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Don't forget to take part in the Euro 2012 sweepstake! If you want to take part then please take £1m off your team budget and let the runners know you are taken part by Monday 11th. Prize money yet to be confirmed. Draw is as follows, which will be updated when managers confirm they are taking part:

Everyone in Premier League (who votes on Championship) send their results to:

TwisT and Sodhat

Everyone in Championship (who votes on Premier League) send their results to:

Hero and TSC

Premier League

Real Ale Sociedad - TwisT The London Silly Nannies - SodhatAC ALittleSilhouetteoOfAMan (AC ALSOAM) - MarkyViva City - VivaPaulScholesCunning Canaries FC - ollyrules
AFC Swamp Donkeys - fernando

Table

Borussia Munchingballsack - Sainty


FC United of Bournemouth Town and Boscombe City Wanderers Athletic Football Club - cherriesfan


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Championship

Athletico Bilbao Baggins FC - Hero

Tactics

Jacamos United - TSC

Injuries

Real NADrid© - nadeem2099

Lawyers

Sporting Sideburns FC - Gav

Fixtures

Treble's Revenge - onlytreblewinners

Results

Go Ahead Eagles - Russell_Elmo

Table

Straight-Edge United - TheBrahmaBull


City Of Norwich FC - ncfc_Tooze

The following players are being released from Real Ale. Cut price offers if you want them:

Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa
Robert Huth
Dries Mertens

Marky is rewritting his tactics with Ba instead of Higuain as part of the deal.

Nothing vital was damaged in his brain TSC. How is it even possible??

Hero wrote:Marky is rewritting his tactics with Ba instead of Higuain as part of the deal.

But he has already posted his tactics

Olly wrote:

Hero wrote:Marky is rewritting his tactics with Ba instead of Higuain as part of the deal.

But he has already posted his tactics

Is that allowed?

Twist I'll just wait till you release Mertens and sign him from releases.

He's amending them. Tactics have been plenty of times been amended by people prior to the deadline so there's no issue there.
Some people even post false tactics in case they believe their opponent to be unscrupilous and then change them at the last minute to the real ones.

Hero wrote:He's amending them. Tactics have been plenty of times been amended by people prior to the deadline so there's no issue there.
Some people even post false tactics in case they believe their opponent to be unscrupilous and then change them at the last minute to the real ones.

I don't know!! It's ridiculous. Wonder if it hurt.

Really, personally I don't think that should be allowed.

Once you post tactics they should be locked in and that's the end of it, if people don't trust each other, either agree a set time to post or have them all PM'd to a manager.

Hero wrote:He's amending them. Tactics have been plenty of times been amended by people prior to the deadline so there's no issue there.
Some people even post false tactics in case they believe their opponent to be unscrupilous and then change them at the last minute to the real ones.

I thought you were only allowed to edit tactics for spelling errors etc.

Hero wrote:He's amending them. Tactics have been plenty of times been amended by people prior to the deadline so there's no issue there.
Some people even post false tactics in case they believe their opponent to be unscrupilous and then change them at the last minute to the real ones.

Mmm.

Not sure this is quite the same, but never mind

£17m + Nene for Jovetic

Good deal or bad? I'm fairly pleased with it to be honest, even though I rate Jovetic highly.

BBC Sport ‏@BBCSport
West Ham sign midfielder Mohamed Diame from Wigan on a free transfer

No you can edit them, as long as they clearly haven't been altered after their opponent has posted theirs to change to one that suddenly then beats the opponents tactics then changes are allowed.

I have no issue with it Marky

I thought you was going to wait until I posted mine up anyway

Olly wrote:BBC Sport ‏@BBCSport
West Ham sign midfielder Mohamed Diame from Wigan on a free transfer

The only time I saw him play a full match was against Norwich and he missed a sitter. Nice.

sodhat wrote:£17m + Nene for Jovetic

Good deal or bad? I'm fairly pleased with it to be honest, even though I rate Jovetic highly.

Good deal. Nene was the best PSG player last year.

VivaPaulScholes wrote:Twist I'll just wait till you release Mertens and sign him from releases.

Then I won't release him. Cheers for the heads up Viva

sodhat wrote:

Olly wrote:BBC Sport ‏@BBCSport
West Ham sign midfielder Mohamed Diame from Wigan on a free transfer

The only time I saw him play a full match was against Norwich and he missed a sitter. Nice.

Yeah he was awful both times I saw him last season. Nice signing

Hopefully he's just filler, we already have a good central mid area with Noble, Nolan, Collison, O'Neil

Didn't MotD gang up on him? He missed 2 sitters in consecutive weeks and they criticised him for that.

Hero wrote:No you can edit them, as long as they clearly haven't been altered after their opponent has posted theirs to change to one that suddenly then beats the opponents tactics then changes are allowed.

But what it does do is stop people from moving for Marky's players in the belief that they can't play them in that week because Marky has already submitted.

I genuinely did look at following up on my enquiries for Higuain yesterday, but stopped when I saw Marky had posted in the belief that I would have not been able to play him, and would have left myself short.

This is honestly not a reaction to you having him and me playing you, as I am expecting you to beat me anyway and have put this week down as anything is a bonus.

I did post my tactics so that I would keep those players for this week, but when the creator of the league says they can be edited that's fine by me.

The deadline is midnight tonight, not midday.

Technically, Hero and Marky are correct. Ethically, Afro wuz robbed.

#justice4afro

I don't really mind the tactics, but deals by PM is something that should be cut out.

It should all be done in the open on the team pages so everyone can see what is going on - and thus they can make a move if they wish to and see what they need to beat.

You don't have to change it this week (so that it isn't just because I am playing Hero), but I think you need to rethink being able to resubmit for anything other than obvious human error.

Once they are submitted, that should be it.

And I'm not sure the league runner saying it is okay, when he is involved in the deal is very impartial

But if I post my tactics, I can still change them. So theoretically I could get other people to read them and tell me how good they are, and then make alterations? Could I not?

And technically, Hero paid (based on TM values);

Gotze (£26.5M) + Ba (£13M) + £16M cash (Total £55.5M) for Higuain (£31M)

Personally, I'd vote that Twist and sodhat can decide seeing as they are both runners and both impartial (hopefully).

As I have said, I am happy with whatever edit was made. It doesn't change the tactics that I am using.

Bearing in mind, that out of all of you, I have the most to lose with that edit this week

Olly wrote:But if I post my tactics, I can still change them. So theoretically I could get other people to read them and tell me how good they are, and then make alterations? Could I not?

You could, but you could do that by PM anyway.

Don't bring it in this week as that is then about me complaining. But please change it going forward.

Olly wrote:But if I post my tactics, I can still change them. So theoretically I could get other people to read them and tell me how good they are, and then make alterations? Could I not?

You could, but it would lead to accusations of having help from others and tarnishing results. It would also have to be done before your opponent posts theirs, otherwise it looks like cheating.

TSC wrote:Personally, I'd vote that Twist and sodhat can decide seeing as they are both runners and both impartial (hopefully).

Twist is playing Mark, so technically the only impartial person is Sod

Well I think for the future once tactics are posted that is it. Unless it is for changing spelling/grammar etc. To avoid all this mess

sodhat wrote:

Olly wrote:But if I post my tactics, I can still change them. So theoretically I could get other people to read them and tell me how good they are, and then make alterations? Could I not?

You could, but it would lead to accusations of having help from others and tarnishing results. It would also have to be done before your opponent posts theirs, otherwise it looks like cheating.

It looks that way, but under these rules there is nothing to stop Olly doing it

Messy business then. I'll leave it up to you lot to sort out. Peace out.

I don't see issue with people editting their tactics as long as it's obviously not done with due to amending them based on what the opponent has posted.

We shouldn't penalise those that post early else it then results in everyone posting at the last minute. Marky could have kept it in Word and waited and it wouldnt make any difference.

Hero wrote:I don't see issue with people editting their tactics as long as it's obviously not done with due to amending them based on what the opponent has posted.

We shouldn't penalise those that post early else it then results in everyone posting at the last minute. Marky could have kept it in Word and waited and it wouldnt make any difference.

You could garner opinions on your tactics and change them.

I've edited my tactics (and put them in a spoiler for good measure) and it's all done before Twist has posted his.

Matter closed.

As for deals via PM or by any other means (such as chatbox), I ask what the problem is?

Why does it matter if Hero and I agree a deal by PM, or if Russell_Elmo and I agree a deal face to face as we know each other, if someone else wants my player they would make me an offer anyway.

Hero wrote:I don't see issue with people editting their tactics as long as it's obviously not done with due to amending them based on what the opponent has posted.

We shouldn't penalise those that post early else it then results in everyone posting at the last minute. Marky could have kept it in Word and waited and it wouldnt make any difference.

It's not penalising anyone. If you think you that you might do a deal, don't submit tactics. That is your choice. This suggests that those who submit at 11.59 and keep them on Word all day are in the wrong.

BigFellasAfro wrote:

TSC wrote:Personally, I'd vote that Twist and sodhat can decide seeing as they are both runners and both impartial (hopefully).

Twist is playing Mark, so technically the only impartial person is Sod

I think it's ethically shady but it isn't actually against the rules, so I suppose it is down to the two parties consciences as to what they do. I do know in the past I have done deals with Marky where he has already posted tactics and we've waited till after they were played to do deals - particularly the De Jong deal as far as I remember.

It probably means we now have the "Higuain rule" where tactics are done when posted and deals must wait until after the game to complete.

Hero, by amending tactics that's setting a precedent. You need to make it black and white, in that there's shades of grey.

For example, I've edited my tactics just now because I didn't realise that my opponent doesn't have Higuain anymore. Is that cheating? I would say so, but you need to be clear.

Personally, I think once they're up, that's it.

I would see it happen that if it was made that once tactics were handed in that was it then people would hold fire until as late as possible and often it would then result in more tactics not being handed in on time.

Make a new rule going forward then. But while there is no rule, i've done nothing wrong.

Or make a no deal Wednesday?

Marky wrote:I've edited my tactics (and put them in a spoiler for good measure) and it's all done before Twist has posted his.

Matter closed.

There is some strong feeling on this, so I don't think it can just be closed like that.. Any changing of tactics after they have been submitted opens the door to further cheating. Perhaps a vote next week to see.

Marky wrote:As for deals via PM or by any other means (such as chatbox), I ask what the problem is?

Why does it matter if Hero and I agree a deal by PM, or if Russell_Elmo and I agree a deal face to face as we know each other, if someone else wants my player they would make me an offer anyway.

Because managers don't get to see that a player could be available and that they could have made an offer until it is too late. The rule on every other league I have been in is that all negotiations must be fully visible to all other managers.

Afro, if someone makes me a private offer for a NFS player and I want to take it, why should I then tout the player across the board?

Hero wrote:I would see it happen that if it was made that once tactics were handed in that was it then people would hold fire until as late as possible and often it would then result in more tactics not being handed in on time.

Every week I have handed in my tactics and never have made changes to them apart from spelling errors. If you can't put tactics up on time that's a different thing surely?

The key difference is that mine were edited before Twist posted his. If they were edited afterwards (and you'd be able to tell as the time is on them unless you're an Admin) then it can be suggested as cheating. If not, it can't.