John Terry

I came on today hearing that his court case is today, thinking i was going to find a thread about it. i thought it was strange there wasnt one until to my disgust i read that the maximum punishment he will be getting is a £2,500 fine....

I couldn't agree more! A fine of that amount is literally peanuts to a man on his wages. Surely if anybody on here was found to use racist language in the work place they'd be struck off and never find employment again?

John Terry has rushed into the adjacent court to join in with the not guilty celebrations of somebody he doesn't know.

I don't see the point of the hearing if that's the penalty

Its a joke, a f*%king joke, He is so vile, and I can just imagine his smug face knowing he will not be having the same punishment as Suarez (and even that wouldnt be enough for Terry)

Let me add to that, he is caught on f%*king camera saying it, what more proof do you need. Im sorry but this has riled me up!!!!!!!!!

Funny how Suarez was found guilty of possibly saying something and got a much worse penalty than Terry can get, bet the FA don't punish him if and make some excuse that he's already been penalised.

hampo171 wrote:Funny how Suarez was found guilty of possibly saying something and got a much worse penalty than Terry can get, bet the FA don't punish him if and make some excuse that he's already been penalised.

prob go with insufficient evidence

while i agree with others in how much i dislike the man this is a public case and there not going to take into account how much money he earns. if for instance i got caught doing the same 2,500 is a hell of alot to me. they cant change the fines dependent the person it would be classed as unfair.

i knew the fa wanted this brushed under the carpet soon as he was on the plane to ukraine/poland. there all corrupt incompetent fools the lot of them. if your in with them you can do what you want if your not they screw you at every turn. only have to compare the treatment of rio to others to see its not a level playing field. a 9 month ban for missing a drugs test when others who were caught taking drugs got less and then didnt take him to the euro's because he doesnt terry because he racialy abused his brother!

bretmeharty wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Funny how Suarez was found guilty of possibly saying something and got a much worse penalty than Terry can get, bet the FA don't punish him if and make some excuse that he's already been penalised.

prob go with insufficient evidence

apart from the clear youtube video where you can clearly see him saying it

This case is ridiculous. A waste of taxpayers money.

Ferdinand insults Terry, Terry insults Ferdinand back. Both men look like idiots in this...............is Terry a racist, certainly not.

Political correctness gone mad..................

John Cregan wrote:This case is ridiculous. A waste of taxpayers money.

Ferdinand insults Terry, Terry insults Ferdinand back. Both men look like idiots in this...............is Terry a racist, certainly not.

Political correctness gone mad..................

dont think a very high profile player using racist comments is pc gone mad, anton may well have insulted terry, but you cant be seen to do what terry did and get away with it. what message does that send? epecially considering it was right on the back of the suarez issue and the many kick it out campaigns. if this wasnt a fa favourite the fa would have banned him for ten games and nobody would be still talking about it

The FA cant ban him while a court trial awaits.............assuming terry will get the same as Suarez whether found innocent or guilty.

The c*** word would have insulted me a lot more than the "black" word.
I think he just said "black" without thinking. Don't believe he intended it as racist..................

John Cregan wrote:The FA cant ban him while a court trial awaits.............assuming terry will get the same as Suarez whether found innocent or guilty.

The c*** word would have insulted me a lot more than the "black" word.
I think he just said "black" without thinking. Don't believe he intended it as racist..................

whether he intended it to be racist or not is nul and void if you say it like he did then its simply a racist comment, is terry a racist probably not. did he say a racist comment and deserves punishment yes

If he gets found guilty, surely FA have not choice but to hand him the same punishment they gave to Suarez

compelling and rich wrote:

John Cregan wrote:The FA cant ban him while a court trial awaits.............assuming terry will get the same as Suarez whether found innocent or guilty.

The c*** word would have insulted me a lot more than the "black" word.
I think he just said "black" without thinking. Don't believe he intended it as racist..................

whether he intended it to be racist or not is nul and void if you say it like he did then its simply a racist comment, is terry a racist probably not. did he say a racist comment and deserves punishment yes

If he said black, presumably to compund the insult as Im guessing Anton knows he is black, without thinking...doesnt that mean he is more likely to be inherently racist ?

i dont think the word black in reference to a persons skin colour is just something that would slip out someones mouth. even at your dimmest moment, would you refer to someone by their skin colour in an argument? no i expect you probably wouldn't. john terry is just a vile, horrible, doesnt care who he hurts, poor excuse for a human.

racially abuses a fellow human being
sleeps with his mates missus behind his and his own families back
spits at fellow pro's

how many more do we have?

What suprises me the most is, be it, Suarez or Terry, how many people come on here defending what they have said. Its not PC gone mad, its a racist comment, simple as that. Banning Baa-Baa Black Sheep is PC Gone Mad, calling someone a Black C**t is far far worse.

Obviously adding Black to calling him c**t has negative conotations to his skin colour! He didnt call him a good looking c**t, he tried to offend him, and in John Terrys tiny little brain, used the only thing he could think of to offend him.

For the record, i dont think he is a racist per say, but he used a racist term to try and offend someone, so he should face a heavy punishment.

What he is guilty of is being an horrible human being, with huge personality issues!

John Cregan wrote:The FA cant ban him while a court trial awaits.............assuming terry will get the same as Suarez whether found innocent or guilty.

The c*** word would have insulted me a lot more than the "black" word.
I think he just said "black" without thinking. Don't believe he intended it as racist..................

The Attorney General wont take action against Rio Ferdinand making comments about the case because in theory a judge cant be influenced by outside factors so why would the FAs decision do that?

They just bottld it and are letting the judge do their job for them

The lack of knowledge of the matter on this thread is shocking. I'm no Terry fan, indeed I'm a United man and I hate the man with a passion rivalled only by the heat of the sun.

However, his defense is, and has always been he used the term in a reply denying he said it. For example:

Anton: You called me a black c*nt!
Terry: I didn't call you a black c*nt!

There is nothing whatsoever racist in that second statement.

slyadams wrote:The lack of knowledge of the matter on this thread is shocking. I'm no Terry fan, indeed I'm a United man and I hate the man with a passion rivalled only by the heat of the sun.

However, his defense is, and has always been he used the term in a reply denying he said it. For example:

Anton: You called me a black c*nt!
Terry: I didn't call you a black c*nt!

There is nothing whatsoever racist in that second statement.

apart from the video where you can clearly see him saying "you f£"!%$ng black c*unt" of course thats his defence seeing though he's clearly been seen saying the word. and who shouts across the pitch saying i didnt call you a f£"!%$ng black c*unt, i know terrys stupid but he aint that stupid

slyadams wrote:The lack of knowledge of the matter on this thread is shocking. I'm no Terry fan, indeed I'm a United man and I hate the man with a passion rivalled only by the heat of the sun.

However, his defense is, and has always been he used the term in a reply denying he said it. For example:

Anton: You called me a black c*nt!
Terry: I didn't call you a black c*nt!

There is nothing whatsoever racist in that second statement.

It would work only for the fact that Ferdinand never said the first bit he was winding him up over Wayne Bridges ex

compelling and rich wrote:

slyadams wrote:The lack of knowledge of the matter on this thread is shocking. I'm no Terry fan, indeed I'm a United man and I hate the man with a passion rivalled only by the heat of the sun.

However, his defense is, and has always been he used the term in a reply denying he said it. For example:

Anton: You called me a black c*nt!
Terry: I didn't call you a black c*nt!

There is nothing whatsoever racist in that second statement.

apart from the video where you can clearly see him saying "you f£"!%$ng black c*unt" of course thats his defence seeing though he's clearly been seen saying the word. and who shouts across the pitch saying i didnt call you a f£"!%$ng black c*unt, i know terrys stupid but he aint that stupid

He will be using the chubacca defense next!

Terry was complimenting Ferdinand on his dress sense and shout "I like your FANCY BLACK COAT!"

See how easy it is for these lip readers to get it horribly wrong!

compelling and rich wrote:

slyadams wrote:The lack of knowledge of the matter on this thread is shocking. I'm no Terry fan, indeed I'm a United man and I hate the man with a passion rivalled only by the heat of the sun.

However, his defense is, and has always been he used the term in a reply denying he said it. For example:

Anton: You called me a black c*nt!
Terry: I didn't call you a black c*nt!

There is nothing whatsoever racist in that second statement.

apart from the video where you can clearly see him saying "you f£"!%$ng black c*unt" of course thats his defence seeing though he's clearly been seen saying the word. and who shouts across the pitch saying i didnt call you a f£"!%$ng black c*unt, i know terrys stupid but he aint that stupid

So sorry, I will correct to satisfy your pedantry:

Anton: You called me a Flip black c*nt!
Terry: I didn't call you a Flip black c*nt!

I'm not saying this is what happened, all I'm saying is that's his defence so all the statements on here saying "Its a waste of tax payers money to even have a trial" are factually incorrect. These are the reasons we DO have trials.

slyadams wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:

slyadams wrote:The lack of knowledge of the matter on this thread is shocking. I'm no Terry fan, indeed I'm a United man and I hate the man with a passion rivalled only by the heat of the sun.

However, his defense is, and has always been he used the term in a reply denying he said it. For example:

Anton: You called me a black c*nt!
Terry: I didn't call you a black c*nt!

There is nothing whatsoever racist in that second statement.

apart from the video where you can clearly see him saying "you f£"!%$ng black c*unt" of course thats his defence seeing though he's clearly been seen saying the word. and who shouts across the pitch saying i didnt call you a f£"!%$ng black c*unt, i know terrys stupid but he aint that stupid

So sorry, I will correct to satisfy your pedantry:

Anton: You called me a Flip black c*nt!
Terry: I didn't call you a Flip black c*nt!

I'm not saying this is what happened, all I'm saying is that's his defence so all the statements on here saying "Its a waste of tax payers money to even have a trial" are factually incorrect. These are the reasons we DO have trials.

Ferdinand says he wasn't aware of the alleged racist abuse until AFTER the game when he was informed by a friend, so has he somehow forgotten that he'd already supposed to have confronted Terry on the pitch about being called a "f****** black c***" (according to Terry)?

Has Terry called Ferdinand something that sounds like a "f****** black c***" and has Ferdinand said, "Did you just call me a f****** black c***?" only for Terry to say, "No, I didn't just call you a f****** black c***!"

Or is John Terry a f****** lying c***?

Maybe he reacted to Anton's irritating behaviour, understandable. Suarez meanwhile said 10 times "Negrito" to Evra hoping for a reaction to get sent off. Harrassment by Suarez is fine, a reaction by Terry is put to court?

Laughable

Suarez is also getting a far greater punishment, while Terry will probably be found not guilty.

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Maybe he reacted to Anton's irritating behaviour, understandable. Suarez meanwhile said 10 times "Negrito" to Evra hoping for a reaction to get sent off. Harrassment by Suarez is fine, a reaction by Terry is put to court?

Laughable

Nobody complained about Suarez officially, Evra was given the opportunity to take Suarez to court and declined. It has nothing to do with what allegedly happened in either event. A member of public complained about what John Terry said, only Evra heard whatever Suarez said.

Laughable.

this is a criminal court not a fa/uefa/fifa hearing.
The maximum punishment by law is a 2.5 grand fine, that is the way our law works, People dont get fined extra because of there status in this country. We cannot compare this situation to uefas stupid fines on these matters or fa's punishment on these matters..

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/john-terry-trial-please-please-please-could-you-repeat-that-7936075.html

In a hilarious misunderstanding, John Terry was asked to repeat evidence that he had been sent off four times in his career.

“Can you say, please, four times?” asked his QC, George Carter-Stephenson.

“Please, please, please, please,” Terry responded.

Guffaws of laughter broke out around the courtroom at the misunderstanding, which was a result of the judge asking Terry to speak up.

The footballer appeared confused by response from the courtroom.

If they gave bans for being a dumb chav, he would be in trouble after this

oh come on- lol - he must have said please 4 times as a joke!!

mystiroakey wrote:oh come on- lol - he must have said please 4 times as a joke!!

I hope so for his sake.

mystiroakey wrote:oh come on- lol - he must have said please 4 times as a joke!!

I doubt it, have you ever been to a court case? I've been and it's very, very tense, even the witnesses are nervous, never mind the guy getting charged. It's all very serious. If he was joking, it still shows how stupid he is, to make a joke while under charges of racism.

Ha ha, I would have thought without Football, Terry would be a regular in the courtroom.

One thing John terry is Crimey is a cocky *&(^, therefore he is gonna take that court case in his stride and probally appear nonchalent- I believe he is treating it with contempt- and making those sort of jokes would be exactly the sort of thing i would expect from JT. Especially considering it is a very minor charge with a minor penalty if he is convicted

mystiroakey wrote:One thing John terry is Crimey is a cocky *&(^, therefore he is gonna take that court case in his stride and probally appear nonchalent- I believe he is treating it with contempt- and making those sort of jokes would be exactly the sort of thing i would expect from JT. Especially considering it is a very minor charge with a minor penalty if he is convicted

while the fine is peanuts to terry, if he's convicted of this crime there will be alot of pressure on the fa to drop him from the england team, and his sponsers wont look to kindly on him either

I cant see how he can be convicted- there just is no compelling evidence- i am sure his lawyer has told him that anyway

Suarez got banned for using foul and abusive language in a racial manner and it did'nt matter to anyone what context it was said in. Terry has not denied using the language but said he used it as a question so if the FA were consistent they would ban Terry even if he is found to be innocent but I dont expect them to because they are a bunch of weak clowns.

And If Terry does get convicted I want to see all them idiots like Paul McGrath, Luther Blissett and that anti racism bloke Piara Power come out and blast Ashley Cole for defending a racist like they did with Glen Johnson.

Dubly i think your missunderstanding the point.

Sureaz didnt go on criminal trial- he was punished by the FA only, and admited using the term

There is every chance if JT gets convicted the FA will punish him after.. There are letting the police deal with it first(which does make alolt of sense)

There will be no consitancy if he is banned if he is found not guilty- I really dont understand your stance on this- that would be ludicrous. JT has completly denied using the language. saying "i didnt say black" means he is denying it- we need to use common sense on this one

Any chance of John Terry getting fired from his job like any normal person would be if found guilty? Of course not.......

There will be no consitancy if he is banned if he is found not guilty- I really dont understand your stance on this- that would be ludicrous. JT has completly denied using the language. saying "i didnt say black" means he is denying it- we need to use common sense on this one

It depends what the verdict is though. If he has found no guilty because of lack of evidence, he can still be banned by the FA because as they did in the Suarez case, they don't need as much evidence as a court case.

If the verdict is that he did say it, but his explanation is accepted than the FA probably can't ban him.

every chance he could get fired from england, no chance from chelsea, Did sureaz get fired!!- blimey lets get real here though- this is minor to what some do or have done in the past.. Just get over it.. Its just in the spot light more.

I have heard racist comments in the workplace hundreds of times- never once seen anyone get fired for it though- i am sure it happens in certain envioroments mond- but you obviously would be very surprised at what its like in the real world.. Remember that footballers are from the working class community on the whole- I dont advise you working on a construction site mate?

Crimey sureaz admitted it! terry hasnt..

its really that simple, 100% evidence in the sureaz case- they dont need any more evidence

mystiroakey wrote:Dubly i think your missunderstanding the point.

Sureaz didnt go on criminal trial- he was punished by the FA only, and admited using the term

There is every chance if JT gets convicted the FA will punish him after.. There are letting the police deal with it first(which does make alolt of sense)

There will be no consitancy if he is banned if he is found not guilty- I really dont understand your stance on this- that would be ludicrous. JT has completly denied using the language. saying "i didnt say black" means he is denying it- we need to use common sense on this one

Mate Terry has adimtted using the words, his defence is that he was using them as a question. If the fa didnt care what context Suarez said his words in then whats difference with Terry?

mystiroakey wrote:Crimey sureaz admitted it! terry hasnt..

its really that simple, 100% evidence in the sureaz case- they dont need any more evidence

http://sports.in.msn.com/football/article.aspx?cp-documentid=250290075

did he do this

"London: Chelsea captain John Terry has admitted using racially abusive
words against Queens Park Rangers player Anton Ferdinand, but in a
sarcastic manner, and was only repeating the phrase after Ferdinand had
uttered the phrase first."

or this

"The former England skipper told Ferdinand to "f*** off, f*** off ‚ f*****g black c***, f*****g knobhead".
"


you see he has only admitted to refernceing a comment- not the latter

John's problem is definitely tourettes. He's definitely not racist as proved here:

http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2011/11/27/john-terry-is-no-racist-say-black-ladies-who-snapped-him-chatting-to-them-at-a-restaurant-102039-23590099/

mystiroakey wrote:did he do this

"London: Chelsea captain John Terry has admitted using racially abusive
words against Queens Park Rangers player Anton Ferdinand, but in a
sarcastic manner, and was only repeating the phrase after Ferdinand had
uttered the phrase first."

or this

"The former England skipper told Ferdinand to "f*** off, f*** off ‚ f*****g black c***, f*****g knobhead".
"


you see he has only admitted to refernceing a comment- not the latter

He has admitted using the words but he is saying he repeated what Ferdinand said, if you believe him or not is you're choice. Suarez admitted using the words but said he was using it in a friendly manner, I dont see the difference really if Suarez is wrong then Terry is also wrong, all im asking for is fairness. If Terry is not convicted and the fa dont punish him for using racist language then they are saying they believe his word over Anton Ferdinands but in the Suarez case the fa took Evras word over Suarezs word.

Lip readers were also brought in to convict Suarez in the fa trial but they cant be used as evidence in a criminal trial because lip reading open to interpretation. Just goes to show how much Suarez was shafted by the fa and he would have got off if it was a criminal trial.

Ok..

If i say on here "i didnt call you a black %$£^"

am i gonna get banned.

If i call you a black !"£$- i would get banned.

can you not see the difference?

You are not applying apples with apples hear. We are a developed country and we dont use derivatives of the N word. Its not the done thing in thois country. It maybe ok in his(but still not to the black population). We have rules over here- and anyone that comes here should abide by them and get treated the same(ignorance is never an excuse)

But we are allowed to say "i didnt call you a black etc"

there is a very clear defined difference and i stand by that.

Now this is not a question of did he do it or not- its a question of being proven guilty or not!

I will be happy if he is found guilty in the courts to be banned by the FA. If he is found inncocent he shouldnt be. Its simple where i stand