England 2007 RWC vs Ireland 2012 SIs.

In 2007 most v1 English posters were deriding Brian Aston's approach and reputedly the old timers created their own game plan and got to the final. The likes of Lollio, Moods (and dare I say it?) St Jonny of Newcatle (reputedly) kicked Ashton's plans into row Z.

In 2012 Kidney's management is widely despised by v2 posters and the senior players play to his plan. The core of the Irish side is Dads' Army yet they play to Declan's instructions.

And both lost.

What is your point?

The point awop is that if a Dads' Army can't rearrange its' own game plan, then they are too supplicant to the manager. Or they are incapable of understanding how they are going wrong.

Is 0-60 Kidney's fault or the players'?

Some part both is my mind. But if there is no better players or coach in Ireland available then maybe not so much "fault" as "inadequacy"

anotherworldofpain wrote:Some part both is my mind. But if there is no better players or coach in Ireland available then maybe not so much "fault" as "inadequacy"

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I know the irish economy is a mess but surely they can afford a kiwi?