Sports which are just too posh, rich and over-represented at the Olympics

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Swimming/Gymnatics - have too many medals on offer
Equestrian/Yachting/Shooting etc. require loads of dosh to just get on the first step (and I'll include the Pole vault in that)
And filthy rich sports like football, tennis, golf, rugby and basketball should never even have a sniff of Olympic participation - well, not the multimillionaires anyway. If the Olympics ain't the pinnacle of the sport, then they shouldn't be in.

or how do we help the parents?

super_realist wrote:Why don't we concentrate less on football in schools, let's be honest the UK on the whole are absolute gash at it, considering the facilities and money that are poured into it the returns are appalling.

Because its easy to play, and widely culturally understood, aspirational to most kids, doesnt take too much supervision, isnt that dangerous, and has a huge amount of professional jobs waiting for those who excel? Its certainly more realistic for a state school to have a football team than a three day eventing one, or boxing, shooting, diving, rowing etc

We put more money into football, because more people like football, more people want to play football. Simple as that really.

What you're suggesting is we take away the funding of a sport that people want to play in school and replace it with sports that those who really want to play it, will have made the effort anyway.

Ok crimey, how do we get our kids to pass the ball..

Football is culturally backwards in this country as well. Other sports teach morals and ethics. Football is part of a very dodgy culture

Of course it 's a problem, but it is parent's problem primarily. Too many parents treat school as a babysitting service.

I actually think you ought to pass a test before having children.

Yeah not a bad idea!

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

super_realist wrote:Why don't we concentrate less on football in schools, let's be honest the UK on the whole are absolute gash at it, considering the facilities and money that are poured into it the returns are appalling.

Because its easy to play, and widely culturally understood, aspirational to most kids, doesnt take too much supervision, isnt that dangerous, and has a huge amount of professional jobs waiting for those who excel? Its certainly more realistic for a state school to have a football team than a three day eventing one, or boxing, shooting, diving, rowing etc

I don't think there is a huge amount.

I'm not saying that less money needs to be poured in, but perhaps more at appropriate levels. Too muhc money goes into the top level, where it isn't required.

mystiroakey wrote:Ok crimey, how do we get our kids to pass the ball..

Football is culturally backwards in this country as well. Other sports teach morals and ethics. Football is part of a very dodgy culture

It's certainly not up to schools.

Local football clubs can provide technical skills like that.

This is why they are building several Futsal arena across the country ( the Leeds one opened a few weeks ago), apparently Futsal encourages focus on basic ball handling skills above fighting.

Futsol sounds good.

Schools are where kids are(or should be!!) for the majority of there years. They play a massive part of there development- especially for the the millions that have less than amazing parenting

NOt the schools responsibility to bring them up though.

Nope but they can help

You don't think they've got a hard enough job trying to educate the little bar stewards?

mystiroakey wrote:Futsol sounds good.

Schools are where kids are(or should be!!) for the majority of there years. They play a massive part of there development- especially for the the millions that have less than amazing parenting

Or to put it another way,

Futsal schools sound good.

Schools are where kids are (or should be!) for the majority of their years. They play a massive part of their development - especially for the millions who have less than amazing parenting.

Portnoy wrote:
Schools are where kids are (or should be!) for the majority of their years. They play a massive part of their development - especially for the millions who have less than amazing parenting.

If only more parents were like the Tualigis, teaching their kids rugby, boxing, diving and swimming.

Sport can certainly aid education though. Certain sports teach morales and ethics, which are sadly not found in football in this country

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Portnoy wrote:
Schools are where kids are (or should be!) for the majority of their years. They play a massive part of their development - especially for the millions who have less than amazing parenting.

If only more parents were like the Tualigis, teaching their kids rugby, boxing, diving and swimming.

There is nothing about the actual sport of football that encourages a lack of morals (not morales).

I think you put far too much emphasis on sports in schools.

Same old same old mate with nothing to offer. Do you think everything is perfect? Or do you think we/the government/education systen can do more. Do you have any opinions on this at all??

I wish Football was less popular. Compared to what we've seen from the Olympics, there is no joy in the participation.

mystiroakey wrote:Same old same old mate with nothing to offer. Do you think everything is perfect? Or do you think we/the government/education systen can do more. Do you have any opinions on this at all??

I don't think sports are that important in schools, and it shouldn't be the job of the education system to make people want to partake in sports. I think the money could be better spent improving actually educating people.

The olympics proves what can be done with the right attitude and money put into the correct areas!

Maybe we need less empahsis on sport(our big 3) in schools, but more empasis on sport out of school hours

Crimey do think values can be learned from certain sports which can actually aid education?

Do you think that certain sports instil more vlaues than others?

It is very much a balancing act, surely!

If I'm being honest, I'm not sure sport is that important at all.

If GB weren't that great at the Olympics I wouldn't be that bothered, I think it can be important, particularly countries in turmoil where sport can be a much needed escape and can be a real inspiration.

In our country, I don't think it's purpose is any more than entertainment.

mystiroakey wrote:Crimey do think values can be learned from certain sports which can actually aid education?

Do you think that certain sports instil more vlaues than others?

It is very much a balancing act, surely!

Yes, it they can. However sports can only go so far, actual education is much more useful than the basic values instilled by sports.

Not really no, a lot of people involved in boxing believe that it instils lots of good values, yet that is a sport which the aim is to hit people in the end as hard and as many times as you can. I think all sports can instil values to a certain extent, I wouldn't say any are better than the other.

What about the obesity levels and just general fitness?

Do you think its fine that we are turning into a country full of fat kids that sit about on forums and playstaions all day?

Football doesn't teach people a great deal. How to cheat, deceive, answer back, dive etc

super_realist wrote:Football doesn't teach people a great deal. How to cheat, deceive, answer back, dive etc

That has nothing to do with the rules of the game. It's the chicken and egg conundrum, do those things come about because of football, or are they in football because of the type of people who play it.

It's what football has become, and because people are allowed to get away with it. Spitting too, no need for anyone to ever spit.

Crimey the fact is mate- the chicken and egg scenario doesnt matter- Its a pointless debate. It is what it is. There is no need to blame surely. Its about fixing things..

mystiroakey wrote:What about the obesity levels and just general fitness?

Do you think its fine that we are turning into a country full of fat kids that sit about on forums and playstaions all day?

I don't think that developing sports to a high level is needed to keep obesity levels down, jogging on the spot can keep you fit.

I don't think it matters, it's a personal choice and the government shouldn't have to instruct us as to what to eat, drink and do. We're all perfectly aware of what we need to do, people just choose not to. If people want to get fat and decrease their life expectancy then they can do that, it shouldn't be the government's job to point out the obvious constantly and force people to do exercise etc.

It isn't anyones responsiblity other than the individual to keep an eye on your weight.

THere is no reason why anyone should be obese, and it certainly isn't down to the school

If you are fat it's because you have eaten too much. Nothing to do with school sport.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19187637

Crimey wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:What about the obesity levels and just general fitness?

Do you think its fine that we are turning into a country full of fat kids that sit about on forums and playstaions all day?

I don't think that developing sports to a high level is needed to keep obesity levels down, jogging on the spot can keep you fit.

I don't think it matters, it's a personal choice and the government shouldn't have to instruct us as to what to eat, drink and do. We're all perfectly aware of what we need to do, people just choose not to. If people want to get fat and decrease their life expectancy then they can do that, it shouldn't be the government's job to point out the obvious constantly and force people to do exercise etc.

Its not as simplistic as that crimey. We have targets in this country, the govenment tries to fix these things. They do put money into getting kids more active, and reduce obesity levels. It is an objective for the govenment. Obesity puts a massive strain on the workforce,,happiness levels and the NHS.

That's the problem though .

Fat people often blame other people for their fatness. THey need to look closer to home.

If I notice I'm putting on a pound or two, i'll step up the exercise and eat less.

WHy can't everyone do that.

mystiroakey wrote:

Crimey wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:What about the obesity levels and just general fitness?

Do you think its fine that we are turning into a country full of fat kids that sit about on forums and playstaions all day?

I don't think that developing sports to a high level is needed to keep obesity levels down, jogging on the spot can keep you fit.

I don't think it matters, it's a personal choice and the government shouldn't have to instruct us as to what to eat, drink and do. We're all perfectly aware of what we need to do, people just choose not to. If people want to get fat and decrease their life expectancy then they can do that, it shouldn't be the government's job to point out the obvious constantly and force people to do exercise etc.

Its not as simplistic as that crimey. We have targets in this country, the govenment tries to fix these things. They do put money into getting kids more active, and reduce obesity levels. It is an objective for the govenment. Obesity puts a massive strain on the workforce,,happiness levels and the NHS.

I'm fully aware that the government does view it as something they should target. I'm saying that it shouldn't be the job of the government to tackle obesity, it's an individual's problem.

super_realist wrote:It isn't anyones responsiblity other than the individual to keep an eye on your weight.

THere is no reason why anyone should be obese, and it certainly isn't down to the school

If you are fat it's because you have eaten too much. Nothing to do with school sport.

Not quite SR. As long as you excersise enough you can eat what you want.. And no its not neccesarily a schooling issue. But a social issue, which schooling is very much a part of! The govenment can do things to help and they do try, for the reasons pointed out above.. It is a drain on the economy

Winning, losing and dealing with the outcome with the appropriate respectful attitude. Treat those two imposters just the same as Kipling said. That to me is the most important lesson to be learned from a sporting education.

Absolutely Oakey, the problem is people make excuses and blame lifestyle for their obesity. It is purely down to gluttony.

Yes, it's in the governments interest to keep obesity down, but it's not something that they SHOULD HAVE to do, if the population had a bit more self respect.

Fat people should pay more for their treatment if it is weight related.

Crimey wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Crimey wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:What about the obesity levels and just general fitness?

Do you think its fine that we are turning into a country full of fat kids that sit about on forums and playstaions all day?

I don't think that developing sports to a high level is needed to keep obesity levels down, jogging on the spot can keep you fit.

I don't think it matters, it's a personal choice and the government shouldn't have to instruct us as to what to eat, drink and do. We're all perfectly aware of what we need to do, people just choose not to. If people want to get fat and decrease their life expectancy then they can do that, it shouldn't be the government's job to point out the obvious constantly and force people to do exercise etc.

Its not as simplistic as that crimey. We have targets in this country, the govenment tries to fix these things. They do put money into getting kids more active, and reduce obesity levels. It is an objective for the govenment. Obesity puts a massive strain on the workforce,,happiness levels and the NHS.

I'm fully aware that the government does view it as something they should target. I'm saying that it shouldn't be the job of the government to tackle obesity, it's an individual's problem.

thats an overly simplistic outlook. And i am happy the govenment is spending on things that i feel as being important.. Fitness levels dont just aid the body but also the brain. The healthier you are the more you can focus and acheive in anything- sport aside!

Why have schools at all?Its your own fault if you are stupid and ill educated. Go and buy a book.

Exactly PSW.

Britain was the first nation(something I learnt from the opening ceromony) To bring sport into eduction. And it is something I feel as being very important- Something we should be proud of. Beacuse the rest of the world has adopted it..

The government absolutely need to challege fatty rates...

As a tax payer it annoys the hell out of me having to pay for some greedy toad to get their stomach stapled.

Exercise and eat healthy, hardly a hard concept but more needs to be done to get it across to those in society who take us all on a ride.

As for sport in schools, well you teach what the majority want to play. Football and rugby. Who cares about rowing, really.

This debate has moved on a bit!

Seems you are all fattist. But the people you are talking about, they are of course fattest

A family member of mine has a resting heart rate of 97bpm and a BMI of over 45. Utterly digraceful I am sure you'd agree.

What did they eat for tea that night after getting the results. Fish and Chips from the local takeaway.

It is a cultural problem and kids in schools need to be actively involved in sports to keep them fit. The main benefit is health, if they discover they have a talent after then that is a bonus.

45 though dude- thats like errr

makes my 26 sound ok!!

Well LJ you shouldn't judge. Maybe they're aiming for 100 BPM and 50 BMI?!

Joking aside that is truly shocking and there isn't much hope for people like that. You can't really imagine them suddenly starting exercise, their body just wouldn't be up to it.

VTR the thing is if your that big- you will probally lose a bmi a day from just eating 2000 calories each day, you still wouldnt have to move!

then once you hit 35 you maybe could start tieing your shoelaces and that will lose a few more. At 30 you can play pro golf(shane lowery)