Sick of phoney grudge Matches

Funnily enough the two biggest grudge fights of the last year have been Warren promotions!!!..

First we have the cleverly-Bellow showdown..Where they are trying to get at eachother and spewing invective..low and behold it's lovebites at dawn afterwards...

Then we have the the Haye-Chisora totally overblown stuff...fences dividing the rivals etc.......low and behold it's lovebites at dawn....

Oh but Warren doesn't condone this kind of stuff!!

Don't you 606ers who bought in to it feel mugged???

Never bought it for one minute!!! Seems to be getting Boxnation good ratings though!! So get ready for the next big rivals that hate eachother and then swoon after the fight!!..like a cheap Jackie Collins novel..

Lost all respect for Bellew and Cleverly after that fight..I like a grudge to stay after the fight!! Or else I feel conned.

Give me Starling v Breland type grudges anyday (They still spew on eachother years after)!!!

PS... Heard haye on the radio the other day!! What a sad sack he is!! Thinks beating a blob who had lost against 3 of the last 4 guys he fought.. makes him the only contender out there for VITALI???

Mate I know you're self obsessed and arrogant but you stunk against Wlad...and now VITALI is the best Heavyweight in the world according to you and you want him!! especially now he's 41!!

Why not Wlad???

Haye you're a pathetic waste of space muppet.....just get lost!!

I believe there was genuine animosity between Haye and Chisora. And it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

Also who do you think REALISTICLY, has a chance against Vitali other then Haye?

Dont think Clev vs Bellew was meant to be a grudge match just the way Bellew you tried to get under Clevs skin made it appear that way, but there was certainly something between Haye and Chisora. Unless Warren faked the whole punch up in Munich and Haye trying to smack them with a tripod.

I agree with the sentiment. Truss could have added Haye vs Harrison to that and we may also start to see another link!! I still think Vitali owns Haye six days out of seven with the seventh just a light smack down, but I do not see the fight happening. Vitali has other goals in his life other than boxing and has nothing to prove. Why does he need to take four months of verbal abuse to prove something he already knows and make someone else rich!

Never bought the hype. Never bought the fight. I won't put a penny in the pocket of Warren/BoxNation even if he's showing Manny v Floyd for a fiver, nevermind a fraud HW vs a nutcase with no undercard at £20 a pop including registration.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:Never bought the hype. Never bought the fight. I won't put a penny in the pocket of Warren/BoxNation even if he's showing Manny v Floyd for a fiver, nevermind a fraud HW vs a nutcase with no undercard at £20 a pop including registration.

Good post.

It was a good fight between 2 top 10 heavies. Chisora was right in it up until the 5th and a lot of people had Haye gassing in those final few rounds. Not sure what the complaint is.

As for the rivalry, Chisora showed grace in defeat. Isn't that something we generally like to see? Can't have it both ways (ie criticising people like Froch). Being put to sleep like Chisora was doesn't leave your 'beef' with much credibility going forward.

The way I see it Truss, I think the die hard boxing fan is a dying breed now I really do, So promotors are forced a hand and are trying to glam up marketing fights in a more barbaric way to entice new followers. Manny Pacquaio is hammered on here for having no personality and touching gloves every round, at times I shake my head because I cant stand all the hubba balloo before a fight, others love the WWF like approach, look at Tyson and Lewis not so long back, a shield of security in the ring, afterwards Tyson is stroking Lennox's face in a adoring manner. I'll always stand by boxing in gentlemans sport, but I'm afraid thats beginning to be phased out.

Ive never shared a ring with anyone, so I'm unable to comment but it maybe true after a genuine grudge, you fight and you respect one another, youre not best of friend but gain respect whether you're a loser or a winner.

I'm no Warren fan but unfortunately his no different from the other promotors out there, thats Arum and GBP included.

cheers

Rodders

I don't like these phoney grudges either, Truss - however, I don't have a problem with real grudges which come to an end after the two involved have fought, and I believe that Haye-Chisora falls in to that bracket. I don't believe for a single second that the Munich debacle was premeditated or anything like that, and while Warren and his cohorts naturally overplayed it, I think it's fairly obvious that there was a real animosity and antipathy between Haye and Chisora. They both wanted to fight each other in the worst possible way, as the saying goes.

I don't think it's all that far-fetched to think that two fighters who dislike one another, or who have clashed on a personal level in the past, can find a degree of respect and admiration for each other after squaring off, and nor do I think it's something that we should criticise them for. Feuds may be good for ratings now and then, but fighters shouldn't feel obliged to continue them simply to please us fans.

I agree wholeheartedly that blatantly fake 'rivalries' are cringe-worthy at times, but I'm not sure that Haye-Chisora really applies there.

I hate the fake grudges but I don't think the Haye v Chisora fight was a fake grudge match but the bromance afterwards was a bit to much. A shake of the hands and that's it.

I totally agree with you on Cleverly v Bellew that was fake.

Cotto v Maragarito 2 that was a grudge match. Cotto refused to even look at Maragarito in the ring before the fight and wasn't interested in any handshakes afterwards.

To many fights are sold on a grudge now to many fighters think its the way to sell a fight. A personality is more important but that seems to be lost on most fighters.

I'll be honest......The hype this fight got on here was shameful....

I mean selling out a soccer stadium for a bum who'd lost 3 out of 4...... fighting a guy who ran like a thief in his last fight!!

Only a big fight because they were like two drunken bums in a nightclub post-Vitali.

Talk about scraping the barrel...where is the class????

I imagine now Luxembourg is the commission that runs Boxing over here..we can get ready for more spitting and brawling in public!!

Not condoned of course!!

Don't think this fight was worth it...guys...put Boxing and you guys who were salivating in a bad light!!

Never a fight I cared all that much about. I'm not a big fan of the heavyweights anyway. It was no better a fight that Adamek v Chambers a week before it.

I would defend the Luxembourg board however because they never broke any rules the BBBoC and the EBU handled it very poorly.

Luxembourg are the lowest of the low!! and If it wasn't for the European bill of rights should be kicked out of the sport...

How dare someone sponsor something in another Country that has been banned!!!

Absolutely SCANDALOUS!!!!!

Its not uncommon Sauerland doesn't hold a German licence because he has had trouble with the German board.

No one was banned Chisora had his licence withdrawn and was free to reapply to any board or commission he wanted to.

If the BBBoC had banned Chisora then it wouldn't have happened. Instead they did nothing but tried to make it look like they did something to keep people happy who either had a biased view or no real interest in the sport but somehow they were morally outraged.

The EBU and BBBoc tried to bully the Luxembourg board but they never said anything about the WBO and WBA who were also involved.

Mate the BBB of c wouldn't sanction it!!!...They govern Britain..

For another Country to come in and do it was shameful....

Sorry there is no argument mate!!

Off Scot-free for assaulting a guy at the weighin...spitting in a face and then brawling in public!!!

Great...

He never got off scot-free he got fined. The BBBoC should have banned Chisora then it wouldn't have happened. They chose the ridiculous punishment they are judge, jury and executioner which is ridiculous.

No one broke any rules the behaviour of the BBBoC and the EBU threatening fighters that were going to box on the bill that they would have there licence withdrawn was shameful.

A paltry little fine........when he got ten times the amount when Haye was sanctioned!!

Come on!!!! You can't have other countries going over your head!!

You write some cracking stuff but your way left-field on this one Mate!!

Mate I never liked the fight and would have liked to see Chisora properly punished but the BBBoC fudged the issue and left the door open for it to happen.

They then acted out of spite but them and the EBU were in danger of breaking rules. If it had been dealt with properly in the first place then it wouldn't have happened.

It wasn't a loophole either which a lot of people were saying. A ban would have meant Chisora couldn't have got a licence from any body affiliated the the EBU and therefore it couldn't have happened in this country so it wouldn't have happened.

The BBBoC are a terribly run company they tried to get the Sports minister on their side and he took one look at how they were run and said he wasn't interested in getting involved.

If the british board of control are in charge of fights in this Country and said it shouldn't happen !!

then it shouldn't happen in this Country!!!!

How would you feel If Barton's 12 match ban was overurned by the Greek football association and he played the first game of the season!!

what would be the point anymore????? ANARCHY would reign!!

you need governing bodies to be respected...

Shameful...

You make good a good argument but I disagree.

But were not really disagreeing we both feel that Chisora should have been banned and the fight shouldn't have happened. The finger of blame is where we differ.

The Luxembourg board probably took a bigger sanctioning fee for that fight than they would get in 5 years of sanctioning fights. You know how it works mate cash is king.

I just think people have to been caught up slating Warren and the Luxembourg board fair enough they deserve some stick but they haven't broke any rules when the BBBoC handled it appallingly.

The BBBoC general secreatary Robert Smith was on Ringside before the case was heard discussing the case. That shouldn't be happening.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If the british board of control are in charge of fights in this Country and said it shouldn't happen !!

then it shouldn't happen in this Country!!!!

How would you feel If Barton's 12 match ban was overurned by the Greek football association and he played the first game of the season!!

what would be the point anymore????? ANARCHY would reign!!

you need governing bodies to be respected...

Shameful...

You make good a good argument but I disagree.

That isn't the same though. The BBBoC didn't ban Chisora, as PBK pointed out. Barton would on the other be allowed to go play for a Greek side and, if their first match was a UEFA cup match against a British side he would be allowed to take to the pitch here.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If the british board of control are in charge of fights in this Country and said it shouldn't happen !!

then it shouldn't happen in this Country!!!!

How would you feel If Barton's 12 match ban was overurned by the Greek football association and he played the first game of the season!!

what would be the point anymore????? ANARCHY would reign!!

you need governing bodies to be respected...

Shameful...

You make good a good argument but I disagree.

Well if the BBBoC would have just banned him, and made a stipulation that he would have to attend anger management before he was given his licence back, non of the above would happen.

Your Barton arguement is flawed straight away as Chisora was never officially banned.

He wasn't allowed to fight in this Country!!.. by the governing association who refused sanction!! In effect he was banned hence Luxembourg getting involved!!

Anytime I think back to the old fightnews and shengy days and think maybe they weren't so bad!!

I take comfort in the fact that I have you to remind me of them!!

Having your licence withdrawn and and being banned are two different things.

Do you agree that if the BBBoC had banned him he wouldn't have been able to box anywhere in the EU?

I think the BBBoC made a huge balls up here. They only have themselves to blame.

He was banned from taking part in a Haye fight over here by the controlling body..

that's a green light is it???..Give it a rest..

Frankie pie too...

He wasn't banned from fighting in this country he could have reapplied for a licence with the BBBoC but they put the hearing on Chisoras licence back until the end of July so Warren went elsewhere.

So he couldn't fight....right?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He wasn't allowed to fight in this Country!!.. by the governing association who refused sanction!! In effect he was banned hence Luxembourg getting involved!!

If he was 'in effect banned', why didn't they just actually ban him? Or do you refuse to acknowledge there's a difference?

Why didn't the bbbc sanction the fight???

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why didn't the bbbc sanction the fight???

Because they fudged the issue and withdrew Chisoras licence and never banned him. A date was set for a hearing about Chisora getting a British licence but the BBBoC put it off until the end of July so Warren went elsewhere. He was never banned and Warren and the Luxembourg board may have acted in poor taste but they never broke any rules.

Whether they fudged or didn't he was banned till July from fighting..

and was banned by the ruling body!!

If I'm suspended from work...I'm banned from going there..

No he wasn't he never had a British licence but was free to go anywhere else to get a licence. If he was banned he wouldn't have been able to get a licence under anybody affiliated to the EBU.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He was banned from taking part in a Haye fight over here by the controlling body..

that's a green light is it???..Give it a rest..

Frankie pie too...

He couldn't take part cos he didn't have a licence, not because he was banned. He obtained a licence and was able to. If he was banned he wouldn't have been able to fight.

Quite simple actually Truss, but am not surprised you're unable to grasp the concept

PS... Heard haye on the radio the other day!! What a sad sack he is!! Thinks beating a blob who had lost against 3 of the last 4 guys he fought.. makes him the only contender out there for VITALI???

Mate I know you're self obsessed and arrogant but you stunk against Wlad...and now VITALI is the best Heavyweight in the world according to you and you want him!! especially now he's 41!!

Why not Wlad???

Haye you're a pathetic waste of space muppet.....just get lost!!.

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If you are thrown out of the WWE could you wrestle for another company, I think so. However, I think you are right Truss, it is a disgrace that one country's ruling body should undermine anothers. I loved the fight though, so in a wierd way, I'm glad they did!

But Mackem mate if the state of Nevada commission say's a wrestler can't compete there..he can't regardless of other "Companies"...

Should be the same here..

Agree about the disgrace bit......

Dangerous precedent was set and for what?? a fifth rate fight!!

The BBBOC withdrew Chisora's licence "indefinitely" but added the caveat that he would be able to apply for other licenses in different countries. So what did they expect?

They should have withdrawn the license for a set period of time so Chisora knew where he was and should NOT have delayed Chisora's appeal hearing. The BBBoC screwed it up by their own arrogance and I'm glad the fight happened because it'll teach the governing body a lesson that they can't stamp their authority and then decide to allow Chisora back in when they feel like it.

They expected him to reapply.....no doubt!

TheMackemMawler wrote:If you are thrown out of the WWE could you wrestle for another company, I think so. However, I think you are right Truss, it is a disgrace that one country's ruling body should undermine anothers. I loved the fight though, so in a wierd way, I'm glad they did!

But they never undermined anyone. No one was banned and the Luxembourg board are affiliated to the EBU. Kalle Sauerland doesn't hold a German licence because he has had trouble with the German board does he undermine them every time he puts on a show in Germany?

Who gives a toss whether they are affiliated with lucipher himself..

The bbbc are the controlling body!!

Tell you what let's have the german government putting taxes up in this Country even though our government is against it!!

What Luxembourg did was morally criminal If legal.....

This is a guy who attacked a guy before the fight..spat in a guy's face..and then was brawling in public after the fight...

They are called the BBBc for a reason!!!!

Yes because they are supposed to govern the sport in this country including disciplinary matters. They never dealt with this properly from the start so they got what they deserve.

Morals go out the window when money is involved and quite right. I would rather be rich and morally bankrupt than broke but morally sound.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Who gives a toss whether they are affiliated with lucipher himself..


Tell you what let's have the german government putting taxes up in this Country even though our government is against it!!

I see straws are being clutched with your ridiculess examples.

Don't think anyone's arguing to strenuously that it was morally wrong but the facts are that the BBB of C failed to punish Chisora and Warren manipulated the situation.

The BBB of C may need an overhaul but it's a situation borne of their own incompetence.

They did punish him they told him to wait till July when he could argue his case!!...

Banning him in every sense of the word till then....

SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:Yes because they are supposed to govern the sport in this country including disciplinary matters. They never dealt with this properly from the start so they got what they deserve.

Morals go out the window when money is involved and quite right. I would rather be rich and morally bankrupt than broke but morally sound.

How's that wall Kev? You've been banging your head against it for 3 hours now!

TopHat24/7 wrote:

SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:Yes because they are supposed to govern the sport in this country including disciplinary matters. They never dealt with this properly from the start so they got what they deserve.

Morals go out the window when money is involved and quite right. I would rather be rich and morally bankrupt than broke but morally sound.

How's that wall Kev? You've been banging your head against it for 3 hours now!

The walls standing strong but my head hurts!

No, they said he couldn't hold a British Licence, they didn't say he was banned for competing in a boxing match (licenced or otherwise) under the umbrella of another organisation. They should have done, but they didn't.

What they implied or what they hopedit meant and what it actually meant are very different things.

No as there was no precedent for it.. they probably didn't think there was a need to..

After all who the hell believed another two-bit Country would usurp the governing body like that!!

Let's face it Luxembourg was the only one...with the audacity and they should pay for it!!

If the bbbc thought it was okay..they wouldn't have played hell...

they were basically saying Chisora could fight abroad in front of another commission not at home..

where THEY have jurisdiction!!!!!!!

red tape and all that...

But they know the rules of the EBU so they must have known it was a possibility either that or they need a new legal team.

Look......There was no precedent for such a thing...France, Germany, Spain etc wouldn't here of going over another Country's governing board's head!!!

It doesn't happen!!! ...

This set a dangerous precedent.....

Every Country has a governing board to deal with it's issues!!