Graham Swann rested from remaining ODIs

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19413938

He has had this injury a while now, and it has affected his bowling. He was rested earlier in the season to little effect. Worrying signs.

Not much going right for England just now. Still!! Brighter times ahead.

Of course the conspiracy theory will state that this further facilitates Kevin Pietersens return to the team

All they need to do now is drop Bresnan, Anderson, Broad and Prior from all squads and Mr Pietersen's demands will have been met.

(Please note - tongue firmly in cheek)

I think it's been said before that his elbow problem is a bit of a chronic injury, so there's no doubt his workload has to be very carefully managed. On the positive side, it means we'll get a decent look at young Briggs, which should be interesting. I was impressed by him in the UAE.

I don't think his elbow injury is as big concern for the India Tests really.

His injury got worst after that marathon spell he bowled at the Oval.

Can't see India batting 150-170 overs against anyone if I'm honest!

Understand that Tredwell was next in line and has done a good job for England over the last couple of years but would have preferred to have seen Briggs called up. I think we need to be building towards the future and for me I see this as a sort of transition period for English cricket atm.

erm Briggs is already in the squad Liam?

Right decision I think. The same as Broad, he hasn't been right for a while and the rest will do him good hopefully. And it will be good to see Briggs get a chance, although his form in any formats over T20 has been a little ropey this year I look forward to seeing him play! Although I suppose it is possible, that if the management were being particularly negative, they could play Samit as the lone spinner and bring Woakes in for Swann and load the batting even more.

Flower's favourites are all given rest.......Broad, Swann.....but never KP was give a rest...or his request even entertained.

and his complain stands validated

KPs been rested for the last 3 games.

KP_fan wrote:Flower's favourites are all given rest.......Broad, Swann.....but never KP was give a rest...or his request even entertained.

and his complain stands validated

Just get a room, shag Pietersen and be done with it KP_fan.

Seriously though, can we get rid of the account mods? It stunts actual debate by regurgiating crap

Mad for Chelsea wrote:erm Briggs is already in the squad Liam?

Is he, so he will play now for the rest of the series. Just assumed because Tredwell had been called up that he would go straight into the side

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:Flower's favourites are all given rest.......Broad, Swann.....but never KP was give a rest...or his request even entertained.

and his complain stands validated

Just get a room, shag Pietersen and be done with it KP_fan.

what do you mean by that underlined

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:Flower's favourites are all given rest.......Broad, Swann.....but never KP was give a rest...or his request even entertained.

and his complain stands validated

Just get a room, shag Pietersen and be done with it KP_fan.

what do you mean by that underlined

Google it. You'll soon find out.

Liam wrote:

Mad for Chelsea wrote:erm Briggs is already in the squad Liam?

Is he, so he will play now for the rest of the series. Just assumed because Tredwell had been called up that he would go straight into the side

Actually looking at the original squad I don't see Briggs' name?

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:Flower's favourites are all given rest.......Broad, Swann.....but never KP was give a rest...or his request even entertained.

and his complain stands validated

Just get a room, shag Pietersen and be done with it KP_fan.

what do you mean by that underlined

Google it. You'll soon find out.

I think you are too embarrased to explain?........that's OK...it's there for the records on who is posting abusive and off topic stuff

KP_fan wrote:Flower's favourites are all given rest.......Broad, Swann.....but never KP was give a rest...or his request even entertained.

and his complain stands validated

Pietersen wanted a rest so he could play Big Bash and full IPL (as demonstrated by his and his agent's actions since). Huge difference to genuinly resting bowlers who have a much bigger physical workload.

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:Flower's favourites are all given rest.......Broad, Swann.....but never KP was give a rest...or his request even entertained.

and his complain stands validated

Just get a room, shag Pietersen and be done with it KP_fan.

what do you mean by that underlined

Google it. You'll soon find out.

I think you are too embarrased to explain?........that's OK...it's there for the records on who is posting abusive and off topic stuff

I'm sure you have many posts in these records.

And another topic ends up being derailed.

KP_fan wrote:Flower's favourites are all given rest.......Broad, Swann.....but never KP was give a rest...or his request even entertained.

and his complain stands validated

Yet more wrong facts KP fan.

KP has been rested before, and he did not like it one little bit.

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:Flower's favourites are all given rest.......Broad, Swann.....but never KP was give a rest...or his request even entertained.

and his complain stands validated

Just get a room, shag Pietersen and be done with it KP_fan.

Yeah, sorry GSC (I should not have left the door open with my original post)

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:Flower's favourites are all given rest.......Broad, Swann.....but never KP was give a rest...or his request even entertained.

and his complain stands validated

Just get a room, shag Pietersen and be done with it KP_fan.

what do you mean by that underlined

Google it. You'll soon find out.

I think you are too embarrased to explain?........that's OK...it's there for the records on who is posting abusive and off topic stuff

I'm sure you have many posts in these records.

why don't you point them out to the moderators

Oh and Briggs certainly wasn't in the original ODI squad

http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/natwest-series/england-squad-natwest-series-v-southafrica-2012,2748,BP.html

I have not noticed him being added, but he is in the T20 squad:

http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/natwest-twenty20-international/england-squad,319332,EN.html

LondonTiger wrote:Yeah, sorry GSC (I should not have left the door open with my original post)

Don't worry about it, it would've happened regardless. KP_Fan seems intent on doing this in every thread. Lacking attention from somewhere I think.

LondonTiger wrote:Oh and Briggs certainly wasn't in the original ODI squad

http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/natwest-series/england-squad-natwest-series-v-southafrica-2012,2748,BP.html

I have not noticed him being added, but he is in the T20 squad:

http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/natwest-twenty20-international/england-squad,319332,EN.html

I thought he hadn't, anyway he should be.

sorry my bad, I was thinking of the world T20 squad. Briggs is in that one. Tredwell is obviously seen as next in line in ODIs, and did pretty well against Oz, so very much a continuity decision.

GSC wrote:KPs been rested for the last 3 games.

True.

Its actually a very good idea to rest players like Swann and Broad who have been visibly struggling with injuries. Good chance to give some up and coming players a chance on the big stage as well.

Biltong wrote:

GSC wrote:KPs been rested for the last 3 games.

True.

also rested from the ODI series against India a year ago.

Good call to rest Swann - I'd have kept him out of the whole series. His elbow needs careful management and he needs to play a full part in the World T20 and in the Tests and ODIs in India.

Tredwell did well last time and is a very solid replacement for Swann.

Briggs is currently performing well in T20s, but I think England rightly have him further down the ODI pecking order and not in consideration for Tests. He is more of a 'dart' type bowler than a skilful bowler like Swann. In 40-over cricket he hasn't always been great on unhelpful surfaces, and often hasn't featured in the Championship for Hampshire.

What ever happened to Yardy? I know he had some private issues but i always rated him as a T20/ODI player.

eirebilly wrote:What ever happened to Yardy? I know he had some private issues but i always rated him as a T20/ODI player.

I would assume that his issues were never fully resolved, hence his omission from the wider pool of 30 players for the World T20.

Whilst he was never particularly popular on forums I always thought he did a good job for us, and has come back into some of that form this season. But I guess that after suffering from depression England wouldn't want to take a risk on somebody who was never going to be more than a fringe player. Also, Yardy's personal issues coincided with Samit Patel's return to availability after his fitness issues. Patel probably offers a slightly less defensive option with the ball and has more of a claim to being an international batsman than Yardy, who always suffered from the fact that his ugly style meant he often batted as low as 8 in internationals.

Yeah, Yardy did get shelled alot on the 606 but i really liked him. Certainly good in T20's

Big big fan of Yards obviously, on his day one of the best non spinning spinners in the world!

I'm a big fan of Azeem Rafiq. I'd quite like to see him break into the fringes of England's one-day plans this winter. Remarkably he hasn't even played for the Lions yet...

Have seen next to nothing of him Shelsey.

Shelsey93 wrote:I'm a big fan of Azeem Rafiq. I'd quite like to see him break into the fringes of England's one-day plans this winter. Remarkably he hasn't even played for the Lions yet...

Don't know, whenever I've seen him play on sky (The few times) he looks a little loose to me. Bit like Rashid in that he looks raw with plenty of talent but shouldn't be rushed into things. Needs to have a good couple of seasons of county cricket to ensure he is fully prepared for the step up to International level. Also there's a few spinners ahead in the pecking order.

Swann should have never been picked for this series, he's one of the most important core players for England, and his recent performances indicates that that elbow is giving him trouble. If anything, Swann in my view needed that rest more than Broad did, good they both are getting some time out of the game. Better late than never.

Yardy if he were over his issues and if he were actually any good would be competing for Patels role, hes in no way a Swann replacement