Wach's alleged padless glove

Luckily, Vitali spotted it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_WNLP83ZiD8#!

But why isn't more being made of this?

Wow, that is insane. The coach seemed guilty as hell. It makes you wonder what else the team may have done to gain an advantage? Like take something (undetectable in urine to help absorb a punch). I'm no chemist but if opium can help Afghans take gun shot wounds then I'm sure it's possible?

TheMackemMawler wrote:Wow, that is insane. The coach seemed guilty as hell. It makes you wonder what else the team may have done to gain an advantage? Like take something (undetectable in urine to help absorb a punch). I'm no chemist but if opium can help Afghans take gun shot wounds then I'm sure it's possible?

Hahaha, Wach on opium now? Hahahaha! Superb! Might help you cope with the pain of a gun shot, but wouldnt be too useful if you need to jab and move for 12 rounds hahaha!

Bartley Gorman wrote:wouldnt be too useful if you need to jab and move for 12 rounds hahaha!

He didn't.

Union Cane wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:wouldnt be too useful if you need to jab and move for 12 rounds hahaha!

He didn't.

Touché

This is disgusting if true.

If this is investigated and found they tried to fight with padding missing then Wach and his team should be treated the same way we all (mostly all) condeme Margarito and the Resto/Lewis crimes.

Bartley Gorman wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:Wow, that is insane. The coach seemed guilty as hell. It makes you wonder what else the team may have done to gain an advantage? Like take something (undetectable in urine to help absorb a punch). I'm no chemist but if opium can help Afghans take gun shot wounds then I'm sure it's possible?

Hahaha, Wach on opium now? Hahahaha! Superb! Might help you cope with the pain of a gun shot, but wouldnt be too useful if you need to jab and move for 12 rounds hahaha!

That tickled you didn't it.

Super D Boon wrote:

Bartley Gorman wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:Wow, that is insane. The coach seemed guilty as hell. It makes you wonder what else the team may have done to gain an advantage? Like take something (undetectable in urine to help absorb a punch). I'm no chemist but if opium can help Afghans take gun shot wounds then I'm sure it's possible?

Hahaha, Wach on opium now? Hahahaha! Superb! Might help you cope with the pain of a gun shot, but wouldnt be too useful if you need to jab and move for 12 rounds hahaha!

That tickled you didn't it.

I'll be honest, the opium shout was 'one up' on anything else i'd ever heard regarding drugs in sport lol!

Wach looks like a dodgy type to be honest. Glad Wlad smacked him up though shame he couldn't finish him. The guy has a head like a boulder.

Love the fact they put the padded glove on the left hand, didn't even try to hide the fact they were blatantly trying to cheat.

I wonder if Vitali told Wladimir about it before the fight started?

Hasn't Wach had hand problems?

Presumably to give him a bit more of a whack...

I'll get my coat.

Bartley Gorman wrote:

TheMackemMawler wrote:Wow, that is insane. The coach seemed guilty as hell. It makes you wonder what else the team may have done to gain an advantage? Like take something (undetectable in urine to help absorb a punch). I'm no chemist but if opium can help Afghans take gun shot wounds then I'm sure it's possible?

Hahaha, Wach on opium now? Hahahaha! Superb! Might help you cope with the pain of a gun shot, but wouldnt be too useful if you need to jab and move for 12 rounds hahaha!

Not opium you numpty! I was insinuating the use of a chemical to improve ones ability to absorb punishment. In no way did I imply Wach smoked opium, I find it funny that you thought I did though!

Having seen that, I wonder to myself why Wachs KO ratio has recently shot up! Cheating Polish Boulder Grid.

This is a very serious offence that should carry a lifelong ban. There should be an investigation. The glove could have been planted there by someone, even Klitschko in order to get him into trouble. Or he might not have known about it. I dont trust what goes on in Germany they have a very dodgy history with corruption in boxing which is another reason why Frank Maloney might have been spot on with his comments about Klitschko.

Gordy wrote:This is a very serious offence that should carry a lifelong ban. There should be an investigation. The glove could have been planted there by someone, even Klitschko in order to get him into trouble. Or he might not have known about it. I dont trust what goes on in Germany they have a very dodgy history with corruption in boxing which is another reason why Frank Maloney might have been spot on with his comments about Klitschko.

So Wach is found with padding missing from his right glove and it's somehow Klitschko's fault?! you my friend are a complete clown!

Gordy wrote:This is a very serious offence that should carry a lifelong ban. There should be an investigation. The glove could have been planted there by someone, even Klitschko in order to get him into trouble. Or he might not have known about it. I dont trust what goes on in Germany they have a very dodgy history with corruption in boxing which is another reason why Frank Maloney might have been spot on with his comments about Klitschko.

Can the mods suspend the swear filter or I may start swearing in Afrikaans or Xhosha.

Gordy.....you're saying that the Klitschko's (who haven't publicised or commented at all about this matter) may have planted the glove and this means Frank Maloney (who having met a few times is a complete goon, each time gets worse) is right in his analysis that all Wladimir cared about was not paying Manny some money?

You're a joke my friend, it won't be long before you're ran off this board for idiocy.

If the Ks have not reported it then its not an issue. If it was cheating and they did not report it then they are also at fault as it means he could try it again..

Its not the first time they have created a stink with gloves, they did it against Haye and Chisora.

If the glove was tampered with, then it should be used as evidence, if it has not, they why not?

I've heard the commisioner agrees that the glove is missing padding - I suspect he is the one who will make the report. Can anyone translate?

The Klitschkos are renowned for trying to put off opponents with this pre fight dressing room cowpat.

Its probably Vitali putting added pressure on Wach. Nothing going on there imo, Tunes is correct.......for once.

do they not have a set of scales to check it with?

azania wrote:Its probably Vitali putting added pressure on Wach. Nothing going on there imo, Tunes is correct.......for once.

It's strange then, how the little important looking fella at 2:52min says "its gone, its gone, the padding has gone, look at this, the padding has gone, it's gone"

When the guy says the padding is "gone" I think he means it's not as it should be rather than it's been removed.

How does anyone know the glove wasnt planted? For all we know it was a memeber of Klitschkos team that put it there. If Klitschko did not rport something that serious then frankly it looks like it was one of his team behind it all along.

Gordy wrote:How does anyone know the glove wasnt planted? For all we know it was a memeber of Klitschkos team that put it there. If Klitschko did not rport something that serious then frankly it looks like it was one of his team behind it all along.

Yes, you've arrived to that conclusion well.

Gordy wrote:How does anyone know the glove wasnt planted? For all we know it was a memeber of Klitschkos team that put it there. If Klitschko did not rport something that serious then frankly it looks like it was one of his team behind it all along.

so because klitschko never reported it he must have planted it? Even though he tells an official on camera in the dressing room that the padding has gone.

victorgarco wrote:

Gordy wrote:How does anyone know the glove wasnt planted? For all we know it was a memeber of Klitschkos team that put it there. If Klitschko did not rport something that serious then frankly it looks like it was one of his team behind it all along.

so because klitschko never reported it he must have planted it? Even though he tells an official on camera in the dressing room that the padding has gone.

Sounds like everybody involved is on opium!

I heard Wlad shot JFK.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:I heard Wlad shot JFK.

Whooo let the dogs out?...Wlad...i heard it was Wlad.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:I heard Wlad shot JFK.

I've never heard him deny it. Must be guilty.

This is Germany we are talking about. Anyone heard of Sven Ottke?? He robbed and cheated his way past all his opponents in Germany. I dont trust Klitschko and have read plenty of things about him that indicates he is an unpleasant character. Read the thread on here that shows how he manipulates fighters contracts, read Frank Maloneys view on him. Is this stuff all a coicidence. Think about it, if a boxer finds out that his opponent blatantly tried to cheat then how is it there is not an investigation or a big deal made over it? There are lots of other things to conside like whether or not the glove may have been planted or even if it had its padding removed at all. It could have been a cheap stunt designed to unsettle an opponent which is another thing that Klitschko seems fond of doing. Why should we assume that his opponent tried to cheat when we dont know the whole story??

Right, I'm going to have to stop you there Gordy, some of the things you are coming out with are putting the site as a whole in a precarious legal position. If you have evidence to back up any of your allegations I suggest you take it to the relevant authorities, but please do not discuss things any further on here.

Gordy wrote:This is Germany we are talking about. Anyone heard of Sven Ottke?? He robbed and cheated his way past all his opponents in Germany. I dont trust Klitschko and have read plenty of things about him that indicates he is an unpleasant character. Read the thread on here that shows how he manipulates fighters contracts, read Frank Maloneys view on him. Is this stuff all a coicidence. Think about it, if a boxer finds out that his opponent blatantly tried to cheat then how is it there is not an investigation or a big deal made over it? There are lots of other things to conside like whether or not the glove may have been planted or even if it had its padding removed at all. It could have been a cheap stunt designed to unsettle an opponent which is another thing that Klitschko seems fond of doing. Why should we assume that his opponent tried to cheat when we dont know the whole story??

Read a guys view on a future HOF fighter?

The same guy who days ago made sarcastic remarks about a recently deceased trainer in Manny Steward?

The little man is a twerp.

And as for K Bro, im sure the video clearly shows the boxing org members agreeing with what Vitali showed them.

There was no padding and EVERYBODY had a feel.

He may not have complained about it yet purely because the relevant people were there to witness it.

I am just saying think of things from all angles. Why is it ok to accuse one fighter of cheating but not suggest it may have been a stunt from the Klitschkos team? People seem happy to condemn Klitschkos opponent but not look at things from the other side!

Im not being funny, but everybody jumped on Margaritos back about handwraps against Cotto when there was no proof.

This scenario HAS proof and Wach is being defended.

Makes no Sense!

The Klitschkos have come in for some serious criticism on these boards, so are not protected as Gordy seems to be suggesting. But there is a big difference between criticising a boxers performance or choice of opponent and accusing them of cheating without any shread of proof.

probably because it was in said fighters dressing room and his trainer said there was nothing wrong with it when quite clearly there was something wrong with it. But I agree - it might just have been a faulty glove and if it isnt we'll probably hear more about it.

bhb001 wrote:The Klitschkos have come in for some serious criticism on these boards, so are not protected as Gordy seems to be suggesting. But there is a big difference between criticising a boxers performance or choice of opponent and accusing them of cheating without any shread of proof.

And why do you think there is the criticism? Is it just a coincidence!? I am not accusing Klitschko of cheating I am saying all we know is that there was a glove there, supposedly, with no padding. I am not even sure if it is true there ws no padding all we can see a glove in the tape and have to take Klitschkos word for it! But if there was no padding then it does not automatically make Klitschkos opponent the guilty one! There should be an investigation!

"For all we know it was a memeber of Klitschkos team that put it there. If Klitschko did not rport something that serious then frankly it looks like it was one of his team behind it all along."

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. (by the way, left all the spelling mistakes in his quote as wouldn't like Gordy thinking I was taking anything out of context)

Gordy wrote:

bhb001 wrote:The Klitschkos have come in for some serious criticism on these boards, so are not protected as Gordy seems to be suggesting. But there is a big difference between criticising a boxers performance or choice of opponent and accusing them of cheating without any shread of proof.

And why do you think there is the criticism? Is it just a coincidence!? I am not accusing Klitschko of cheating I am saying all we know is that there was a glove there, supposedly, with no padding. I am not even sure if it is true there ws no padding all we can see a glove in the tape and have to take Klitschkos word for it! But if there was no padding then it does not automatically make Klitschkos opponent the guilty one! There should be an investigation!

No we do not.

There were multiple witnesses in the changing room, inlcuding high member of the boxing bodies.

So, actually, we have to take 10 peoples words over Wachs. Oh, and video proof.

I think we should wait until Frank Maloney or Lennox Lewis comment on it before we all jump to conclusions.

This Gordy guy makes me laugh lol. Even though multiple people on here have told him there is a member of the boxing association present who confirmed the glove had missing padding and other witnesses who confirmed it all on the video he still thinks it's klitschko making up lies to get under the skin of wach hahaha.

And then he says that klitschko must have planted it as he has not yet made a public complaint over it lol even though he complained to the member of the boxing organisation on video in the changing room and that member made wach change gloves as the one he was going to use was faulty. Gordy believes all of this because he doesn't like K2 and thinks Germany is a dodgy place haha

manos de piedra wrote:I think we should wait until Frank Maloney or Lennox Lewis comment on it before we all jump to conclusions.

Superb!!

Gordy - please just admit that you're on the wind up.

The comission supply the gloves though, it's not like Wach turned up with his own pair. It's a world away from the Margarito situation, where one of his team deliberately cheated.