Criticism of the referee.

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I just want to point out that I think some of the comments made about referees (from all NH sides on here) have been shocking to say the least. The claims that referees are "spoiling" or "killing" the game, the claims that they show bias towards one team over the other, or that they have a vendetta against a certain team, are absolutely ludicrous. I am getting pretty sick and tired of it too.

Yes, referees do make mistakes, some more than others, but they are human and they are there to do a job. They will not be perfect in their job. They will make plenty of mistakes, and plenty of the mistakes they make, you will not like. That is fine, and sometimes it is okay to question a refereeing decision. Referees will obviously evaluate their own performances, and try to have a better understanding of the laws and try to show more consistency. However, the claims that they have "won the game" or "lost the game" for a team, is simply ridiculous. As are claims that they show any sort of bias.

I hope that some people might read this and realise that refereeing isn't such an easy job. If you expect perfection, go watch a different sport. The laws themselves are not perfect. There are a few things I would like to change, particularly at the breakdown, and some players are VERY good at pushing the laws to the limit and getting away with it. However, the referee does not intentionally let them away with it. So please, stop accusing referees of bias, or winning/losing games for teams. They too are professionals just like the players. They want to do the best they can at their job. Give them a chance.

mystiroakey wrote:you cant imagine any reffs as being bent?

time to imagine - it is the case(probally a very very small %)- but there are bent everything.

However i do think jen is taking a slightly different perspective over perhaps a much more important one.

She is talking about a rule most people dont even know about. Howeveer they were saying bent ref etc- because there are dodgy things going on in football affecting matches- football has made them paranoid- and i would much rather talk about how to rid the game of that over a few drunk fans that didnt know every rule possible(in this case its kind of understandable) and i cant even remember a game were it has even happened( a throw in to someone in an offside position)

Perhaps somebody can enlighten me.... How many rugby referees have been found guilty of corruption with regard to their officiating of matches..? I ask that question quite genuinely, because I simply don't know. I can't think of any instances in England, certainly not in my lifetime. I was at Twickenham when touch judge Steve Lander made a terrible mistake over a line out which enabled Newcastle to score a late try to beat Harlequins in the old Pilkington Cup Final, and a couple of years before that, the same official gave a late penalty try to Bath in the same competition final against Leicester which resulted in Neil Back assaulting him and getting a lengthy ban for his pains. But even then, I wouldn't call Steve Lander "bent", and he certainly wasn't disciplined for untoward behaviour.

As for my talking about little known rules.... well... I don't claim to know all the rules, but then again, I'm not criticising referees in any sport, am I..?

I don't think I'm taking a different perspective over a more important one. In my opinion, I've got my own priorities sorted out quite nicely, thank you very much. My priorities may be different to yours, but that's a subjective issue.

This issue is about criticising referees and whilst I freely admit that mistakes are made in matches, and referees are as prone to error as any other human being, for some individuals to gratuitously call them dishonest or unprofessional is unfair and goes against the ethos of the game.

When I see officials in the bar after the game at Penzance or Blackheath or anywhere else I watch my rugby, If I catch their attention for a moment, I say "Thanks for the game, ref. Well played". It doesn't hurt to do that. It doesn't inflict a mortal injury on me to be polite and show a bit of common civility.

When all is said and done, at the end of the game, the result of the match will stand regardless of what any of us say in the bar or on a message board. As fans, we can do one of two things. We can sulk, moan and complain to the high heavens..... We can mope in our beer and snivel about how it's all so unfair......

Or we can accept it, smile, and look big.

You choose.

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TycroesOsprey wrote:

biltongbek wrote:Like I said, no answer is good enough.

courtesy costs nothing biltong, allow the concerns to be discussed rather than trying to censor anyone who raises the issue then you wont look complicit,

Tycroes my final answer then I am off, I have shown this courtesy enough over the past months, had debates with a number of posters trying to satisfy their need for understanding and yet have not once found someone who would accept my answers,mas I have tried tonight and yet unsurprisngly it failed again, I don't give two hoots wether you think I am complicit in whatever conspiracy theory you have dreamt up, why waste my time?

EBOP wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:EBOP let me assist this question - It's a riddle it took me some while to work it out.

Bluesman use the word "deserve" to mean "I really wanted it to happen".

After you knowing that - is all clear.

Ah, I get it, thanks AWoP. Because when you use words like 'deserved' it insinuates the better team didn't win. Was gonna say, because France and Wales weren't the better teams in their respective games.

If you know what a poster inner meaning is then you translate and interpreting the words and make a sense. If you read literal and try to reconcile to real or objective or personal view then is make a conflict! Here is some Budhism for you today and will make calm and restful and not take a bite on some fish hook from an angry fisherman.

They want to imply the misjustice to rectify to their inner sulking child. But if you read "I wanted Wales to Win. Then when that not happen I wanted France to win" then you understanding this poster and can sympathy with the point of view because no conflict to your mind or reality. But I agree "Wales were a better team. Then lost. Then France were better, but lost" grate to the opinion of the real champion's fans because imply they undeserving and so make a conflict and start the hate!

This way I always stay calm and understand the other poster views!

TycroesOsprey wrote:

biltongbek wrote:Well I am off have wasted enough of my time and effort here tonight.

whilst doing nothing to address concerns raised by numerous posters yeah great job.

Tycroes all you contribute to this forum is bitching and moaning, so don't question what others contribute.

TycroesOsprey wrote:

biltongbek wrote:Well I am off have wasted enough of my time and effort here tonight.

whilst doing nothing to address concerns raised by numerous posters yeah great job.

Tiresome whinging (from people who have had their posts complained about at times) and attacking the volunteers who run the site hardly helps the mood either

biltongbek wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:

biltongbek wrote:Like I said, no answer is good enough.

courtesy costs nothing biltong, allow the concerns to be discussed rather than trying to censor anyone who raises the issue then you wont look complicit,

Tycroes my final answer then I am off, I have shown this courtesy enough over the past months, had debates with a number of posters trying to satisfy their need for understanding and yet have not once found someone who would accept my answers,mas I have tried tonight and yet unsurprisngly it failed again, I don't give two hoots wether you think I am complicit in whatever conspiracy theory you have dreamt up, why waste my time?

not to me you havent and its the first time I have raised this or any issue with the mods and now founders, it will ruin the site so either make a stand and deal with the issue or let the site fall apart.

anotherworldofpain wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:awop Legend hows it going pal?, nice to read your posts again mate.

You are a kiwi i take it?

There was a lad called mitey who was a decent poster on here who was a big time England fan- but he seemed to know alot about the haka(very protective of it) and then he ended up just leaving the site- it was possibly a day before you joined, shame you didnt meet each other.. You two would have really got on!

Anyway no dramas, just nice to read your insightfull posts and stuff- its why i come on the rugby section..

Dont worry aboot the rest of em they know zips, keep it real bro? dont want to see you going anyway- borat was allways my fav sacha character

well mist sadly for you I have brought 606v2's borat to the attention of the sites founders since nothing is being done about it by the mods in the rugby section. Hopefull that will start to get people doing somthing about the issue.

that is of course based entirely on you opinion

Actually no its based on your statement that we should just ignore it and hopefully the trolls will go away, That is the definition of doing nothing when you dont actually do anything, you see, you didnt even have the courtesy to respond to my pm you just copied a post you had made to maes which neither answerd my questions nor addressed my concerns. Thats doing nothing you see,

This stupid discuss is ruin the site today. I am sick about it. Some poster here are paranoia and haunt by some shaddow. You are upset about lose the series and look to make the anger on someone. It is child like and unuseful. I advise let it go because whatever criminal you thinking I am is not. You confuse and bitter. So be restful and focus concern to rugby and not be cyber vigilante.

Yes truly this referee discuss is bad. Losing is very badly used by some peoples for blaming referees, excusing poor performance by moving fault to somewhere else.

Sir Wayne Barnes is being moved to Union of Rugby Wales to ensure fair management of rugby game between New Zealands and English.

Take a stand from what? Some moaning welsh fan?

I feel guilty that I dropped an A bomb on this thread- Peace to all men, angry ones, stupid ones, ones in the closet.. goodnight.

Mushrooms for all men

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Take a stand from what? Some moaning welsh fan?

read the thread that was locked rory rather than making yourself foolish this has nothing to do with anyones nationality nor has nationality ever been brought into it until now.

PJHolybloke wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

TycroesOsprey wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:awop Legend hows it going pal?, nice to read your posts again mate.

You are a kiwi i take it?

There was a lad called mitey who was a decent poster on here who was a big time England fan- but he seemed to know alot about the haka(very protective of it) and then he ended up just leaving the site- it was possibly a day before you joined, shame you didnt meet each other.. You two would have really got on!

Anyway no dramas, just nice to read your insightfull posts and stuff- its why i come on the rugby section..

Dont worry aboot the rest of em they know zips, keep it real bro? dont want to see you going anyway- borat was allways my fav sacha character

well mist sadly for you I have brought 606v2's borat to the attention of the sites founders since nothing is being done about it by the mods in the rugby section. Hopefull that will start to get people doing somthing about the issue.

that is of course based entirely on you opinion

Actually no its based on your statement that we should just ignore it and hopefully the trolls will go away, That is the definition of doing nothing when you dont actually do anything, you see, you didnt even have the courtesy to respond to my pm you just copied a post you had made to maes which neither answerd my questions nor addressed my concerns. Thats doing nothing you see,

This stupid discuss is ruin the site today. I am sick about it. Some poster here are paranoia and haunt by some shaddow. You are upset about lose the series and look to make the anger on someone. It is child like and unuseful. I advise let it go because whatever criminal you thinking I am is not. You confuse and bitter. So be restful and focus concern to rugby and not be cyber vigilante.

Yes truly this referee discuss is bad. Losing is very badly used by some peoples for blaming referees, excusing poor performance by moving fault to somewhere else.

Sir Wayne Barnes is being moved to Union of Rugby Wales to ensure fair management of rugby game between New Zealands and English.

PJ do you suggesting that is make some bias by Steve Walsh or someone might be unhappy about it for Wayne Barnes go to Wales? (See I ignore the tranception which is some irrelevancy)

My mind is most referee have pride about the job they do and want to make the best performance. And those not like that I trust to IRB to solve. We see some referee reprimand and some removal and some reappointed.

My mind is Walsh had a problems and he work hard to fix and make back to refereeing and there is a success story and some inspirational.

Barnes too have a problems of different kind about performance and was debanded from RFU Elite status and work hard to get better at the job too.

So now we have more referees try harder and there is good for the game.

We should be happy and inspired and not make conspriacy accusation and try to do the job of IRB referee authority for them.

Maybe we take a moment about reflect to our own jobs and mistake we make and our own prejudice and think about make ourselves improving and not just type the words criticise somebody else!

TycroesOsprey wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Take a stand from what? Some moaning welsh fan?

read the thread that was locked rory rather than making yourself foolish this has nothing to do with anyones nationality nor has nationality ever been brought into it until now.

Opinions are like assholes, some assholes have them...

You're a wise man AWoP. Seems you only 'deserve' to win if it's by 15+ points and any close losses are the refs fault. I'll put my hand up, I dont think Barnes did well in 2007, so I understand how it is.

You do a great job biltong

I've already read your comments, and your annoying obsession with AWOP today. You question his personality in real life, claiming that his persona here reflects his "failures in life". How would you know anything about anyone on here? You don't. Stop acting like you do, and grow up. You are making a big deal out of absolutely nothing.

To be honest actually, it is mostly welsh fans on here who I see complain about AWOP. He has made comments about Ireland which we certainly do not agree with, but we don't setup a conspiracy against him.

Yeah i honestly mean this- sorry Bilt if i brought others issues to another thread and escalated it- your post on the locked thread was spot on

BTW, you do realise there is an ignore list? Stick AWOP on there, and you will solve everything.

EBOP wrote:You're a wise man AWoP. Seems you only 'deserve' to win if it's by 15+ points and any close losses are the refs fault. I'll put my hand up, I dont think Barnes did well in 2007, so I understand how it is.

You do a great job biltong

Thanks EBOP (and I agree about Biltong who was under some seige today!).

When you dont speaking English on first language then always you take more time to contemplating the mean of some translation and think about if there is hidden sentiments and angular meanings. And also examine more context of the words sometimes to make understanding. Is also not so insulting to and making the blood boil to read insults and accusation through translation. So I grow this concept from my experience in the world of coming from different place and not understand.

Blimey had a break this one really kicked off. I notice that their is also some scrutiny of the refereeing of said thread and allegations of dereliction of duty.

One must never criticise the reffing.

Really people is it worth this sort of disharmony, we all have our opinions loyalties and feelings and none are more right than anyone elses.

Rory I am sorry if i got under your skin earlier, i was just trying to get across that any aspect of human behaviour can lead to corruption and rugby is no different. i wasn't suggesting organised bias or corruption and although i do think refs seem to be getting more inconsistent leading to more fan gripes, i don't think the game has a defined problem like other sports. my reference to bloodgate was to show that moral corruption does exist in the game and in the most unlikely places

But I am liking AWOP, he is sometimes making funny of himselves when think it is clever.

Same as it always is.

No worries, I apologise if I seemed angry but I honestly wasn't. Tone is hard to pick up on here.

So, the circle is complete, from 606v1 through 606v2 and back to 606v1. Way to go huh!

anotherworldofpain wrote:

EBOP wrote:You're a wise man AWoP. Seems you only 'deserve' to win if it's by 15+ points and any close losses are the refs fault. I'll put my hand up, I dont think Barnes did well in 2007, so I understand how it is.

You do a great job biltong

Thanks EBOP (and I agree about Biltong who was under some seige today!).

When you dont speaking English on first language then always you take more time to contemplating the mean of some translation and think about if there is hidden sentiments and angular meanings. And also examine more context of the words sometimes to make understanding. Is also not so insulting to and making the blood boil to read insults and accusation through translation. So I grow this concept from my experience in the world of coming from different place and not understand.

The bit in italics is the only thing you got right brother, you don't have a clue.

Seriously? "contemplating the mean"

For real? "hidden sentiments" followed by "angular meanings"

Huh? Good use of the word "context" followed by "of the words sometimes to make understanding"

Get off the translator webpage and get on to the therapy option pal, alternatively, you could try making friends with people?

Rory_Gallagher wrote:No worries, I apologise if I seemed angry but I honestly wasn't. Tone is hard to pick up on here.

I propose use colour text to indicate underneath sentiment could work. THen other poster can see right away the impression and back off before making the fight. I agree is easy to make misunderstanding when one person get upset and one person just being light heart.

Is so easy to upset the fellow poster when emotion high. For example today I just start the post that I had to get delete about if Welsh fan expectation so high and praise so loyal and does it hurt the team performance? And it went like a prison riot and I had to ask mod to delete the thread. But it was only some whimsy thought and in my mind was interestingly philosophy to discuss. But apparently make people so angry! So i could have use orange text for "whimsical philosophy" and they would know I wasn't make an attack. And if the first poster wrote back in red italic I would know they really upset and not just respond with their own whimsy. Then it would stop before it got to prison riot.

anotherworldofpain wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:No worries, I apologise if I seemed angry but I honestly wasn't. Tone is hard to pick up on here.

I propose use colour text to indicate underneath sentiment could work. THen other poster can see right away the impression and back off before making the fight. I agree is easy to make misunderstanding when one person get upset and one person just being light heart.

Is so easy to upset the fellow poster when emotion high. For example today I just start the post that I had to get delete about if Welsh fan expectation so high and praise so loyal and does it hurt the team performance? And it went like a prison riot and I had to ask mod to delete the thread. But it was only some whimsy thought and in my mind was interestingly philosophy to discuss. But apparently make people so angry! So i could have use orange text for "whimsical philosophy" and they would know I wasn't make an attack. And if the first poster wrote back in red italic I would know they really upset and not just respond with their own whimsy. Then it would stop before it got to prison riot.

whimsy? is that anything like a whoopsy? are you quite well?

PJHolybloke wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:

EBOP wrote:You're a wise man AWoP. Seems you only 'deserve' to win if it's by 15+ points and any close losses are the refs fault. I'll put my hand up, I dont think Barnes did well in 2007, so I understand how it is.

You do a great job biltong

Thanks EBOP (and I agree about Biltong who was under some seige today!).

When you dont speaking English on first language then always you take more time to contemplating the mean of some translation and think about if there is hidden sentiments and angular meanings. And also examine more context of the words sometimes to make understanding. Is also not so insulting to and making the blood boil to read insults and accusation through translation. So I grow this concept from my experience in the world of coming from different place and not understand.

The bit in italics is the only thing you got right brother, you don't have a clue.

Seriously? "contemplating the mean"

For real? "hidden sentiments" followed by "angular meanings"

Huh? Good use of the word "context" followed by "of the words sometimes to make understanding"

Get off the translator webpage and get on to the therapy option pal, alternatively, you could try making friends with people?

PJ I try my best and sometimes use the dictionary and translate to get the words. I think I am get better and some posters tell me sometimes is no grammatical mistake at all! But I don't think stop use the tools is helpful.

If you prefer we can discuss always in some Slavic languages I select or maybe we use some Cryllic alphabet or Kanji and we will see how many problems I spot with you reponses!

anotherworldofpain wrote:

PJHolybloke wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:

EBOP wrote:You're a wise man AWoP. Seems you only 'deserve' to win if it's by 15+ points and any close losses are the refs fault. I'll put my hand up, I dont think Barnes did well in 2007, so I understand how it is.

You do a great job biltong

Thanks EBOP (and I agree about Biltong who was under some seige today!).

When you dont speaking English on first language then always you take more time to contemplating the mean of some translation and think about if there is hidden sentiments and angular meanings. And also examine more context of the words sometimes to make understanding. Is also not so insulting to and making the blood boil to read insults and accusation through translation. So I grow this concept from my experience in the world of coming from different place and not understand.

The bit in italics is the only thing you got right brother, you don't have a clue.

Seriously? "contemplating the mean"

For real? "hidden sentiments" followed by "angular meanings"

Huh? Good use of the word "context" followed by "of the words sometimes to make understanding"

Get off the translator webpage and get on to the therapy option pal, alternatively, you could try making friends with people?

PJ I try my best and sometimes use the dictionary and translate to get the words. I think I am get better and some posters tell me sometimes is no grammatical mistake at all! But I don't think stop use the tools is helpful.

If you prefer we can discuss always in some Slavic languages I select or maybe we use some Cryllic alphabet or Kanji and we will see how many problems I spot with you reponses!

I just think it's a shame that some people have to live their lives vicariously through assuming false internet personas, I'm not bothered by it, if I tried my best and focused on nothing else for a week or so I might be able to give a shoite less, but to be quite frank I haven't got the time.

You're as fake as Christmas and anyone with half a brain knows it - yourselves exclude of coursing.

anotherworldofpain wrote:

PJ I try my best and sometimes use the dictionary and translate to get the words. I think I am get better and some posters tell me sometimes is no grammatical mistake at all! But I don't think stop use the tools is helpful.

If you prefer we can discuss always in some Slavic languages I select or maybe we use some Cryllic alphabet or Kanji and we will see how many problems I spot with you reponses!

Why not post in your mother tongue and let us translate?

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:

PJ I try my best and sometimes use the dictionary and translate to get the words. I think I am get better and some posters tell me sometimes is no grammatical mistake at all! But I don't think stop use the tools is helpful.

If you prefer we can discuss always in some Slavic languages I select or maybe we use some Cryllic alphabet or Kanji and we will see how many problems I spot with you reponses!

Why not post in your mother tongue and let us translate?

Forum rules are to post in English RDS.

anotherworldofpain wrote:

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:

PJ I try my best and sometimes use the dictionary and translate to get the words. I think I am get better and some posters tell me sometimes is no grammatical mistake at all! But I don't think stop use the tools is helpful.

If you prefer we can discuss always in some Slavic languages I select or maybe we use some Cryllic alphabet or Kanji and we will see how many problems I spot with you reponses!

Why not post in your mother tongue and let us translate?

Forum rules are to post in English RDS.

You managed to read those OK then?

PJHolybloke wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:

PJ I try my best and sometimes use the dictionary and translate to get the words. I think I am get better and some posters tell me sometimes is no grammatical mistake at all! But I don't think stop use the tools is helpful.

If you prefer we can discuss always in some Slavic languages I select or maybe we use some Cryllic alphabet or Kanji and we will see how many problems I spot with you reponses!

Why not post in your mother tongue and let us translate?

Forum rules are to post in English RDS.

You managed to read those OK then?

My morality and ethics is that is not responsible to be part of the community and not understand the rules of the community. So yes, of course I did.

Well that's a first for you, congratulations on being a conformist, broken at last.

PJ this exchange is the internet equivalent of self harm!

I haven't felt a thing so far.

anotherworldofpain wrote:

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:

PJ I try my best and sometimes use the dictionary and translate to get the words. I think I am get better and some posters tell me sometimes is no grammatical mistake at all! But I don't think stop use the tools is helpful.

If you prefer we can discuss always in some Slavic languages I select or maybe we use some Cryllic alphabet or Kanji and we will see how many problems I spot with you reponses!

Why not post in your mother tongue and let us translate?

Forum rules are to post in English RDS.

Don't know the rules myself, I'm sure you could post in your own language along with your attempt at english translation, then we could double check it? Just as a confirmation, get any wummery or trolling accusations out of the way etc.

Ooohhh.. just had a thought, you could pm me your mother tongue version... surely thats not against the rules?

Pain i don't mean to be a pain but what is your mother tongue and where are you from?

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:

PJ I try my best and sometimes use the dictionary and translate to get the words. I think I am get better and some posters tell me sometimes is no grammatical mistake at all! But I don't think stop use the tools is helpful.

If you prefer we can discuss always in some Slavic languages I select or maybe we use some Cryllic alphabet or Kanji and we will see how many problems I spot with you reponses!

Why not post in your mother tongue and let us translate?

Forum rules are to post in English RDS.

Don't know the rules myself, I'm sure you could post in your own language along with your attempt at english translation, then we could double check it? Just as a confirmation, get any wummery or trolling accusations out of the way etc.

Ooohhh.. just had a thought, you could pm me your mother tongue version... surely thats not against the rules?

Just had a quick squiz and Red is correct, perfectly acceptable in foreign languages AWOP; fire away bud, but don't you just wish you were Greek instead?

oh pain hellooooooo?

what is your country of birth and mother tongue?

PJHolybloke wrote:

Just had a quick squiz and Red is correct, perfectly acceptable in foreign languages AWOP; fire away bud, but don't you just wish you were Greek instead?

Getting myself into something here...... aren't I?

back to the pub for some rock'n'scotch

Earlier on I asked AWOP why he supported England, Spain, Japan, Romania and... Ukraine was it? He didn't answer. Not that I re-check, teams followed says; "I am neutral but lean to the team based on circums."

I think we all know that you support the Hurricanes and All Blacks...

Whooooooooo knows?

Shall we phone in Bergerac, this is getting serious

So what if AWoP supports the ABs, nowt wrong with that. Emack supports the ABs and I gather he's not a kiwi. Reckon AWoP adds colour to proceedings and gets a few chuckles, just don't understand the witch hunt, just let the enigma be whatever the heck he is.

Still not convinced it's GG..... AWOP (and I take no pleasure in this) has an element of intellect in the way his/her broken English is structured, wummery at a reasonably high level!!! Not GG's style/capacity imo

EBOP wrote:Shall we phone in Bergerac, this is getting serious

So what if AWoP supports the ABs, nowt wrong with that. Emack supports the ABs and I gather he's not a kiwi. Reckon AWoP adds colour to proceedings and gets a few chuckles, just don't understand the witch hunt, just let the enigma be whatever the heck he is.

you see colour, I see tedious wummery...

there again I am colour blind!!!

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Tycroes all you contribute to this forum is bitching and moaning, so don't question what others contribute.

Hahaha. Great wum. What was this thread then, other than a moan? Where was it when your fellow Irish banged on for ages about Ferris' yellow, then regurgitated moans about Mikey Phillips' try last year? Suppose we could post a lot like you about how we don't rate Danny Lydiate instead zzzzzzz

Rory_Gallagher wrote:BTW, you do realise there is an ignore list? Stick AWOP on there, and you will solve everything.

Some people don't get that luxury, if their Internet is poor. Hence why we rely on a wum to be spotted by somebody who is meant to do so.

And before you ask why I read this thread, I love the irony of an Irish poster moaning about criticising a referee. See your press hounding Nigel Owens? Especially "respected" (but not known by anybody outside of Ireland) (Ex) Leinster Captain Toland. Did you criticise that also?

Seems to me all the self righteous attitude on here about criticising refs is about the same as the good old days of don't boo kickers. Funny how that turned out too.

Sin é wrote:

Jennifer1984 wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Hear hear, Rory. Well said.

The referee and the decisions he makes must be respected at all times. We can all get frustrated at times when things don't go our way, but let's remember that, when we support our team, it is we who are taking a biased position, not the referee. He has no interest in who wins, only that the game is managed and played according the the laws and spirit of Rugby Football.

What is most disappointing about this thread, to me, is that it has had to be made at all. We're rugby people... we're supposed to be better than this. Of course we want our team to win, but where I come from, the game is more important than the narrow self interest of individuals or clubs.

Let's remember who we are, ladies and gentlemen. Or perhaps you may prefer to go over to the round ball game.

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Most of you probably know my opinion on te matter at this stage, I think the ref won't lose you the game and to say they're biased is a bit of a joke. I suppose two games from the Irish point of view where people berated a ref were the Wales 6N game and the close loss to NZ last week. Some blamed Barnes and Nigel for the losses and I think that is a load of old bollix. Welsh match, for starters, we didn't deserve to win, played absolute muck all game. We lost due to poor tactics and standing off the Welsh defenders, penalty was marginal but I have no complaints. Wales deserved to win.


Last week, we lost due to our own lack of discipline, we let NZ into the game by giving away stupid and needless penalties. Seeing as Carter is prolific of the tee, we gave up a lot of unnecessary points. People give out about the scrum call, and even if it was correct, (I think it may have been), I think the decision masquerades over a problem with the laws. Refs seem to have different interpretations of refereeing come scrum time yet I would blame the IRB for that rather than a referee. In my view it is something that needs to be cleared up. We will all enjoy the game more if, we have a better communal understanding of what's going on and there are less "contentious decisions". I don't like seeing referees being blamed, frankly I think it is often used as an excuse rather than look at our own teams' deficiencies.



You can say I'm on my high horse or whatever but as I'm sure some of you will know, I have always felt that referees are to be respected.

Thomond,

The fact that the Ukraine gioal wasn't awarded the other night was their own fault so, not the officials????

Referees make serious mistakes, and in some cases those mistakes can decide the outcome of a game. What is your issue with debating those decisions as well as the pros and cons of your own teams play.

Why have a forum like this at all??

Rory, the following post kind of contradicts what your saying in this one.

"I thought the referee today was absolutely abysmal. There, I said it. I think people are afraid to criticise the referee these days incase they seem to be using that as an excuse. Though there is a difference between blaming the ref and just admitting he was completely rubbish. Today was an example of a rubbish ref."

https://www.606v2.com/t23336-why-as-their-been-no-complaints-about-the-referee#929486

So are we allowed to criticise the ref, or are we only allowed to when it suits you?

John Cregan wrote:Thomond,

The fact that the Ukraine gioal wasn't awarded the other night was their own fault so, not the officials????

Referees make serious mistakes, and in some cases those mistakes can decide the outcome of a game. What is your issue with debating those decisions as well as the pros and cons of your own teams play.

Why have a forum like this at all??

Well Ukraine were off side anyway, so yes, you could say it's there own fault. karma

john if the goal was awarded last night would that have been just????????

stupid example dude- really stupid- it shouldnt have been a gaol anyway. the mistake would have happened if the ref didnt make what you are talking about as a serious mistake