Tyson Fury - An apology!!

To think of all the garbage I've thrown at this guy!!!.......

However............In great shape (No more useless slob!!)........good workrate.....good jab and quality combinations...

For a guy at 6ft 9in who can land crisp combinations and keep guys off with a decent jab and smother up close...He's going to be a difficult night for anybody!!!

Sure his opponent was garbage but this guy looks a different fighter in SHAPE!!!

Soft opponent or not...........He's a puzzle for anybody to solve.....Certainly being taller than the Klits he'd be trouble!!!

As for Price well not so sure anymore that it's an easy night....

Close to pickem...

Tyson fury I apologise....you can fight!!!! Keep improving as well....because you're a character and Boxing needs those!!

Might be wrong about this guy.....Hope I am..

I wrote an article about him after the Rogan fight where I was pretty much cast down after saying he looked pretty decent after he got himself into good shape.

But I agree, in shape I think he can actually trouble a few guys now, but I think most will still cast us down Trussy!

He looked pretty good but a 6'1 40 year old who has been knocked out a couple times vs average opposition will always make him look good

Yeah must also say Maddalone was absolutely shocking...

It's not so much the opponent...although to be fair most heavies are ponderous....

It was his arsenal...jab...footwork..crispness of his punches that impressed...

He'll always have height and reach advantages...

For me he looked really good and in that shape would've been a problem for anybody!!

Nice one Truss. I have been singing his praises after yesterday's performance. As for Price, he is still slightly below the Vinnie Madalone level of opponents. He needs to step up so we can see how good he is.

Correct Alex. You sang his praises and I was one of those who laughed at you. I take it back. Fury may be an oaf, but he is an oaf who can fight. Personally I'd rather him that Price rule the division. At least Fury has a personality. Price makes Ricky Burns sound exciting.

I'll be honest I've been his worst critic....

Amazed at his improvement and shape.....

Certainly at least early would give the Klits problems......

Price vs Fury would be one to salivate over.....

I like Price and I acually think he could possibly remain a dominant champion. I don't think it's possible for Fury to remain a dominant champiopn he just makes too many mistakes and I think he becomes a little complacent if he starts landing whereas with Price he seems so focused the whole time. Think Price has everything Fury has but is better all around, personally. Think Sexton would outbox Maddalone who had even less boxing ability than Rogan, but was a little more live without being finished.

Valid points.....but you know what impressed me most was that he was firing 5/6 punch combinations and not many heavies do that today...

It would be a surprise for Price and the Klits...

Fury's problem is that he doesn't alwayds cover up that well on the inside!!!

However he is definitely learning and has that awful word...........

POTENTIAL

Good points. What tips it for me is Fury has faster hands and seems to throw better (more eye catching perhaps) combinations. Punch power goes to Price which will negate durability because of either of them get his by the other, they will go.

Fury gets in shape and everyone thinks he is the second coming.

It does not matter how in shape you are you need to face tough, decent opposition to evaluate you're credentials. Fury can throw crisp combos all night on shoddy opposition but it don't make him Meldrick Taylor now does it.

I agree actually, Fury has quick hands. Must say though at times for Fury it was as though he was just hitting a moving heavybag with Maddalone just having no clue as to what to do with a bit of movement. He put them together really, really well however I'm not too sure he could do that against an opponent that can fire back and has a dangerous punch, but I'd like to see it.

No onetwo it doesn't....

But one can see potential in the ....set up...the footwork..speed...accuracy and jab........

and summise that he has talent....

and the heavyweight division isn't laden with it is it??????????

Can he keep in shape is the real question.

ive always liked fury, for all his flaws. now he's in shape, moving better, training harder.

he's lighter, but he'll be punching harder if he's punching faster.

he's still 17 stone, he's a true heavyweight with decent skills.

You're posting a bit early aren't you...

Thought it was ...Midnight at the oasis...

One I can't answer ONETWO....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You're posting a bit early aren't you...

Thought it was ...Midnight at the oasis...

One I can't answer ONETWO....

i can only assume you've been drinking.

Seth Mitchall would ko Fury in a New York minute

"Seth Mitchell would ko Fury in a new york minute....."

and Oasis say's I've been drinking!!!

from what ive seen - if fury boxed smart and didnt get tagged, he could out work mitchell as they both stand now.

not saying he would, but he could. and fury has stopped 14 of his last 19 opponents according to bbc sport so he has power too. in fact i rate furys power, i think he's a big puncher.

Agreed...Fury late or by decsion.........

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Fury gets in shape and everyone thinks he is the second coming.

It does not matter how in shape you are you need to face tough, decent opposition to evaluate you're credentials. Fury can throw crisp combos all night on shoddy opposition but it don't make him Meldrick Taylor now does it.

It doesn't.

Glad you got that off your chest?

Mitchell isn't anything special but I do think his pressure style coudl really trouble Fury, its an interesting fight but would fancy Mitchell at this moment in time if truth be told. Just based on how Fury has handled people who have pressured him before, though who knows how much difference there will be in how he deals with pressure fighters whilst he is in shape.

AlexHuckerby wrote:Mitchell isn't anything special but I do think his pressure style coudl really trouble Fury, its an interesting fight but would fancy Mitchell at this moment in time if truth be told. Just based on how Fury has handled people who have pressured him before, though who knows how much difference there will be in how he deals with pressure fighters whilst he is in shape.

Mitchall is a natural athlete. 1 of the best in shape heavies around in fact second only to Wlad. He is shorter then Fury and packs a heavier punch.

Be a fight that would interest down the road Alex...

Probably post Klit....with belts on the line

I imagine Fury and Price's management are debating the pros and cons of whether to fight old Klits or wait for them to go!!

Not saying that Maddalone was decent but I'm sure he thought I'll get inside and rough Fury up!!!

However after swallowing a few combinations he lacked ambition....

Have a feeling quite a few including Mitchell may have the same feeling..

Onetwo, this isn't a body beautiful contest. If it was Bruno would have slaughtered Witherspoon. I haven't seen too much of Seth to make a firm opinion. He hasn't fought anyone on the way up as Fury did with Chisora. Until then.....!

Az

He beat Timor Ibragimov by 2nd round ko. Ibragimov is a decent heavy and better then anyone Fury has been matched with.

Timor went the distance with both Calvin Brock and Tony Thompson in a fight he should have won but was robbed. Both Brock and Thompson are top ten heavies.

Well to be fair to Mitchell his performance against Ibragimov was very good and Chazz Witherspoon wasn't really meant to be blasted away in the way he was by Mitchell, I think he looks very good and I think he may whack just a little bit harder than Fury. I think stylistically he may have the edge judging how Fury has dealt with pressure fighters in the past.

Must also note that Chisora was most certainly not in shape and even then rocked Fury very early on and you have to imagine he would have been doing that all night if he was actually in shape and not gassed during the 3rd round! Chisora fought at a higher pace against Helenius and Vitali so you have to imagine in shape he would have taken Fury out. Must also stress that this was before Fury was in shape also, however Mitchell is a very similar style to Chisora but packs some serious power, so I think he could be a seriously dangerous opponent for Fury if he was to face him. The guy doesn't look scared to walk through anything, he looks a bit of a bulldozer in truth, nothing seriously special in the technique department, so for me not enough to trouble a Klit, but could definitely be a horrible opponent for Fury, time will tell though.

Its encouraging to see Fury looking better now and getting into better condition but its still a case of fighting opposition that makes it hard to draw strong conclusions from.

I think they are treading water really, waiting to see if Vitali will retire soon and if he does then I think they will target the vacant WBC title or become mandatory for a shot at whoever takes it after Vitali goes. He will probably be ranked top 4 or 5 now with the WBC after that win which puts him in a decent position to get a shot at the vacant or at whoever gets the belt next. Vitali is unlikely to be around in another 3 fights time. Seems to me like they are just biding their time until he retires.

Tibor was at the journeyman stage of his career. That's the only fight I've seen Seth in and whilst he did look great, I need to see him against someone with a pulse. Fury has had his fight with Chisora. Tibor was a dead weight in comparison.

I don't think so, he looked fine against Mormeck but was well and truly robbed that night and instead of Mormeck facing Wlad it would have been him. I think Mitchell was just fantastic that night. Again Az, must stress to you, Chisora was NOT in shape, and Fury was still rocked early a fair few times an in shape Chisora could have proven to be fatal to Fury that night and I think most of us still do.

Timor beat former great heavyweight champ Mcall. It was a step up for Mitchall not a very dangerous fight but a far sterner test then Chisora was for Fury.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Timor beat former great heavyweight champ Mcall. It was a step up for Mitchall not a very dangerous fight but a far sterner test then Chisora was for Fury.

Yeah, Trevor Berbick beat an even greater HW Champ in Ali.

I dont think one can have it both ways with the Chisora fight azania. You were using his conditioning to downplay the significance of his loss to Fury on another thread and on this one you are ignoring it to bolster Furys win over him. If you dont put much stock in the result due to the shape Chisora came in at then its only logical to assume that Furys victory over him must also suffer.

Mccall great?

manos de piedra wrote:I dont think one can have it both ways with the Chisora fight azania. You were using his conditioning to downplay the significance of his loss to Fury on another thread and on this one you are ignoring it to bolster Furys win over him. If you dont put much stock in the result due to the shape Chisora came in at then its only logical to assume that Furys victory over him must also suffer.

When Chisora and Fury signed for the fight, Fury was not to know what shape Chisora would come in at.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
It does not matter how in shape you are you need to face tough, decent opposition to evaluate you're credentials.

He is a good Heavyweight, and if he has improved his athleticism, then the chances are he is going to perform even better... and just because he has swerved one fighter it does not mean he has not fought anyone, he has fought a the best in the UK bar one fighter...

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:I dont think one can have it both ways with the Chisora fight azania. You were using his conditioning to downplay the significance of his loss to Fury on another thread and on this one you are ignoring it to bolster Furys win over him. If you dont put much stock in the result due to the shape Chisora came in at then its only logical to assume that Furys victory over him must also suffer.

When Chisora and Fury signed for the fight, Fury was not to know what shape Chisora would come in at.

Thats not the issue though. Im looking at the result itself. On another thread you said you didnt put much stock in the result due to Chisoras conditioning. But when it comes to Fury you then use the result to reflect favourably on Fury. If you dont put much stock in the result in order to explain away the defeat on Chisoras record then on the other hand using the result to argue in favour of Fury comes across as just picking two different sides of the same fight to suit two different arguments.

The issue is that he signed for Chisora which seeing as Del was lined up to face Wlad showed that Fury was not scared. Yes I believe that were Chisora in shape he would have beat Fury. But an unfit Chisora is still a step up from what most other contenders have faced.

Im not accusing him of being scared, although I dont think Chisora should be scaring any decent heavyweight anyway. When Fury fought him he was basically a domestic level champ with a couple of good wins over Sam Sexton. He wasnt all that highly rated.

Im not sure what you mean by other contenders? I would say nearly all of the top ten rated heavyweights around have fought better or at least equal to a fat Chisora.

But in essence if you dont rate the Chisora fight due to Chisoras condition then its hard to rate it as a win for Fury is the point Im making.

On another issue, I dont really understand how you can pick a fully fit Chisora to beat Fury, but then say on another thread you think Fury would beat Vitali. I know you dont rate Vitali but Chisora only took about 3 rounds off him and it was a Chisora in far better shape than the one that faced Fury.

manos de piedra wrote:Im not accusing him of being scared, although I dont think Chisora should be scaring any decent heavyweight anyway. When Fury fought him he was basically a domestic level champ with a couple of good wins over Sam Sexton. He wasnt all that highly rated.

Im not sure what you mean by other contenders? I would say nearly all of the top ten rated heavyweights around have fought better or at least equal to a fat Chisora.

But in essence if you dont rate the Chisora fight due to Chisoras condition then its hard to rate it as a win for Fury is the point Im making.

On another issue, I dont really understand how you can pick a fully fit Chisora to beat Fury, but then say on another thread you think Fury would beat Vitali. I know you dont rate Vitali but Chisora only took about 3 rounds off him and it was a Chisora in far better shape than the one that faced Fury.

When Fury fought him he was due to fight Wlad. I agree that he didn't warrant a fight with Wlad, but thems the facts.

Other contenders such as Seth, Wilder and Price. They haven't fought a live opponent yet.

Styles make fights. Fury will always have problems with pressure fighters imo, but will not have much problem with a slower upright boxer with poor footwork. Wlad would slaughter Fury though.

Yeah but Chisoras initial choice of opponent for Wlad was panned and seen as a mismatch.

Fury fought Chisora when he was at a similar stage of his career to where Price is now. And I think Price is seen as having more potential and is higher rated than Chisora was back then.

I wouldnt be confident of Furys chances against Vitali at all. I think hes waiting for Vitali to make good on his retirement talk. I dont think Vitali is anything near as bad as you illustrate, even if he is past his peak and ageing. Even at 40 I think his all round speed and movement is better than Fury. Drawing straight comparisons at this time is almost pointless in any event because Fury is just not fighting at a high enough level to make it worthwhile.

If he fought Adamek next like Hennessy says they will then it would be an ideal chance to compare, because I think Vitali was quite impressive in that fight last year. But sadly I dont think Hennessy will make it happen unless its for a vacant title or a shot at a different champion.

manos de piedra wrote:Yeah but Chisoras initial choice of opponent for Wlad was panned and seen as a mismatch.

Fury fought Chisora when he was at a similar stage of his career to where Price is now. And I think Price is seen as having more potential and is higher rated than Chisora was back then.

I wouldnt be confident of Furys chances against Vitali at all. I think hes waiting for Vitali to make good on his retirement talk. I dont think Vitali is anything near as bad as you illustrate, even if he is past his peak and ageing. Even at 40 I think his all round speed and movement is better than Fury. Drawing straight comparisons at this time is almost pointless in any event because Fury is just not fighting at a high enough level to make it worthwhile.

If he fought Adamek next like Hennessy says they will then it would be an ideal chance to compare, because I think Vitali was quite impressive in that fight last year. But sadly I dont think Hennessy will make it happen unless its for a vacant title or a shot at a different champion.

Price is getting more hype. I'm not so sure about him having more potential. I am very confident in Fury being able to beat Vitali now. I've said much of my reasons over some time so wont repeat myself. I have severe reservations about his movement. To be fair, perhaps his leg injury together with age is catching up with him but he is damn slow and ponderous. He knows how to fight tall which wont have much of an effect on Fury.

If anyone believes Fury will fight Adamek as Hennesey says, well I have a bridge in London to sell them.

azania wrote: Price is getting more hype. I'm not so sure about him having more potential. I am very confident in Fury being able to beat Vitali now. I've said much of my reasons over some time so wont repeat myself. I have severe reservations about his movement. To be fair, perhaps his leg injury together with age is catching up with him but he is damn slow and ponderous. He knows how to fight tall which wont have much of an effect on Fury.

If anyone believes Fury will fight Adamek as Hennesey says, well I have a bridge in London to sell them.

Price definitely has more potential to go with the hype. Price has blasted past Dallas, mcDermott and Sexton recently in 13 fights. Pre chisora Tyson got a controversial win vs McDermott and took 9 to he trid of him 2nd time and that's about it but the Brazilian in prizefighter and Zak page. Post chisora he hasn't really faced harder opponents.

Fury has the better resume slightly (6 more fights) but price has been a lot more impressive with the guys put in front of him

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:

azania wrote: Price is getting more hype. I'm not so sure about him having more potential. I am very confident in Fury being able to beat Vitali now. I've said much of my reasons over some time so wont repeat myself. I have severe reservations about his movement. To be fair, perhaps his leg injury together with age is catching up with him but he is damn slow and ponderous. He knows how to fight tall which wont have much of an effect on Fury.

If anyone believes Fury will fight Adamek as Hennesey says, well I have a bridge in London to sell them.

Price definitely has more potential to go with the hype. Price has blasted past Dallas, mcDermott and Sexton recently in 13 fights. Pre chisora Tyson got a controversial win vs McDermott and took 9 to he trid of him 2nd time and that's about it but the Brazilian in prizefighter and Zak page. Post chisora he hasn't really faced harder opponents.

Fury has the better resume slightly (6 more fights) but price has been a lot more impressive with the guys put in front of him

Dallas got blasted out in Prizefighter showing his calibre and jobbed Page. As for Fat Mac, he was there for the payday and showed as much ambition as a tired drunk. Tyson has fought better opponents. I don't know what the debate is. Yes Fury is a laddish jerk, but fair play to him he has stepped up when asked.

Price has potential and will be a very good fighter. I reckon Fury is better. No hate for Price here. Strictly boxing.

azania wrote:Nice one Truss. I have been singing his praises after yesterday's performance. As for Price, he is still slightly below the Vinnie Madalone level of opponents. He needs to step up so we can see how good he is.

Correct Alex. You sang his praises and I was one of those who laughed at you. I take it back. Fury may be an oaf, but he is an oaf who can fight. Personally I'd rather him that Price rule the division. At least Fury has a personality. Price makes Ricky Burns sound exciting.

What? Is this a wind up?

Didnt Tyson Fury get beat by McDermott in the first fight (i know he won, but we all know he didnt) and then he slugged him out over 9 rounds? Didnt Price destroy him in less then a minute?


Sam Sexton the guy who hammered Rogan into submission a few years back was smashed in 4 rounds by Price?



Yes he had good combinations against Maddelone..............but how old is he, whats his record?? This fight was pathetic for boxing and Fury is a hype job. He has been dropped by Malignaggi type power shots (non existant).

Just Imagine for a second when Fury fights someone his own size (Like Klitchkos/Price/Mitchell/Helenius) who can punch?? Soon as that first right hand cracks his stupid Irish skull, its lights out to not only the last brain cells of his, but his career.



What are they on about after? He has a jab like Larry Holmes?? Maddelone IS a world class fighter?? No.


Ill give him his dues when he fights someone decent and in shape.


Until that day, he is simply an accident waiting to happen............i cant WAIT to witness it!!!


Quicker he gets off the seen, the better it is for us all.

tunes666 wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
It does not matter how in shape you are you need to face tough, decent opposition to evaluate you're credentials.

He is a good Heavyweight, and if he has improved his athleticism, then the chances are he is going to perform even better... and just because he has swerved one fighter it does not mean he has not fought anyone, he has fought a the best in the UK bar one fighter...

Sam Sexton, David Haye, David Price, Matt Skelton, Tom Dallas...................not to mention he (in most eyes) lost against McDermott 1st time round and then took 9 rounds to put him away. He fought an over weight Chisora and won on points, however, Chisora had him rocked early on and had he been fit he would have put him away.


He has fought a bunch of handpicked bums and channel 5 make out that Rogan is a great EU level fighter (dont see how) and last night they said Maddelone IS (not was) World Class?! The compared Tyson Fury to bloody Larry Holmes for christs sake.


Stick him in with a live fighter with a decent record then will see what happens.


If he comes out on top against Price/Helenius/Mitchell etc etc (who are all pretty much at the same point as Fury) then ill start to think highly of him.

Also, why call out Adamek?? He is about 6 ft tall blown up Cruiserweight who has no power at the weight.


Stick Fury in with Arreola.........now he is a good gatekeeper.



Until then, he is a hype job accident waiting to happen.

Is Fury a natural southpaw? He seems to get a bit face first and square on in the orthodox stance. It caught up with him against pajkic with the overhand right and probably will again at some point. When he fought Rogan, although not a great opponent, he looked much more comfortable and performed better defensively.