Novak cheated a point enroute to winning the title

For all gamesmanship thingy raised in this forum, let me bring a stat, I guess most of the forum members who watched the match between Del Po and Djoko are aware of it, Djoko cheated a point and the momentum from Del Boy.

Del Po was up a set and a break in 2nd set, in the mid of the 2nd set Del Po played a great drop shot, and it double bounced just before it hit the racket of Djoko, Djoko should be clearly aware of it , yet he claimed the point, poor Del Po could do nothing than carry on with the game, a good sportsmanship would be to either concede the point or go to the umpire and explain that he is unsure whether the ball was double bounce or not, but rather he kept the point enroute to win and the title.

In my view it just shows Nole is desperate for win and wanted to win somehow rather than genuinely beat the opponents out with the skill, I remember the same country men Tipsy concede the point several times in his career to the opponent when the point didn't belong to him, hope in the future Djoko learns something from his close friend. At the end of the day Nole know his win is a bit tainted and didn't come 100% genuine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvaAaDVBBa8

Link added above , it clearly shows DP was furious that nobody accounted the double bounce.

Any links IC?

Operative word used..."should"...

It did happen but that is a tough one for the player at full speed you don't have a better idea if the ball bounced or not and it is the umpires call to be made not Novak's. And in no way did it change the outcome of the match, so you are wrong on both counts IC. Novak probably on the dead run had no better idea that it bounced twice just like the ump who missed the call. And Del Po would have lost anyway, nice try on the cheating though that is pretty funny.

Ok this is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57oBkoapGZQ

Go to 9:50

Del Potro wins the point.

invisiblecoolers wrote:Djoko should be clearly aware of it , yet he claimed the point, poor Del Po could do nothing than carry on with the game,

Not sure how much research has gone into this.

It Must Be Love wrote:Any links IC?

I will post the link when I find one, meanwhile you can watch for the highlights of Del Po- Djoko match in the 2nd set.

IC I just found it.
Del Potro won the point, so I'm not 100% sure you've researched this article fully.

Yes Del Po won the point, but Djoko clearly try to cheat the point.

By the way how is this Djokovic cheating this not his call at all it is the umpires and it isn't a clear call on the dead sprint the guy who actually has the best view of the play is your opponent. And it in no way changed the outcome as usual Novak beats Del Po nothing much to see here.

Considering Djokovic loses the point anyway, there's not much point of him saying anything.
If he won the point, then the onus would be on him I suppose.

Anyway IC, hope I'm not being too harsh here but would be a tad better if you double checked your article in future

My point is Djoko didn't exhibit the sportsmanship to concede the point, the commentators showed the replay 100 times and explained how it could have affected the momentum.

Yes Djoko tried to cheat but Del Po won the point, that is pretty funny. Djokovic is the first player to ever not call out a marginal double bounce when he is on the dead run. No one tried to cheat anyone except you who tried to cheat the readers with a fake scandal.

invisiblecoolers wrote:Yes Del Po won the point,

Didn't you claim in the article that Djokovic claimed the point???

Was that the point when Delpo served at 2-3, then Djoko won that point and stole the momentum....er, by going on to lose that game.

Edit - Djoko "stole the momentum" by losing the actual point??

It Must Be Love wrote:Considering Djokovic loses the point anyway, there's not much point of him saying anything.
If he won the point, then the onus would be on him I suppose.

Anyway IC, hope I'm not being too harsh here but would be a tad better if you double checked your article in future

No you not harsh here, you can disagree to a view point and good you did post the video which I was still searching for, my point is Djoko wants the win at all cost and doesn't care whether he wins a point genuinely or not.

socal1976 wrote:Yes Djoko tried to cheat but Del Po won the point, that is pretty funny. Djokovic is the first player to ever not call out a marginal double bounce when he is on the dead run.

Not only that... it wouldn't have made a difference anyway, by the time he looked up Del Potro had put it away with ease.

I think Socal is right here; in the heat of the moment you cannot always be sure if the ball bounced one or twice. It would be silly to concede the point without being 100% certain. Besides Del Po won the point with the next shot so there was no time for Novak to object.

JuliusHMarx wrote:Was that the point when Delpo served at 2-3, then Djoko won that point and stole the momentum....er, by going on to lose that game.

Not only that... he didn't even win the point.
Edit: You've now acknowledged that lol

Nothing changes momentum like not telling the umpire that you had already lost the point after already losing the point in a game you were about to lose

JuliusHMarx wrote:Was that the point when Delpo served at 2-3, then Djoko won that point and stole the momentum....er, by going on to lose that game.

I am still searching for the link JHM, commentators showed the point 100 times on how that stole the momentum away from Del Po, i actually missed the point live but only saw on th replay at the end of the set.

At full stretch its very hard to tell if the ball bounced twice...your vision can be impeded by your outstretched arm for one thing...and at the very edge of a long stretch you dont feel the ball on the strings the same, nor if the ball hits the very top of the strings and not the middle. Given Novak applauds many of his opponents shots I wouldnt think he's the type to go claiming shots he knowingly missed.

lydian wrote:At full stretch its very hard to tell if the ball bounced twice...your vision can be impeded by your outstretched arm for one thing...and at the very edge of a long stretch you dont feel the ball on the strings the same, nor if the ball hits the very top of the strings and not the middle. Given Novak applauds many of his opponents shots I wouldnt think he's the type to go claiming shots he knowingly missed.

The fact is it doesn't even go there... by the time he looks up Del Potro has put the ball away for a winner.
So it makes no difference what he says, he's lost the point either way, it would be weird to randomly claim you've lost the point, just after you've lost the point.

invisiblecoolers wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:Was that the point when Delpo served at 2-3, then Djoko won that point and stole the momentum....er, by going on to lose that game.

I am still searching for the link JHM, commentators showed the point 100 times on how that stole the momentum away from Del Po, i actually missed the point live but only saw on th replay at the end of the set.

If they showed it 100 times, it should be easy to find a link.

socal1976 wrote:Yes Djoko tried to cheat but Del Po won the point, that is pretty funny. Djokovic is the first player to ever not call out a marginal double bounce when he is on the dead run. No one tried to cheat anyone except you who tried to cheat the readers with a fake scandal.

I hope this article stands to your level of writing

JuliusHMarx wrote:

invisiblecoolers wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:Was that the point when Delpo served at 2-3, then Djoko won that point and stole the momentum....er, by going on to lose that game.

I am still searching for the link JHM, commentators showed the point 100 times on how that stole the momentum away from Del Po, i actually missed the point live but only saw on th replay at the end of the set.

If they showed it 100 times, it should be easy to find a link.

I've already posted the link.

From the article:

invisiblecoolers wrote:At the end of the day Nole know his win is a bit tainted and didn't come 100% genuine.

Yeah.. definitely.

i think you may have messed up a bit here IC and are trying to rescue the situation.

lydian wrote:Operative word used..."should"...

I used the operative word, coz from the other angle [from Nole's view point] it was way to clear it was a double bounce.

It Must Be Love wrote:

lydian wrote:At full stretch its very hard to tell if the ball bounced twice...your vision can be impeded by your outstretched arm for one thing...and at the very edge of a long stretch you dont feel the ball on the strings the same, nor if the ball hits the very top of the strings and not the middle. Given Novak applauds many of his opponents shots I wouldnt think he's the type to go claiming shots he knowingly missed.

The fact is it doesn't even go there... by the time he looks up Del Potro has put the ball away for a winner.
So it makes no difference what he says, he's lost the point either way, it would be weird to randomly claim you've lost the point, just after you've lost the point.

Your winner doesn't count mate, I'd already lost the point. Momentum to me!

invisiblecoolers wrote:

socal1976 wrote:Yes Djoko tried to cheat but Del Po won the point, that is pretty funny. Djokovic is the first player to ever not call out a marginal double bounce when he is on the dead run. No one tried to cheat anyone except you who tried to cheat the readers with a fake scandal.

I hope this article stands to your level of writing

Indeed Socal.. a little bit like your chairgate article.

JuliusHMarx wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:

lydian wrote:At full stretch its very hard to tell if the ball bounced twice...your vision can be impeded by your outstretched arm for one thing...and at the very edge of a long stretch you dont feel the ball on the strings the same, nor if the ball hits the very top of the strings and not the middle. Given Novak applauds many of his opponents shots I wouldnt think he's the type to go claiming shots he knowingly missed.

The fact is it doesn't even go there... by the time he looks up Del Potro has put the ball away for a winner.
So it makes no difference what he says, he's lost the point either way, it would be weird to randomly claim you've lost the point, just after you've lost the point.

Your winner doesn't count mate, I'd already lost the point. Momentum to me!

BOOM!

LuvSports! wrote:i think you may have messed up a bit here IC and are trying to rescue the situation.

Well, when gamesmanship can be questioned for taking a chair, why can't I open a thread for a genuine false act.

Not really Eman...

emancipator wrote:I think Socal is right here; in the heat of the moment you cannot always be sure if the ball bounced one or twice. It would be silly to concede the point without being 100% certain. Besides Del Po won the point with the next shot so there was no time for Novak to object.

Exactly emancipator, on the dead sprint the guy who has the best view of the point is your opponent and not you. You are runnin and just lunging your racquet at the ball. Besides it is the umpires call to make and if you have any doubt you wouldn't speak up when it isn't your call to make anyway.

It Must Be Love wrote:Not really Eman...

Why did I rob Socal's gamesmanship article momentum now?

socal1976 wrote:

emancipator wrote:I think Socal is right here; in the heat of the moment you cannot always be sure if the ball bounced one or twice. It would be silly to concede the point without being 100% certain. Besides Del Po won the point with the next shot so there was no time for Novak to object.

Exactly emancipator, on the dead sprint the guy who has the best view of the point is your opponent and not you. You are runnin and just lunging your racquet at the ball. Besides it is the umpires call to make and if you have any doubt you wouldn't speak up when it isn't your call to make anyway.

So waiting for umpire to make a decision when you already know you didn't make it is called sportsmanship right?

invisiblecoolers wrote:

LuvSports! wrote:i think you may have messed up a bit here IC and are trying to rescue the situation.

Well, when gamesmanship can be questioned for taking a chair, why can't I open a thread for a genuine false act.

Because it isn't gamesmanship if you miss a call on an iffy double bounce. If you have played tennis you would know that it isn't always clear to the guy hitting that shot that he is trying to scoop off the surface if he got it before it bounced or simultaneously or after the bounce.

invisiblecoolers wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:Not really Eman...

Why did I rob Socal's gamesmanship article momentum now?

No you've just written an article based on a bit of a false premise.. and are now trying to heavily backtrack.

To be fair you did do this with the Nadal handshake thing as well, you said Nadal didn't handshake Berdych, I posted a link showing the handshake... and you suddenly backtracked and started going on about how it wasn't a 'proper' handshake.

count it

It Must Be Love wrote:

invisiblecoolers wrote:

It Must Be Love wrote:Not really Eman...

Why did I rob Socal's gamesmanship article momentum now?

No you've just written an article based on a bit of a false premise.. and are now trying to heavily backtrack.

To be fair you did do this with the Nadal handshake thing as well, you said Nadal didn't handshake Berdych, I posted a link showing the handshake... and you suddenly backtracked and started going on about how it wasn't a 'proper' handshake.

Where did I back track in this thread? regarding Nadal -Berdych handshake, its very clear it isn't a proper handshake, I did clearly mention pls post a link showing a proper handshake, Nadal didn't do a proper handshake and you failed to clear there as usual. Back tracking is generally your business IMBL , I never did it.

socal1976 wrote:If you have played tennis you would know that it isn't always clear to the guy hitting that shot that he is trying to scoop off the surface if he got it before it bounced or simultaneously or after the bounce.

Not always the case, at times the player clearly knows whether he made it or not, in this case, if you watch it from Djoko's angle it was way to clear he knew it.

I havent re-watched this but my impression from the replays at the time was that Djokovic got the ball before the second bounce. Of course, he lost the point anyway. Apart from DP having a bit of a strop despite winning the point, nothing really in the incident, certainly from a Djokovic point of view.

Look at this link, for the full match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvaAaDVBBa8

@ 1hour 19th minute, Del Po was clearly furious after the cheating act of Djoko, it clearly did affect his momentum, Del Po was on par in the 2nd set and clearly lost his momentum and focus to lose the match.

All Djoko could have come and said, yes it did double bounce and words like I tried for the point and couldn't make it, simple as that, thats called sportsmanship, but Djoko knew he stole the focus away from DP and cared a little and used it to his max to win the game.

Interesting, they didnt show the extra slow replay on bbc, which makes it clear it was a double bounce. I would be very surprised if djokovic knew that though.

invisiblecoolers wrote:
Where did I back track in this thread? regarding Nadal -Berdych handshake, its very clear it isn't a proper handshake, I did clearly mention pls post a link showing a proper handshake, Nadal didn't do a proper handshake and you failed to clear there as usual. Back tracking is generally your business IMBL , I never did it.

lol IC, ok here's the quote.
Link: https://www.606v2.com/t36885-atp-awards
Time: by invisiblecoolers on Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:18 am
Extract from the comment (the one I'm referring to):

There are incidents from Nadal who failed to shake hands with Berdych and swore at him after losing a match

You were wrong on both counts...

Not only did Nadal shake hands with Berdych...
Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPUFTajFu1g
Nadal also didn't swear at Berdych, this is Berdych's quote from interview:

''I was expecting the crowd to get behind (Nadal) in his own country and I understand that they want him to win the match and the tournament, but they have to understand that other players can win too.'' Berdych said that Nadal had criticised him when they shook hands at the end of the match. ''He said 'You are very bad'. ''I expect the crowd to follow him and be on his side, but this isn't the Davis Cup.''

Link: http://news.oneindia.in/2006/10/21/nadal-and-berdych-fall-out-over-crowd-behaviour-in-madrid-1161394464.html

So you were wrong on both counts... and are now going on about a proper 'handshake', quickly changing your premise after you saw you were wrong from the video. I never commented on whether the handshake was 'proper' or not.

IMBL , lets stick to Djoko's issue with this thread, you can get back to Nadal-Berdych handshake issue on the other thread, coz when your proven wrong you tend to mix match the issues and divert from the actual thing.

now I got the full link for the match in which DP was clearly furious after the issue and it did lead to his focus lapse, and Djoko showed no sportsman spirit to come and explain the issue of double bounce to the umpire.

As usual you are wrong on every count yet, you ego of baised Nadal worship sees him as a saint always where as every other player's simple speach will be questioned to death.

I can understand it pains IMBL to question anything about your hero's act, where as you question other players and 8 times official sportsmanship award winner's character, real shame.

Anyways IMBL why did Rafa felt Berdych is very bad? coz he beat him on his own soil? so thats the crime Berdych committed? oh yes thats the new definition of sportsmanship

Born Slippy wrote:Interesting, they didnt show the extra slow replay on bbc, which makes it clear it was a double bounce. I would be very surprised if djokovic knew that though.

I don't think it's that obvious even in slo-mo.
Did Delpo say "3 bounces"?

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Born Slippy wrote:Interesting, they didnt show the extra slow replay on bbc, which makes it clear it was a double bounce. I would be very surprised if djokovic knew that though.

I don't think it's that obvious even in slo-mo.
Did Delpo say "3 bounces"?

JHM it was way to clear from the other angle, unfortunately Djoko's side camera angle is not found so far, once the video is posted you can see for sure Djoko knew it clearly.

Oh dear...

go to 31.15 in this vid
it shows the side on view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDw0z7S28iE&feature=plcp

IC you said it changed the momentum correct?

But novak had already broken back here but you said he was a break up in the second, this is simply not true.