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KHAN!!!!!!!!!
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Let the fun begin. KO to the man in 3.
Let the fun begin. KO to the man in 3.
azania- Posts : 19471
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I think if he went to Steward we'd see him do what Wlad does and hold when ever someone gets close, obviously Wlad has so much more ring IQ than Khan but he has to learn something has to change.
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Steward wouldn't risk his reputation on a defenseless fighter like him. Amir Khant needs to adjust and tighten his defense badly cause he aint good enough to get away with it.hampo171 wrote:Khan has to question whether he can really be the best he can be under Roach. He's needs to go to Steward in my opinion, the guy teaches the best jab in the business and it is something khan is drastically lacking.
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hampo171 wrote:I think if he went to Steward we'd see him do what Wlad does and hold when ever someone gets close, obviously Wlad has so much more ring IQ than Khan but he has to learn something has to change.
It's a something to consider mate, thing with Wlad his blessed with physical aces in his pack and in general is a conservative sort of guy.
Khan seems to want to punch a 1000 mph in bunches leaving him wide open, Roach, Steward whoever it maybe need to slow him down become more methodical, but saying that you're always walking on egg shells with Khan, it's a shame.
Cheers Rodders
Rodney- Posts : 1974
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Just too cocky, wasn't he - he had no respect for Garcia as a fighter and was already thinking ahead to Mayweather which now will never happen.
Where does he go from here? I'd love to see him fight Brook!
Where does he go from here? I'd love to see him fight Brook!
tobbox- Posts : 37
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Great to see our resident Khan nut hugger " KO to the man in 3" change his tune to "oh I like Garcia" "retire"
Great for Khan to know what kind of people follow him.
When Lara gets pasted it will be "I knew he wasn't elite anyway"
Humble pie is amazing on a Sunday morning haha.
Sorry Az, yo boy got spanked haha
On another note, great to see that big smile on Oscars face when Garcia was being interviewed. Just shows they don't have Khan as they're golden goose. So why would they set up appeals on his behalf without him knowing about it Az.
Come on, your living in a dream world.
Canelo and David Price are the future. Stop wasting your time with this silly over rated Cuban and the has been Khan.
Great for Khan to know what kind of people follow him.
When Lara gets pasted it will be "I knew he wasn't elite anyway"
Humble pie is amazing on a Sunday morning haha.
Sorry Az, yo boy got spanked haha
On another note, great to see that big smile on Oscars face when Garcia was being interviewed. Just shows they don't have Khan as they're golden goose. So why would they set up appeals on his behalf without him knowing about it Az.
Come on, your living in a dream world.
Canelo and David Price are the future. Stop wasting your time with this silly over rated Cuban and the has been Khan.
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Would a Mayweather or Steward help Khan anyone?
ONETWOFOREVER- Posts : 5510
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Dee, I'm not a poof so please quit your stalking. Now you're even talking about my nuts.
azania- Posts : 19471
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Dundee said of Ali that he knew he had a special fighter on his hands when he saw Ali take a great punch and come right back.
ONETWOFOREVER- Posts : 5510
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After Khan beat Michael Gomez, the Irishman made a comment which still stands today; "Khan is a world class boxer with world class flaws".
J.Benson II- Posts : 1258
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Time people faced facts Khan is a decent fighter but nothing special at world level. Every time he loses people try making excuses for him or blame his trainer when the truth is his defence is awful, he cant fight inside, he has not got a great chin, possesses a fairly poor boxing brain and he does not hit hard enough to take out the top men. Take away the fast hands, plenty of heart and the massive hype and you have a good but not great fighter. If he moves up Brook or any decent Welter puts him to sleep inside of 5 rounds for me, that chin is not gonna get better with bigger men hitting it.
hogey- Posts : 1367
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His trainer has not taught him how to use a jab. Look at the difference Manny Steward made with Lewis.
For the record, I'd take this version of Khan to beat Brook. Brook throws straight punches which Khan can get away from. Its hooks and counter hooks that causes his problems.....something Brook doesn't throw.
For the record, I'd take this version of Khan to beat Brook. Brook throws straight punches which Khan can get away from. Its hooks and counter hooks that causes his problems.....something Brook doesn't throw.
azania- Posts : 19471
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Always said khan has so many floors in his game that will stop him reaching the p4p heights. He throws fast combinations/flurries but he leaves himself wide open whilst doing so. His balance isn't great. His ring IQ is poor - he doesn't understand anything about covering up, buying time or even taking an 8 count - he just fights fire with fire - this is partly down to him having no natural defensive instincts and partly due to poor training from Roach who trains every fighter like pacquiao rather than utilising khans physical attributes such as his height & reach (no jab, no defence). Khan is so vulnerable to temple shots - always said its not his chin so much as the temple shots buzz him and scatter his senses easily hence the chicken dances. He's a decent fighter who's speed and well selected opponents mask a multitude of sins. Down several times early in his career, ko'd by precott, hangin mg on for dear life against maidana, lost to Peterson, now this. Who knows what he does now, but I'd say he definitely needs a new trainer and perhaps a move to 147 if he's to salvage any sort of career at the highest level.
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Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Great to see our resident Khan nut hugger " KO to the man in 3" change his tune to "oh I like Garcia" "retire"
Great for Khan to know what kind of people follow him.
When Lara gets pasted it will be "I knew he wasn't elite anyway"
Humble pie is amazing on a Sunday morning haha.
Sorry Az, yo boy got spanked haha
On another note, great to see that big smile on Oscars face when Garcia was being interviewed. Just shows they don't have Khan as they're golden goose. So why would they set up appeals on his behalf without him knowing about it Az.
Come on, your living in a dream world.
Canelo and David Price are the future. Stop wasting your time with this silly over rated Cuban and the has been Khan.
You really aren't very clever are you Dee? Kindly show me proof that I said that Khan was unaware of the appeal. If you do, I'll stop posting. What I said and repeated it for the less intlligent people such as yourself is that GBP TOLD Khan what they were going to do. You said clearly that Khan told GBP to appeal, which imo is beyond stupid.
As for Oscar smiling. Typical promoter. Reminds me of King walking in with Frazier and leaving with a smile and Foreman. Why that would mean what you say is something only an idiot would understand and make sense of.
Cheers
azania- Posts : 19471
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Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:Always said khan has so many floors in his game that will stop him reaching the p4p heights. He throws fast combinations/flurries but he leaves himself wide open whilst doing so. His balance isn't great. His ring IQ is poor - he doesn't understand anything about covering up, buying time or even taking an 8 count - he just fights fire with fire - this is partly down to him having no natural defensive instincts and partly due to poor training from Roach who trains every fighter like pacquiao rather than utilising khans physical attributes such as his height & reach (no jab, no defence). Khan is so vulnerable to temple shots - always said its not his chin so much as the temple shots buzz him and scatter his senses easily hence the chicken dances. He's a decent fighter who's speed and well selected opponents mask a multitude of sins. Down several times early in his career, ko'd by precott, hangin mg on for dear life against maidana, lost to Peterson, now this. Who knows what he does now, but I'd say he definitely needs a new trainer and perhaps a move to 147 if he's to salvage any sort of career at the highest level.
I agree. But when he held on to Maidana some haters here accused him of holding.
I don't think his opponents have been well selected. Outside of Bradley, who hasn't he fought?
azania- Posts : 19471
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At 135lb he fought no-one. At 140lb he's fought some good opponents such as kotelnik & Peterson, won a risky fight with maidana which he gets a lot of credit for, but paulie was tailor made for him, Judah is over the hill and mcloskey? Come on. His resume is ok but nothing special and he's been exposed on several occaisions. I'm not a khan hater, I'd live to see him do well but I've always had misgivings about his ability, the way he's trained and sometimes the way he's managed. Roach isn't playing to any of khans physical attributes, instead he's getting him to fight in a way that exposes his weaknesses just because he happens to be fast. Khan should be a stand up fighter who uses his jab and range and quick hands to outbox his opponents whilst protecting his own noggin. Just because he's fast doesn't mean he's pacquiao mk II - he doesn't have mannys chin or power and Roach needs to wise up.
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I think Khan's major weakness is in the overuse of the first person plural - surely he should be using the first person singular?
After the fight he said: we had a bad day at the office, Garcia hit us with a lucky punch, we were knocked to the canvas, we had our brain scrambled a bit, we were surprised the referee stopped it, we were just hitting our stride, we saw a man with a hat ...
After the fight he said: we had a bad day at the office, Garcia hit us with a lucky punch, we were knocked to the canvas, we had our brain scrambled a bit, we were surprised the referee stopped it, we were just hitting our stride, we saw a man with a hat ...
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Not sure were Khan can go from here. Beaten 3 times, once by a journeyman and twice by B-level fighters.
I have no doubt that Khan can still forge a decent career as a talented and entertaining LWW/WW. However, considering his ambitions seem to be much higher than that, it will be hard for him to mentally recover and accept lowering those aspirations.
I have no doubt that Khan can still forge a decent career as a talented and entertaining LWW/WW. However, considering his ambitions seem to be much higher than that, it will be hard for him to mentally recover and accept lowering those aspirations.
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Perhaps a Roger Mayweather type trainer who is denfensively minded is what Khan needs.
Khans glass jaw needs to be protected and Roach hasn't done a thing to tighten up Khan's defence.
Khans glass jaw needs to be protected and Roach hasn't done a thing to tighten up Khan's defence.
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Garcia may turn out to be a very good A list fighter. Khan, like all active british fighters is a B level operator. Comparing him to A listers is urinating in the wind.
He can be an upper B level fighter if he utilises his attributes better. His vulnerabilities will always make for good, edge of seats fights in that it always gives his opponents some confidence.
Someone give Manny Steward a call.
He can be an upper B level fighter if he utilises his attributes better. His vulnerabilities will always make for good, edge of seats fights in that it always gives his opponents some confidence.
Someone give Manny Steward a call.
azania- Posts : 19471
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First of all I think talk of Khan's future being bleak like some are saying is ridiculous.. While I think he was over rated he was still a world class fighter and is still quite young with a decent future.
But the bottom line is while he is a warrior and must get respect for that he still has a weakness in he does not like fighting on the inside and showed this again tonight when he was warned for pushing and holding down again.. and the reason being that his chin is an issue. Just because he has allot of heart it does not count out that when touched with a decent punch, he looses it.
And to be honest most fighters would have been told its over after Khans first knock down, as he was clearly dead on his feet. It was no better than how Chisora was when he made his second count last night against Haye.
I also thought Khan was lucky not to get stopped against Maidana..
And lastly while he lost a very close and maybe unlucky decision against Peterson, I do not think it had anything to do with drug taking, but his lack of ability to cope with pressure inside boxing..
I think the best road for Khan now would be to rematch Peterson, if he could beat him in a rematch which I think he would do, Then this would be good mentally for him. From there maybe he should then step up a weight as this seamed to improve his punch resistance last time he stepped up.. He also needs to work on other aspects and not so reliant on speed... as while very very effective its still one trick.
I had a feeling Garcia was a bit more than people were making out, he may not have many exceptional qualities but he has a little bit of everything, and allot of punch power... at Heart to that and you have the makings of a very good champ, time will tell.
But the bottom line is while he is a warrior and must get respect for that he still has a weakness in he does not like fighting on the inside and showed this again tonight when he was warned for pushing and holding down again.. and the reason being that his chin is an issue. Just because he has allot of heart it does not count out that when touched with a decent punch, he looses it.
And to be honest most fighters would have been told its over after Khans first knock down, as he was clearly dead on his feet. It was no better than how Chisora was when he made his second count last night against Haye.
I also thought Khan was lucky not to get stopped against Maidana..
And lastly while he lost a very close and maybe unlucky decision against Peterson, I do not think it had anything to do with drug taking, but his lack of ability to cope with pressure inside boxing..
I think the best road for Khan now would be to rematch Peterson, if he could beat him in a rematch which I think he would do, Then this would be good mentally for him. From there maybe he should then step up a weight as this seamed to improve his punch resistance last time he stepped up.. He also needs to work on other aspects and not so reliant on speed... as while very very effective its still one trick.
I had a feeling Garcia was a bit more than people were making out, he may not have many exceptional qualities but he has a little bit of everything, and allot of punch power... at Heart to that and you have the makings of a very good champ, time will tell.
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Peterson was stronger because of drugs.
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Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
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pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
Peteson was drugged.
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pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
True, and so should Roach.
Problem is now people are going to know they can drag Khan into their kind of of fight (if they didn't know before).
I don't know what Khan does now. Back to Blighty I suspect for a tune up at end of year. Roach cannot train fighters defensively and this bodes well for Sergio Martinez
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azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
Peteson was drugged.
lol
Khan just wiped his Peterson loss under the carpet and put the loss down to Petersons drugs. He should have looked at his own performance in that fight.
Khan has a terrible defence and is clueless when it comes to fighting on the inside.
Khan should have learned from the Peterson fight and from what we see in the Garcia fight, Khan has learned nothing.
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azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
Peteson was drugged.
Don't you mean - Peterson took drugs. Make it sound like he was roofied
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Seanusarrilius wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
Peteson was drugged.
Don't you mean - Peterson took drugs. Make it sound like he was roofied
Lol, well said Sean
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pacman79 wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
Peteson was drugged.
lol
Khan just wiped his Peterson loss under the carpet and put the loss down to Petersons drugs. He should have looked at his own performance in that fight.
Khan has a terrible defence and is clueless when it comes to fighting on the inside.
Khan should have learned from the Peterson fight and from what we see in the Garcia fight, Khan has learned nothing.
So you think a fighter taking PEDs doesn't have an advantage? I'll give you a clue. Find out what the E in PED means.
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Seanusarrilius wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
Peteson was drugged.
Don't you mean - Peterson took drugs. Make it sound like he was roofied
The dude was drugged up mate. The effect of the drugs enhanced his performance.
Do you think JCC took drugs or he was roofied?
azania- Posts : 19471
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Loving this reaction, Khan will be back.
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Of course he will be back. He is young, a dedicated worker. Good fighter and very vulnerable. Made for TV. I'd put him in the same bracket as Gatti in that companies will always want him because of his style. He will always get a title shot as he brings viewers and money.
azania- Posts : 19471
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You know, all of Khans punches were really wild and wide at times, I kept saying as it was happening he is really looping the right hand and he could walk into a left hook, he did. As soon as Khan loses he is amazingly cocky again, even though in the buld up to the whole fight he hasn't said anything particularly cocky at all.
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AlexHuckerby wrote:You know, all of Khans punches were really wild and wide at times, I kept saying as it was happening he is really looping the right hand and he could walk into a left hook, he did. As soon as Khan loses he is amazingly cocky again, even though in the buld up to the whole fight he hasn't said anything particularly cocky at all.
What did he say that was cocky?
azania- Posts : 19471
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He hasn't is what I'm saying Azania, everyones calling him cocky, however, he loses, then all of a sudden everyones goes from, "Warming to Khan" on another thread, then "Oh, he's the cockiest so and so" just amazing what a loss does. No one ever likes him anymore for a couple of months, it's so silly.
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People can never be subjective. No perspective whatsoever. One loss and he's rubbish. 'Lose' against a drugged up fighter is brushed under the carpet and that drugged up fighter is praised for his performance.
Khan should stay in USA. Too many haters here. He's appreciated in America. Then again Brits love a good, humble loser.
Khan should stay in USA. Too many haters here. He's appreciated in America. Then again Brits love a good, humble loser.
azania- Posts : 19471
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PPVxHOTTY wrote:Sugar Floyd Louis wrote: he's a complete nutter. Surely Khan-Brook now??? he'll definitely fancy that more now.
Brook would annihilate Khan, people will talk about speed and combos but the harsh reality is Khan is just another amateur style pro! its still laughable beyond belief how many here actually at the time thought Khan could mix it up with the best i.e. Bradley, Mayweather.
I wrote an article about this: https://www.606v2.com/t31442-what-makes-people-think-khan-has-a-good-chance-defeating-floyd
Even after his best wins I failed to see how Khan can ever get in with Floyd, Pacquiao etc.
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azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
Peteson was drugged.
lol
Khan just wiped his Peterson loss under the carpet and put the loss down to Petersons drugs. He should have looked at his own performance in that fight.
Khan has a terrible defence and is clueless when it comes to fighting on the inside.
Khan should have learned from the Peterson fight and from what we see in the Garcia fight, Khan has learned nothing.
So you think a fighter taking PEDs doesn't have an advantage? I'll give you a clue. Find out what the E in PED means.
Nobody said Peds don't give a fighter an advantage.
However, Khan blamed the Peterson loss entirely on Petersons drugs and totally ignored his own flaws.
You and Khan can keep blaming the drugs for the Peterson loss but that won't help him tighten up his defence or improve his inside game.
Look past the drugs for a minute and take off the blinkers.
Garcia had no drugs in his system against Khan yet Khan showed the same flaws as he's had for his whole career.
Khan got warned for pushing again against Garcia because he can't fight on the inside. Did he not learn after getting docked a point in the Peterson fight?
He got caught by Garcia because his defence is terrible, no improvement from Peterson fight.
Khans own flaws played a much bigger part in his loss to Peterson than Petersons drugs did.
You can ignore that if you want but Khan ignoring those same flaws is the sole reason he got knocked out by Garcia.
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It seemed as though they were trying to work it out, Ringside episodes talking to Roach etc. made it seem like they really were, it's possible that he just can't seem to do it and the second he takes a punch he reverts to what he used to know.
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pacman79 wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
Peteson was drugged.
lol
Khan just wiped his Peterson loss under the carpet and put the loss down to Petersons drugs. He should have looked at his own performance in that fight.
Khan has a terrible defence and is clueless when it comes to fighting on the inside.
Khan should have learned from the Peterson fight and from what we see in the Garcia fight, Khan has learned nothing.
So you think a fighter taking PEDs doesn't have an advantage? I'll give you a clue. Find out what the E in PED means.
Nobody said Peds don't give a fighter an advantage.
However, Khan blamed the Peterson loss entirely on Petersons drugs and totally ignored his own flaws.
You and Khan can keep blaming the drugs for the Peterson loss but that won't help him tighten up his defence or improve his inside game.
Look past the drugs for a minute and take off the blinkers.
Garcia had no drugs in his system against Khan yet Khan showed the same flaws as he's had for his whole career.
Khan got warned for pushing again against Garcia because he can't fight on the inside. Did he not learn after getting docked a point in the Peterson fight?
He got caught by Garcia because his defence is terrible, no improvement from Peterson fight.
Khans own flaws played a much bigger part in his loss to Peterson than Petersons drugs did.
You can ignore that if you want but Khan ignoring those same flaws is the sole reason he got knocked out by Garcia.
Rubbish. He didn't blame it all on drugs. He acknowledged his own mistakes and what he had to do to correct thm.
How on earth can you look past the drugs? It gave him an advantage. Its like asking Collins to look past Resto's loaded gloves.
Don't let your hatred for Khan blind you.
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azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
Peteson was drugged.
lol
Khan just wiped his Peterson loss under the carpet and put the loss down to Petersons drugs. He should have looked at his own performance in that fight.
Khan has a terrible defence and is clueless when it comes to fighting on the inside.
Khan should have learned from the Peterson fight and from what we see in the Garcia fight, Khan has learned nothing.
So you think a fighter taking PEDs doesn't have an advantage? I'll give you a clue. Find out what the E in PED means.
Nobody said Peds don't give a fighter an advantage.
However, Khan blamed the Peterson loss entirely on Petersons drugs and totally ignored his own flaws.
You and Khan can keep blaming the drugs for the Peterson loss but that won't help him tighten up his defence or improve his inside game.
Look past the drugs for a minute and take off the blinkers.
Garcia had no drugs in his system against Khan yet Khan showed the same flaws as he's had for his whole career.
Khan got warned for pushing again against Garcia because he can't fight on the inside. Did he not learn after getting docked a point in the Peterson fight?
He got caught by Garcia because his defence is terrible, no improvement from Peterson fight.
Khans own flaws played a much bigger part in his loss to Peterson than Petersons drugs did.
You can ignore that if you want but Khan ignoring those same flaws is the sole reason he got knocked out by Garcia.
Rubbish. He didn't blame it all on drugs. He acknowledged his own mistakes and what he had to do to correct thm.
How on earth can you look past the drugs? It gave him an advantage. Its like asking Collins to look past Resto's loaded gloves.
Don't let your hatred for Khan blind you.
Khan made the EXACT same mistakes against Garcia as he did against Peterson.
You say he acknowledged his flaws yet he made the very same mistakes in his next fight.
That would suggest that Khan just doesn't listen/can't learn and so will never rectify his faults. That makes him a lost cause for any trainer.
I rest my case and won't be replying again.
pacman79- Posts : 25
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Re: KHAN!!!!!!!!!
How do you know?, the amount found was very little and it seems it was to help in training at a docs advice, Khan still faced a human being in the ring, not some bionic robot, he should have excepted his weaknesses that were exposed in that fight. Peterson did not look that powerful, he just managed to get inside and work the body, and this time the reff was not allowing Khan to hold and push as much as he has done.azania wrote:Peterson was stronger because of drugs.
I actually think Khan won the fight, but when you look at the point deductions it was close enough to except it going the other way and was by no means a robbery. But Khan said nothing about Peterson strength after the loss, only after the drugs thing happened...
From the evidence it seems that Peterson took slow release TT, from a docs prescription, who confirms there was not even enough time for what he took to take effect after only two weeks.
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tunes666- Posts : 1557
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Re: KHAN!!!!!!!!!
tunes666 wrote:How do you know?, the amount found was very little and it seems it was to help in training at a docs advice, Khan still faced a human being in the ring, not some bionic robot, he should have excepted to weaknesses that were exposed in that fight. Peterson did not look that powerful, he just managed to get inside and work the body, and this time the reff was not allowing Khan to hold and push as much as he has done.azania wrote:Peterson was stronger because of drugs.
I actually think Khan won the fight, but when you look at the point deductions it was close enough to except it going the other way and was by no means a robbery. But Khan said nothing about Peterson strength after the loss, only after the drugs thing happened...
From the evidence it seems that Peterson took slow release TT, from a docs prescription, who confirms there was not even enough time for what he took to take effect after only two weeks.
What do you think PED stands for?
azania- Posts : 19471
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Re: KHAN!!!!!!!!!
azania wrote:tunes666 wrote:How do you know?, the amount found was very little and it seems it was to help in training at a docs advice, Khan still faced a human being in the ring, not some bionic robot, he should have excepted to weaknesses that were exposed in that fight. Peterson did not look that powerful, he just managed to get inside and work the body, and this time the reff was not allowing Khan to hold and push as much as he has done.azania wrote:Peterson was stronger because of drugs.
I actually think Khan won the fight, but when you look at the point deductions it was close enough to except it going the other way and was by no means a robbery. But Khan said nothing about Peterson strength after the loss, only after the drugs thing happened...
From the evidence it seems that Peterson took slow release TT, from a docs prescription, who confirms there was not even enough time for what he took to take effect after only two weeks.
What do you think PED stands for?
What do you think Doctor means?
tunes666- Posts : 1557
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Different mistake. This time he got caught when attacking. Against Peterson he allowed himself to gt bullied and pressured.pacman79 wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:azania wrote:pacman79 wrote:Before Peterson failed the drug test, Khan blamed everybody under the sun for that loss.
He blamed the judges and the 'mysterious man' that was talkiing to the judges. It was all a big conspiracy theory lol.
Khan should have looked at his own faults notably his total lack of defence and inability to fight on inside.
Peteson was drugged.
lol
Khan just wiped his Peterson loss under the carpet and put the loss down to Petersons drugs. He should have looked at his own performance in that fight.
Khan has a terrible defence and is clueless when it comes to fighting on the inside.
Khan should have learned from the Peterson fight and from what we see in the Garcia fight, Khan has learned nothing.
So you think a fighter taking PEDs doesn't have an advantage? I'll give you a clue. Find out what the E in PED means.
Nobody said Peds don't give a fighter an advantage.
However, Khan blamed the Peterson loss entirely on Petersons drugs and totally ignored his own flaws.
You and Khan can keep blaming the drugs for the Peterson loss but that won't help him tighten up his defence or improve his inside game.
Look past the drugs for a minute and take off the blinkers.
Garcia had no drugs in his system against Khan yet Khan showed the same flaws as he's had for his whole career.
Khan got warned for pushing again against Garcia because he can't fight on the inside. Did he not learn after getting docked a point in the Peterson fight?
He got caught by Garcia because his defence is terrible, no improvement from Peterson fight.
Khans own flaws played a much bigger part in his loss to Peterson than Petersons drugs did.
You can ignore that if you want but Khan ignoring those same flaws is the sole reason he got knocked out by Garcia.
Rubbish. He didn't blame it all on drugs. He acknowledged his own mistakes and what he had to do to correct thm.
How on earth can you look past the drugs? It gave him an advantage. Its like asking Collins to look past Resto's loaded gloves.
Don't let your hatred for Khan blind you.
Khan made the EXACT same mistakes against Garcia as he did against Peterson.
You say he acknowledged his flaws yet he made the very same mistakes in his next fight.
That would suggest that Khan just doesn't listen/can't learn and so will never rectify his faults. That makes him a lost cause for any trainer.
I rest my case and won't be replying again.
If every boxer could eradicate their flaws most will be superb boxers. Fact is he acknowledged his mistakes in the Peterson fight but made different ones in this fight.
Your case is ..... well.... a joke.
azania- Posts : 19471
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Re: KHAN!!!!!!!!!
tunes666 wrote:azania wrote:tunes666 wrote:How do you know?, the amount found was very little and it seems it was to help in training at a docs advice, Khan still faced a human being in the ring, not some bionic robot, he should have excepted to weaknesses that were exposed in that fight. Peterson did not look that powerful, he just managed to get inside and work the body, and this time the reff was not allowing Khan to hold and push as much as he has done.azania wrote:Peterson was stronger because of drugs.
I actually think Khan won the fight, but when you look at the point deductions it was close enough to except it going the other way and was by no means a robbery. But Khan said nothing about Peterson strength after the loss, only after the drugs thing happened...
From the evidence it seems that Peterson took slow release TT, from a docs prescription, who confirms there was not even enough time for what he took to take effect after only two weeks.
What do you think PED stands for?
What do you think Doctor means?
A doctor of medicine or philosophy?
From what evidence? If it was that simple, why was he stripped? Why was the rematch cancelled? Don't make a fool of yourself again mate.
azania- Posts : 19471
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Re: KHAN!!!!!!!!!
I'm no expert but from what I've read Peterson had traces of a slow release testosterone drug in his system, the effects of which would've been negligible at the time of the fight but it was nonetheless a contravention of the rules hence him being stripped of his title. It's a convenient excuse for khan to use to dismiss that loss (even tho it's not been ruled a no contest as yet), however khan should be looking at the flaws in his own game - lack of defence, jab, ability to work inside - that allowed Peterson to win as many rounds, as well as khans need to pull the opponents head down and push him away (which he also did to Garcia) due to him having no other answer to pressure. These are shortcomings that as Az says make him an exciting fighter tv wise, but that will also prevent him ever being a top ten p4per which many were predicting not so long ago.
Sugar Boy Sweetie- Posts : 1869
Join date : 2011-01-26
Re: KHAN!!!!!!!!!
The PED made him train harder and thus be stronger. The PED is not some elixir which gives strength but it allows you to recover quicker therefore train harder for longer.
Whether he becomes a top 10 P4Per is not my problem. I just want to see good and exciting fights.
Whether he becomes a top 10 P4Per is not my problem. I just want to see good and exciting fights.
azania- Posts : 19471
Join date : 2011-01-29
Age : 112
Re: KHAN!!!!!!!!!
Never liked Khan, always been arrogant, got no time for him. Watching the fight again tonight
Liam- Posts : 3574
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