub - told I was loony ... well...). I know International rugby is just something else, but an international coach should be able to coach that.

I think the Scots have had that particular monkey on their backs long before Robinson got involved.


nickj & radge - it really is my belief that a good coach should be able to coach it out of them. Coaching is not just drills, fitness, squad selection, it is squad nurturing and psychology too.

What if a coach turned up on day one of training, worked the balls off of the squad (in a very effective manner) and showed them thousands of fantastic attacking set pieces and pointed out solutions to all their defensive frailties within the one session? But within that session he never addressed a single person by name but rather the number on their shirt. And insisted nobody speak to one another. And disappeared immediately as the session ended. I don't think that's a good coach. Extreme example and not entirely fitting into what we're specifically discussing but do you see how it matters?

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Post by TJ1 Fri 15 Jun 2012, 7:07 pm

its true that the Scots national team do not appear well prepared mentally, the sports psychologist was sacked, Robinson got someone odd to address them before a game ( can't remember who)so he is obviously aware of the issue but he clearly cannot prepare them properly - preparation failings - the buck stops with the coach

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Post by Biltong Fri 15 Jun 2012, 8:37 pm

I am really looking forward to see how Scotland perform tomorrow, specifically Tim Visser, i have never seen him play but he sounds like the type of player that can finish moves, and for all the improvement Scotland has made over the last year with their industrious play, they lacked someone to finish.

So good luck tomorrow, hopefully Visser will be all he can be.
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Post by RDW Fri 15 Jun 2012, 9:00 pm

Just to clarify - I made this sticky due to a request from one of you lot!

I don't think it's anything to do with any notion that Scotland are inferior, it's just you have to be a mod or admin to do a sticky and I think I'm the only Scot!

Must try harder. warning

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Post by KickAndChase Fri 15 Jun 2012, 9:04 pm

Well Scotland *are* inferior at the moment, they got whitewashed and they're playing the Pacific Islands whilst the others are touring the big 3. Sad so I would understand!!

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Post by Biltong Fri 15 Jun 2012, 9:05 pm

But they did beat the world number 2. Whistle
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Post by Guest Fri 15 Jun 2012, 9:47 pm

Looking forward to the game, alarm is already set for 3am. Been looking for a stream to watch it but not having much luck though. Any suggestions lads?

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Post by RDW Fri 15 Jun 2012, 10:10 pm

Sent you some suggestions OK

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Post by 123skelm Fri 15 Jun 2012, 10:20 pm

I dont know how but could I have details?

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Post by justified sinner Fri 15 Jun 2012, 11:45 pm

Well alarm is set for half 2 but still in the pub drinking Innis and Gunn, got a few lined up for the game as well. Think I might miss it live and do this schedule instead.

Aus Wales at 11 then replay of Scotland Fiji at 2 in Grassmarket Bar, then Saffers England at 4 and possibly some footy later.

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Post by Biltong Fri 15 Jun 2012, 11:51 pm

I can't believe it, but it seems supersport is not broadcasting the match, unbelieveable. Doh
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Post by KickAndChase Sat 16 Jun 2012, 2:44 am

Right, collected the pizza, that's pretty much all the prep I needed.

Who's up for this? By that I mean literally but also ... WHO'S UP FOR THIS Braveheart

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Post by bsando Sat 16 Jun 2012, 2:47 am

'ello 'ello! just back in from night out, ready for some rugby!

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Post by bsando Sat 16 Jun 2012, 2:48 am

@kickandchase I AM!!!! Braveheart

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Post by KickAndChase Sat 16 Jun 2012, 2:49 am

wahoo! Might be a lonely one for us mate Wink

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