Tyson Fury - An apology!!

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To think of all the garbage I've thrown at this guy!!!.......

However............In great shape (No more useless slob!!)........good workrate.....good jab and quality combinations...

For a guy at 6ft 9in who can land crisp combinations and keep guys off with a decent jab and smother up close...He's going to be a difficult night for anybody!!!

Sure his opponent was garbage but this guy looks a different fighter in SHAPE!!!

Soft opponent or not...........He's a puzzle for anybody to solve.....Certainly being taller than the Klits he'd be trouble!!!

As for Price well not so sure anymore that it's an easy night....

Close to pickem...

Tyson fury I apologise....you can fight!!!! Keep improving as well....because you're a character and Boxing needs those!!

Might be wrong about this guy.....Hope I am..

you really cant use that fight as any kind of indication of where tyson fury is, as you need a oppenent thats not a standing target and has only one punch the overhand right, a punch that royal mail could send quicker via telegraph!

maddalone was truely awful, while tyson fury loos like he's in better shape its pretty hard to tell when he's not being pushed. these combinations are all well and good against rubbish like him but bit tougher when he will have a moving target.

the real frustrating thing with fury is he's gone backwards after his win against chisora, nobodys expecting him to go fight the klitschko's but you do expect a clear progression in level of oppenents. but fury seems happpy fighting rubbish like rogan and maddalone. he's never going to progress agaisnt these. say what you want about prices hype but he at least has been slowly stepping up in class with dallas, mcdermott and sexton all decent opppostion for a 13 fight novice

azania wrote:Onetwo, this isn't a body beautiful contest. If it was Bruno would have slaughtered Witherspoon. I haven't seen too much of Seth to make a firm opinion. He hasn't fought anyone on the way up as Fury did with Chisora. Until then.....!

Never has a fighter got more props off the back of one fight that you give Fury for Chisora. 1 good fight out of 18 odd and you go on and on about it like it was some massive test and proof of Fury's greatness. Fact of the matter is Fury's opposition has declined since and, whilst it's purely speculation, I cannot imagine the result being the same if the Chisora that fought Vitali turned up against Fury rather than the bloated toad that actually did.

Fury looked good against terrible opposition this sat, jab looked its sharpest I've seen, his hands are quick for a heavy and he has decent punch variety. He also looked in better shape than I've seen him for a long time (ever?). But let's not get away from this being a glorified pub fight. Maddanobody was one of the worst heavies I've seen in the ring, the commentators calling him a 'C' level fighter was incredibily generous - would back Sam Sexton to do a number on him and even Marty Rogan to best him.

Who is going on about his greatness. I have said on this very thread that Chisora in shape will probably beat him.

As for his level of opposition, it could be better. But what is being done has been done for many HW and other prospects including Price. Fight poor opposition to showcase off what has been drilled to him in the gym. Do you think he would fight southpaw against a decent level of opponent? Of course not.

Compelling, how can you slaughter Madalone and then say Dallas, Fat Mac are decent opponents? They are worse than Madalone.

azania wrote:Who is going on about his greatness. I have said on this very thread that Chisora in shape will probably beat him.

As for his level of opposition, it could be better. But what is being done has been done for many HW and other prospects including Price. Fight poor opposition to showcase off what has been drilled to him in the gym. Do you think he would fight southpaw against a decent level of opponent? Of course not.

Compelling, how can you slaughter Madalone and then say Dallas, Fat Mac are decent opponents? They are worse than Madalone.

How can you reward Fury for a Fat Chis but disregard Price's better performance against a Fat Mac?

Fury has 1 name on his record ahead of Price (being an appallingly out of shape Chisora) but you make it out like this makes him head and shoulders above Price and even Seth Mitchel who's record is without doubt stronger. Fat Chis > Timo

azania wrote:Who is going on about his greatness. I have said on this very thread that Chisora in shape will probably beat him.

As for his level of opposition, it could be better. But what is being done has been done for many HW and other prospects including Price. Fight poor opposition to showcase off what has been drilled to him in the gym. Do you think he would fight southpaw against a decent level of opponent? Of course not.

Compelling, how can you slaughter Madalone and then say Dallas, Fat Mac are decent opponents? They are worse than Madalone.

the same mcdermott that beat fury?? dallas has gone off the rails since but was being built up before the price fight. i said for his 10,11 and 12th fight these are decent oppostion and gradually improving. fury's now had 19 and since chisora his opponents appear to be getting worse. and yes im saying that mcdermott sexton are better than maddalone, simply have to look at mcdermotts fight against fury to see this, unless fury is a unstoppable machine now who improves no end after fighting rogan?

I can't understand why people are criticising Fury for looking good in beating someone. Yes Maddalone was poor, but Fury can't beat Arreola or whoever when he is fighting Maddalone can he.

He can only beat who they put in front of him, as he said in his interview he is the fighter, Mick is the promoter.

If anyone deserves the criticism it is Hennessy.

Union Cane wrote:I can't understand why people are criticising Fury for looking good in beating someone. Yes Maddalone was poor, but Fury can't beat Arreola or whoever when he is fighting Maddalone can he.

He can only beat who they put in front of him, as he said in his interview he is the fighter, Mick is the promoter.

If anyone deserves the criticism it is Hennessy.

cant say i buy into the always the promoters fault for fighters fighting rubbish either, fighters always have a say. calzaghe didnt get away with it neither should fury or any boxer for that matter

and from what ive read the majority of the criticism is for fighting maddalone in the first place not beating him.

compelling and rich wrote:

azania wrote:Who is going on about his greatness. I have said on this very thread that Chisora in shape will probably beat him.

As for his level of opposition, it could be better. But what is being done has been done for many HW and other prospects including Price. Fight poor opposition to showcase off what has been drilled to him in the gym. Do you think he would fight southpaw against a decent level of opponent? Of course not.

Compelling, how can you slaughter Madalone and then say Dallas, Fat Mac are decent opponents? They are worse than Madalone.

the same mcdermott that beat fury?? dallas has gone off the rails since but was being built up before the price fight. i said for his 10,11 and 12th fight these are decent oppostion and gradually improving. fury's now had 19 and since chisora his opponents appear to be getting worse. and yes im saying that mcdermott sexton are better than maddalone, simply have to look at mcdermotts fight against fury to see this, unless fury is a unstoppable machine now who improves no end after fighting rogan?

The same Fat Mac who said he trained like never before but came in 2 stone heavier. Was it the same Mac who gave Williams fits? This version has zero ambition other than looking for a payday to pay food bills.

Yes his opponents are getting worse since Chisora. They are opponents designed to make his practice his new moves on. All fighters have those oppinents. Call it a live sparring session.

Dallas came in at 2 days notice and got the treatment his skills deserved. The guy lost to Paige previously. His level was known.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:Who is going on about his greatness. I have said on this very thread that Chisora in shape will probably beat him.

As for his level of opposition, it could be better. But what is being done has been done for many HW and other prospects including Price. Fight poor opposition to showcase off what has been drilled to him in the gym. Do you think he would fight southpaw against a decent level of opponent? Of course not.

Compelling, how can you slaughter Madalone and then say Dallas, Fat Mac are decent opponents? They are worse than Madalone.

How can you reward Fury for a Fat Chis but disregard Price's better performance against a Fat Mac?

Fury has 1 name on his record ahead of Price (being an appallingly out of shape Chisora) but you make it out like this makes him head and shoulders above Price and even Seth Mitchel who's record is without doubt stronger. Fat Chis > Timo

There is a huge gulf in class between Fat Mac and Fat Chisora.

Right now he is head and shoulders above Price without doubt. As for Timo, his time had come and was without ambition whereas Chisora still had ambitions. One was fat and live whilst the other was near comatose.

compelling and rich wrote:calzaghe didnt get away with it neither should fury or any boxer for that matter.

Agreed, and if Fury becomes world champion and is still defending against the likes of Maddalone then I'll be the first to criticise him for it. Fury is 24 years old and has under 20 fights to his name, that is what people seem to be forgetting. He's not claiming to be a world beater at this stage.

Union Cane wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:calzaghe didnt get away with it neither should fury or any boxer for that matter.

Agreed, and if Fury becomes world champion and is still defending against the likes of Maddalone then I'll be the first to criticise him for it. Fury is 24 years old and has under 20 fights to his name, that is what people seem to be forgetting. He's not claiming to be a world beater at this stage.

Errr, he was saying that he's ready for K2 NOW!!!

He'd beat Vitali now, but Wlad would give him a new one.

azania wrote:Errr, he was saying that he's ready for K2 NOW!!!

He is saying that with the full knowledge that Hennessy will serve him up Bert Cooper or someone for his next fight.

This whole thread has to be a wind up.

Tyson Fury looked good against one of the worst opponents I've seen step into the ring at this level. In his corner he said and I quote "I have to land this big right hand - come on!"

Vinny Maddalone was there to land one big punch and nothing else. His defense wasn't there. His reactions were slow, his footwork was cumbersome, he didn't throw more than one punch at a time, his inside work wasn't there. Nothing.

We can't bash Tyson for winning but STOP giving him any sort of plaudits for what he did. He looked good hitting a moving punching bag. It didn't show anything about what we need to know about Tyson Fury before he goes in with any big names. The fact he mentioned the Klitschko's is utterly laughable. What a joke. He would get murdered on fire.

it was like a sparring match, watching that fight. We can't say anything good about Fury. Nothing bad....but nothing good. I could have hit that Maddalone guy as often as Fury and with combinations. All boxers are taught to throw more than 1 or 2 punches at a time. The reason they don't is because they leave themselves open for the most part at world level, but nothing was coming back, so of course he was going to throw some more.

In Jeesus name I thought Fury was ok but that's about it. Got himself off balance a few times and looked very amateurish for it.

Union Cane wrote:

azania wrote:Errr, he was saying that he's ready for K2 NOW!!!

He is saying that with the full knowledge that Hennessy will serve him up Bert Cooper or someone for his next fight.

he also said he was going onto bigger and better things after vacating the belts to avoid price

i think by bigger he meant fatter

He could not beat EITHER K bro. Nowhere near. This is absoluteley ridiculous.


He could beat Vitali?! Really?! Id love to see that.

Id love to see him fight any K Bro in his next fight because it will be the most one sided beat down in history.


And ill love every second of this hype job getting absolutely smashed to peices for running his mouth and fighting complete garbage cans.


People say he is 24 years old with 20 fights and thats a good thing.

He has fought who sorry???


Didnt Alvarez have a hell of a lot more at his age and people give him stick?


Fury = Bum

mobilemaster8 wrote:He could not beat EITHER K bro. Nowhere near. This is absoluteley ridiculous.


He could beat Vitali?! Really?! Id love to see that.

Id love to see him fight any K Bro in his next fight because it will be the most one sided beat down in history.


And ill love every second of this hype job getting absolutely smashed to peices for running his mouth and fighting complete garbage cans.


People say he is 24 years old with 20 fights and thats a good thing.

He has fought who sorry???


Didnt Alvarez have a hell of a lot more at his age and people give him stick?


Fury = Bum

Calm down, did he do a shoddy job with your driveway mate?

Union Cane wrote:

mobilemaster8 wrote:He could not beat EITHER K bro. Nowhere near. This is absoluteley ridiculous.


He could beat Vitali?! Really?! Id love to see that.

Id love to see him fight any K Bro in his next fight because it will be the most one sided beat down in history.


And ill love every second of this hype job getting absolutely smashed to peices for running his mouth and fighting complete garbage cans.


People say he is 24 years old with 20 fights and thats a good thing.

He has fought who sorry???


Didnt Alvarez have a hell of a lot more at his age and people give him stick?


Fury = Bum

Calm down, did he do a shoddy job with your driveway mate?

Racist. Fury is a man of God now.

I was expecting Mcdermott's name to show up....but I disregard that fight..

Fury's conditioning was awful.....

Not the greatest comparison but an in shape Witherspoon gave Holmes massive problems and then slob-Witherspoon looked awful against Bruno and Smith....


One thing is for sure that he looks tons better now....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I was expecting Mcdermott's name to show up....but I disregard that fight..

Fury's conditioning was awful.....

Not the greatest comparison but an in shape Witherspoon gave Holmes massive problems and then slob-Witherspoon looked awful against Bruno and Smith....


One thing is for sure that he looks tons better now....

thats the crux of the issue truss, he looks better but we dont really know if he is better because of his poor level of oppenents, i could lose weight but wouldnt mean i would be much fitter. he needs testing against someone who will make him work and has at least more than one punch in his arsenal. all this moving to south paw to avoid the big over hand right that he keeps getting tagged with is amatuerish as when he steps up to world level he will have alot more to deal with than just a over hand right

No but we can see by his speed, combination punching etc..

That he's becoming skilled in certain facets..

Did we watch the same fight Truss?

Speed? Combination punching? Nothing was coming back, so he was always going to throw in 5's and 6's - that doesn't make him a good boxer, it just makes his opponent very poor.

We call them taps in Britain Truss...

I have noticed that Fury is developing a habit of pulling that Audley-esque frightened face whenever a punch is incoming, and that concerns me.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I was expecting Mcdermott's name to show up....but I disregard that fight..

Fury's conditioning was awful.....

Not the greatest comparison but an in shape Witherspoon gave Holmes massive problems and then slob-Witherspoon looked awful against Bruno and Smith....


One thing is for sure that he looks tons better now....

This is what confuses me. You state you disregard it because Fury was out of shape. But yet when you mention the "Fury Record" everyone names Chisora........who was out of shape!


So if we disregard that fight, its quite clear that he has fought nobody!

Union Cane wrote:We call them taps in Britain Truss...

I have noticed that Fury is developing a habit of pulling that Audley-esque frightened face whenever a punch is incoming, and that concerns me.

It does not concern me. Its just the fact he is simply scared of being punched by anyone. Period.


If he is nailed by a K Bro jab, or a Price right straight, he would poo his pants.

Fury would get murdered by Wlads jab. Look at the speed of their jabs. Watch a Fury fight, then watch a Wlad fight.

Theres your answer.

Seems to be alot of comparisons being made with the McDermott fights, which is understandable cause its their common opponent, but what people seem to be forgetting is Tyson fought a 29 year old John coming off a poor decision against Danny Williams, in only his 8th fight as a 21 year old with only a short amatuer career.

David Price was 28, against an even worse shape McDermott, 4 fights further into his pro career and after a more extensive amatuer career too. So think people are being a little unfair on Tyson.

Also using Sam Sexton as an achievement is really scrapping the barrel, Sexton was beat by Rogan in the 1st fight barring some shocking refereeing and only beat Larry Olubamiwo by a 5th round technical decision after his hammering by McDemott.

Let keep things in perspective. For the record I think Price would beat Fury just think people are being silly due to preference.

There seems to be a complete lack of objectivity. Some people do not like Fury so will ingore the obvious improvement he displayed and use excuses to put him down. The refusal to acknowledge he has fought a better calibre of opponent that his main domestic rival is telling.

For me Fury looked very good and sharp. Yes his opponent was worse than rubbish but he was there to allow Fury to showcase his skills which he did. With the HW scene as bad as it has ever been, Fury can make a name for himself. And after his recent improvement, I can see his beating Vitali. Price will be there for the taking also.

when has john mcdermott ever been in shape????

price beat a out of shape mcdermott yes, fury won a questionable descion against a out of shape mcdermott, their second was just as bad. reminded me of the simpsons when homer boxers and only wins by pushing them over because the oppenent was gassed!

Fury would never fight a KBro due to his contractual obligations with Channel 5

compelling and rich wrote:when had john mcdermott ever been in shape????

Round is a shape.

who was that rant aimed at truss?

Tourettesman66

What has an out of shape mcdermott got to do with anything..

I'm saying Fury was out of shape..

Maybe JM can go into to the repercussions as he no doubts has pearls of wisdom from his sparring days to offer..

This is not a criticism but do we really need Boxing lessons from people that wrote..

"Going to America next week to spar with Khan but have to pay for the flight myself"

"I only did it because I respect you all so much"

Little more modesty from some posters wouldn't go a miss!!!!!!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What has an out of shape mcdermott got to do with anything..

I'm saying Fury was out of shape..

Maybe JM can go into to the repercussions as he no doubts has pearls of wisdom from his sparring days to offer..

out of shape comment wasnt aimed at you, but people had been discrediting price victory over mcdermott because john was out of shape, then they clearly havnt seen the fury fights. how a professional "athlete" can be that fat is beyond me.

Oh dear, Trussman fighting a losing battle so he has to resort to a posters past in an attempt to discredit him

Fact: Vinny Maddalone was a rubbish opponent. Anyone would have looked good against him. That doesn't make the guy who faced him a great boxer or that we can take anything from the win other than he can punch an opponent who stands there and takes it.

I just don't see what you saw because I'm not trying to wind anyone up.

I don't think "we" need boxing lessons from you either Trussman - I like how you're talking for the entire forum there, are you really THAT arrogant?

azania wrote:There seems to be a complete lack of objectivity. Some people do not like Fury so will ingore the obvious improvement he displayed and use excuses to put him down. The refusal to acknowledge he has fought a better calibre of opponent that his main domestic rival is telling.

For me Fury looked very good and sharp. Yes his opponent was worse than rubbish but he was there to allow Fury to showcase his skills which he did. With the HW scene as bad as it has ever been, Fury can make a name for himself. And after his recent improvement, I can see his beating Vitali. Price will be there for the taking also.

Is this some sort of a joke?


Can you explain your logic behind Tyson Fury even coming close to beating Vitali and also Price. (Based on the fact that Fury has not really fought a live in shape fighter and has a shocking chin)????


Cheers.

Get my comments removed sad sack...

cry baby.....

Tell you what mods..leave all his Poopie on here I don't mind..

I haven't asked for anyone to remove anything, if people want to see what you wrote - let them. Adds weight to the fact you're a condescending arrogant bully, pretty sure they won't need much help seeing that to be honest.

The second we debate, you instantly jump in with what I've said previously. You're a joke mate, you claim on one thread that its all good banter and then you come up with the malicious comments the next time we talk. Its like you're either (like I've alluded to) - a very subtle WUM, or just a completely abhorrent person.

Anybody on here sparred with tyson Fury??

Or alternatively you could both choose to debate the topic in a mature and civil manner, because this may come as something of a shock but most moderators would rather not have to do anything.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I haven't asked for anyone to remove anything, if people want to see what you wrote - let them. Adds weight to the fact you're a condescending arrogant bully, pretty sure they won't need much help seeing that to be honest.

The second we debate, you instantly jump in with what I've said previously. You're a joke mate, you claim on one thread that its all good banter and then you come up with the malicious comments the next time we talk. Its like you're either like I've alluded to - a very subtle WUM, or just a completely abhorrent person.

Unfortunately for Truss........Lack of boxing knowledge..............or schizophrenia................are his downfall.

Ignore him!

Can't say I was impressed by Fury as it was little more than a glorified sparring session. Yes, he's in shape, so credit him for that, but the quality of opposition he faced was so dire it should in no way be an indicator that he's ready to step into the ring with the K's. To be brutally honest, his talk of facing the K's on the back of beating Vinnie was almost embarrassing. To suggest he was a top American HW sadly says a great deal about the state of the HW division in the USA.

If, as Fury claims, he's ready to face anyone (his words) then surely a domestic matchup with Price is the obvious next step....oh, wait, they've already avoided Price in order to face the mighty Marty Rogan.

To me, they should face each other, the winner then aims for the Euro strap with at least one defence before the K's come a'knockin' and the K's WILL come calling. They'll look to secure a fight with either of them BEFORE they become rounded enough to cause them any problems.

Can't see what Adamek has to gain by facing Fury. If Adamek still has world title ambitions, Fury isn't going to assist him in getting back to the top and I can't see how Fury will improve by facing a man who will have a 14" reach and 7 or 8" height disadvantage. Of course, I look forward to hearing how Fury must surely be world class if he beats a man that was previously given a career shortening drubbing by Vitali

This is what happens....all the hard men ganging up...

I don't know anything.. now please go and post on a more childish thread..

Rowley, I'm not being tarred with the same brush as this man AGAIN am I? Please read through the comments and see where it all went wrong.

Or as usual, let him do whatever the hell he wants.

Truss, you're a joke mate. Look at you "I'm losing the ability to affect peoples judgement on this guy - better tell him to go away"

How about we stick to facts. objectivity. Debate.

Instead of childish provocation, because I always rise to it, and I know I shouldn't - but you shouldn't be such a twonk to even bother in the first place.

Stay on topic please.

He's spoiling my thread.....

He started it again!!! old Walter..

Dave I believe finding other contenders to fight will be difficult as there is so much money to be made at heavyweight...

Klits or wait for a belt..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He's spoiling my thread.....

He started it again!!! old Walter..

Dave I believe finding other contenders to fight will be difficult as there is so much money to be made at heavyweight...

Klits or wait for a belt..

Post where I "started" it.

"PLEASE MISS HE STARTED IT, IT WASN'T ME HONEST"

And you have the bare cheek to call anyone immature or childish. Lets stay on topic.

This is a wum thread...shed any light???