Diving.

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This seems to be at the forefront of everybodies thoughts at the moment, even FIFA are chipping in, saying that the actions of Suarez are a cancer within the game. Personally that member of FIFA is a complete clown to mention anyone player but that's a different issue.

Why has this all of a sudden become such a huge issue? Barcelona have been doing this for four or five years. One that really sticks in my mind is Busquets going down holding his face, and then has a peak to see if the player has been sent off. Nobody was outraged over that as they are now. When Eduardo went down with no contact and UEFA suspended him fans said UEFA where wrong, and excused his actions due to a previous injury, UEFA eventually backed down and didn't suspend him.

So, what's changed to get fans so angry?

It didn't have any impact on the decision, Suarez goes the same way Ba and Cisse does, why do you ignore them?

You're boring me now. You can't answer because you'd have to admit he's a cheat.

Anyway, I'm off out.

Suarez is a lying cheating scumbag. But that was definitely a red card!

TopHat24/7 wrote:Suarez is a lying cheating scumbag. But that was definitely a red card!

Absolutely - just because Suarez has a reputation for being a diving cheat does not mean that he is never the victim of a bad challenge. The attempt at a tackle by Colocini was awful - foot raised and then moved in a downward direction, making some contact with Suarez (luckily only with his shorts, not with his leg) well after the ball had gone. As for Suarez diving on this occasion, Colocini does clatter him in the back on the follow-through.

Definite straight red the way the game is currently reffed - was the type of challenge that can cause serious injury, but fortunately this time the raised foot missed Suarez's leg by a few inches.

He pulled out. He was going to chop him down but then thought better of it. As for the follow through you've defined as a "clatter"... It was nothing. I hope none of you lot moaning about a foul that never was don't watch your local teams.

Out of interest, what are the rules if you look like you are going to smash someone but then pull out, still a red because you've had evil thoughts.

The Suarez foul on Distin was far worse than anything colo done,

LJ
"He pulled out. He was going to chop him down but then thought better of it. As for the follow through you've defined as a "clatter"... It was nothing. I hope none of you lot moaning about a foul that never was don't watch your local teams. "

Far from convinced Coloccini pulled out of the challenge. Also, while as a rugby fan the contact wasn't a big hit, he does make contact with Suarez's back quite firmly with his left arm and right shoulder. Even without the recklessness the challenge with his foot, it was a clear foul (and almost as late as a typical Neil Ruddock tackle).

"Out of interest, what are the rules if you look like you are going to smash someone but then pull out, still a red because you've had evil thoughts."

Referees are allowed to judge (indeed often do) on intent rather than consequence of a foul, so yes, the fact that Coloccini's foot makes little contact with Suarez plays very little part in the ref's judgement. A bit like the one a couple of weeks ago where the guy took a kick at Vermalen (iirc) - there wasn't much contact but the intent was there.

Sorry, but on this one you are trying to defend the guilty. That's not to say that other players haven't got away with worse, but this one was called right

I'm not, it was a foul and a yellow. He lost his head hen thought better of it. The vermarlen one wasn't a red either. Both play acting scum bags.

I want to see football return to a mans game, sadly those days are long gone and we a plagued with cheats.

Jack, I'm assuming you'd like to go back to the days when a defender would brutally assault a winger in the first few minutes "just to let him know he was there"?

I'm a Forest fan and Pearce would do it to the opposition's best player on a regular basis.

Pure intimidation and as much cheating as diving but just seen by many as more manly and as such not cheating.

I certainly agree football is less fun now and I'm no longer a big fan but not sure what the solution is.

Brutally assault... Do me a favour. All I'm asking for is that players don't pretend to be hurt to get players carded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgzd7oHyeBY

As an aside, is there anything you don't think was better in the good old days?

What exactly does that video probe. He was rightly sent off. I think the game has become too soft, these are grown athletes falling over like they've been shot. No need for it.

That was one tough challenge from Pearce.

It was two actually Stella and they weren't really challenges they were fouls designed to intimidate the attacking player. At the time I thought it was wonderful but given the benefit of hindsight it's clearly cheating and who can blame the attackers for cheating in response?

I only saw the first and switched off. They were challenges, just dirty ones

Lumbering_Jack wrote:What exactly does that video probe. He was rightly sent off. I think the game has become too soft, these are grown athletes falling over like they've been shot. No need for it.

You scoffed at my assault comment, that is an assault and a brutal one. There were many, many more. Who is the bigger cheat? The guy that tries to stop the player by fouling or the guy that tries to stop the player fouling him by diving?

Yeah, that's what the divers are doing, stopping tough challenges, good grief.

I agree though, unnecessary force is also cheating.