When a Fighter's Corner has been Pivotal

Basically when has the advice of a corner been pivotal to the outcome a fight?

The obvious choice is JCC Snr vs Taylor. Duva told Taylor the fight was close and put the incentive in Taylor to fight with JCC when he should have just danced around the final round to secure the win (and avoided the years of heated debate since!).

The reasoning behind the thread was I was rewatching Vasquez vs Marquez III yesterday. Before the 12th, Vasquez's corner order him to go after Marquez and finish the fight.

Although Vasquez didn't finish the fight he dropped Marquez with only seconds remaining and with it the vital point needed for the win.

All this is purely sceptical as for example, Vasquez's nature would have always been to go for the kill.

I also recall seeing a Legendary Nights episode on De La Hoya vs Trinidad whereby I recall Oscar's corner telling him to take it easy in the championship rounds or something similar which ultimately cost him the win?

I know corners have important roles for every fight but for the benefit of debate are there other well known fights where the corner have had huge influence on the outcome?

Went to a Q&A with Sugar Ray Leonard the other week and he acknowledged the role Dundee played in turning the fight round with Hearns. Ray said he realised the fight was getting away from him but Angelo's famous "you're blowing it kid" was saying just the right thing at the right time.

Supposedly Ali wanted to quit against Liston and Frazier III but Dundee wouldnt let him.

Teddy Atlas certainly seemed to dine out at yelling at the talented but bone idle Michael Moorer, as he sleep walked through the rounds against Holyfield 1st time out. Atlas said some ridiculous things, but basically willed Moorer through to win the championship when Holyfield was clearly not right and their for the taking.

Cheers

Rodders

I actually love that Atlas pep talk, Rodders! It was like something from a Rocky film.

"Do you want me to fight, huh, do you? Do you want me to change places with you - do you? Listen, this guy is finished. There comes a time in a man's life when he makes a decision - makes a decision to just live, survive. Or he wants to win. You're doing just enough to keep him off you and hope he leaves you alone. You're lying to yourself, but you're gonna cry tomorrow! You're lying to yourself and I'd lie to you if I let you get away with that! You're gonna cry tomorrow because of this! Do you want to cry tomorrow, huh? Then don't lie to yourself. There's something wrong with this guy! Back him up and fight a full round!"

He may split opinion, but boxing would have been much duller over the past thirty years had it not been for ol' Teddy.

Dundee - Cooper v Ali 1.

De La Hoya v Trinidad - Hoya was winning but decided to coast the last 4 rounds on the orders of his corner which was a big mistake in the end after outboxing Trinidad.

Pryor vs Arguello I and the 'mixed bottle'.

Very nice topic Valero, good stuff. Like the Dundee memories; can you get better than Leonard Hearns and "you're blowing it!"

I think Rob McCracken has been pivotal in so many of Froch fights. Especially in the fight against Glen Johnson. Not that Froch would have lost it, but he was not performing and was not focussed between rounds and I rememebr McCracken telling him to stop looking at the crowd a focus. He was sharp and I was impressed with him. I always am impressed with him tbh.

Hmmm

When Roger mayweather got ejected during Zab fight and his corner were left with Floyd and didn't know what the f to do. One of them says don't panic or something and Floyd is like "I ain't panicking" which was funny, cos he was so cool and his corner were wondering what to say to him without Roger. I got the wording wrong, but you get my point

Audley's corner for letting him out for the first round against anyone.

azania wrote:Audley's corner for letting him out for the first round against anyone.

For not punching him after the first two rounds of Fraud v Haye

Always liked what Goosen said to Corrales in the first Castillo fight.

When he's putting the gumshield back in for the swcond time, Goosen simply says:

"You better f****** get it done on him now"

Probably had little bearing on the fight itself, though.

I've just finished reading Sugar Ray Leonards book and he does stress the significance Dundee had in the Hearns fight, he also credits him with keeping a cool head and keeping him focused against Hagler when the rest of the corner were all losing their heads and just shouting "box him".

I did like Atlas sitting on the stool asking Moorer if he wanted to switch places with him, he really did need some motivating.

I also liked Rob McCracken in Froch's corner for the Taylor fight, he kept telling to Froch to stop loading up on single shots trying to take Taylor out with one punch and actually use the jab and wear him down.

Agreed about McCracken..gives specific instructions rather than just cheerleading.

Lou Duva - Taylor chavez.

i always thought adam booth gave good instrucions between rounds, especially with groves who listens to him and adjusts, he kept him on the right path with degale and he was honest all the way through.

You can't blame Duva for Taylor's defeat.......

Taylor got careless and got caught.......Curry tried to blame his corner for telling him to relax against Mccallum....doesn't wash!

Duva was right to tell him not to coast....Chavez was ahead on one of the cards remember......King was promoting....

Taylor was never one for holding on and he was being worn down....Not sure he really had his wits about him If I'm honest..

Taylor's mistake!

Scandalous stoppage....The ref could see the red lights flashing and as CHRIS say's Hearns was in worse shape against Barkley!!

CHYZ v WILLIAMS
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After being decked badly in the 2nd and third rounds.....Williams old-time trainer basically just kept calm and cajoled Williams back into the fight....

No histrionics basically just talked Williams up and into the fight!! Good solid job!!

MOORER VS HOLY
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Atlas had to kick him up the asss.........and he didn't a great job.