When will Anscombe promote Marshall Gilroy and Henderson?

As the title says. I don't think I need to explain my reasons for asking the question!

And also, yea save the calls for perspective to be given. We know Fiji were poor. But I'm a firm believer in how players develop to a higher overall standard when faith and confidence is shown in them earlier on.

Is it time Trimble and Wallace became the benchwarmers? And we only play Ferris in 8/9 vital games a year?

Gilroy instead of Payne maybe? He has been playing well there, you have the option of him at 13 if Cave isn't doing well.

Gilroy should be starting in my opinion, I don't think any backup at a province should start for Ireland by and large but I would give him a shot next week.
Marshall is relatively young is he? Wallace will get phased out sooner or later.

Murray did alright from the half I saw.

Gilroy has to be ahead of Trimble for both Ulster and Ireland. He offers so much more in attack.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Gilroy has to be ahead of Trimble for both Ulster and Ireland. He offers so much more in attack.

I agree to an extent, but mosts sides will require a lot more physicality in defence than we saw was required of Gilroy today. Trimble is very valuable to us in this aspect.

From 13 to 15 Ulster have options of Cave Trimble Gilroy Payne Bowe. If you can only play 3, for me (sadly) it has to be Cave that drops out. But which do you play at 13 and which at full-back?

Last week you wanted Cave at 13 for Ireland. Now you're dropping him out of the Ulster team. Make up your mind man.
All these young guys will get games and compliment the more experienced players. By the end of the season Marshall will be first choice 12. Gilroy will most likely be in the Ireland team so it would be likely he will have ousted Trimble as well.
One thing is certain. Ulster backs will dominate Irish rugby for the next few years.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Gilroy has to be ahead of Trimble for both Ulster and Ireland. He offers so much more in attack.

Sadly (I'm a massive Trimble fan) I believe you are right.

Worringly for the rest of the provinces Rav, but super for the national team. If you think of the quality we have coming up on the wings alone, shows we are in good stead: Gilroy,Nelson (I believe he can play wing?), Allen (would equally be at home in the centres), that Ulster lad playing for LI ( Gaston I think?), Conway, Dave Kearney, Zebo and Luke O'Dea too.


We have a lot of great talent

Rava wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Gilroy has to be ahead of Trimble for both Ulster and Ireland. He offers so much more in attack.

Sadly (I'm a massive Trimble fan) I believe you are right.

I'm a massive fan of both and to me they offer different things...as does Bowe. It's great to have them all.

Gilroy is a joy to watch with that step, swivel and pirouette... he reminds me of Jason Robinson. Lets not forget what Trimble brings to the table too and that he has been outstanding over the last few games.

Personally I think the time is coming soon when Bowe moves in one position but that's just like my opinion man...

At the beginning of his career Trimble was a Keith Earls type utility back, just a random though with his abrasive running style would he be suited to inside centre? He more or less guarantees go forward ball. He is doing a decent job on the wing though just a thought.

At the beginning of his career Trimble was a centre. Was a schoolboy star at Coleraine Inst at 13, broke through for Ulster and Ireland there. He only moved to the wing because he injured his hand and had trouble passing... EOS then preferred him to Bowe when Hickie got injured in 2006.

Ireland has so much talent available from 10 to 15 it's frightening.
What coach wouldn't relish spending the next five years working with them.

Rava wrote:Ireland has so much talent available from 10 to 15 it's frightening.
What coach wouldn't relish spending the next five years working with them.

Is that a trick question Rava....

Good to see you back sir

clivemcl wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Gilroy has to be ahead of Trimble for both Ulster and Ireland. He offers so much more in attack.

From 13 to 15 Ulster have options of Cave Trimble Gilroy Payne Bowe. If you can only play 3, for me (sadly) it has to be Cave that drops out. But which do you play at 13 and which at full-back?

Players who play 13 effectively in bold. Players who play 15 effectively in italics. You don't move players around just to fit them in if you have in-form specialists.

We have three great wingers, so we should just pick the two that are in form and spring the other off the bench.

Notch wrote:

clivemcl wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Gilroy has to be ahead of Trimble for both Ulster and Ireland. He offers so much more in attack.

From 13 to 15 Ulster have options of Cave Trimble Gilroy Payne Bowe. If you can only play 3, for me (sadly) it has to be Cave that drops out. But which do you play at 13 and which at full-back?

Players who play 13 effectively in bold. Players who play 15 effectively in italics. You don't move players around just to fit them in if you have in-form specialists.

We have three great wingers, so we should just pick the two that are in form and spring the other off the bench.

+1 - Seemples

Rava wrote:

Notch wrote:

clivemcl wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Gilroy has to be ahead of Trimble for both Ulster and Ireland. He offers so much more in attack.

From 13 to 15 Ulster have options of Cave Trimble Gilroy Payne Bowe. If you can only play 3, for me (sadly) it has to be Cave that drops out. But which do you play at 13 and which at full-back?

Players who play 13 effectively in bold. Players who play 15 effectively in italics. You don't move players around just to fit them in if you have in-form specialists.

We have three great wingers, so we should just pick the two that are in form and spring the other off the bench.

+1 - Seemples

Well maybe from an Irish perspective but Anscombe is a Kiwi and won't have any worries moving players between wing, center and fullback.... because he understands what so few over here do...that these aren't specialist positions and good, talented players can move between them easily enough, especially when playing the quick offloading style of rugby that Ulster are playing this year.

No one should feel comfortable about their positions.

Anscombe picks on form which is why the players he is picking deserve it but I think if they keep going then Wallace and Trimble will probably get replaced unless they continue to play well.

First thing is you need depth...like Leinster have guys like McFadden, Kearney jr, O'Malley etc. who don't start when all are fit...that's what you need to win trophies, good players who don't even make the squad.

Second is that beyond this season we don't know what will happen with Paddy Wallace and long term Payne too so all the others have plenty of rugby to look forward to for Ulster if they keep playing well.

But the players need to get gametime in order to judge whose on form? How do we do that if the player in form holds the jersey. 15minutes off the bench isn't a lot to prove your form to the coach. You would say, the youngsters will get there chance when the internationals are away. Oops... They ARE our internationals.

Do you think anscombe will start Marshall, Gilroy and Hendo when they return? Notch, you can develop a player into another position, its not against the rules. Bowe is talented enough to develop at fb or 13, and Gilroy is young enough to learn fb.

Just a thought like. I would want the best 4 out of the 5 on the pitch. But if you don't believe bowe is capable of playing fb or 13 well, or Gilroy fb, that's fair enough. But I believe it could work. And with versatality on the pitch, we could have cave on the bench.

Yeah, but what do you think makes them better at that position than wing. More importantly, how do you replace what Cave brings in the centre? Fair enough if you move Payne there, but then you've got Gilroy or Bowe at fullback when really they are both tremendous wingers. Gilroy is on the brink of ousting Trimble and taking his spot for Ireland and Ulster, he's just after scoring a fine hat trick. Why oh why do you try and get him to learn a new position now of all times? Just put Trimble on the bench if he's that good. Same with Bowe; world class wing when on form.

Clive, it's like you've never heard of rotation. One week start Bowe and Trimble. The next start Gilroy and Bowe. Then Gilroy and Trimble. Until the HC when you just pick your two most in-form players.

The difference between you and me is I want the best unit on the pitch. Cave and Payne are quite obviously the best 13 and 15 we have. Payne is probably the best 13 as well though- but Cave is a lot better than the other fullbacks we have.

I think Anscombe will start Henderson, whether Marshall or Gilroy start depends on the game tomorrow, the game against Treviso and the Argentina game. Just be patient. We have all the time in the world.

Exciting times anyway isn't it! On the rotation thing, I fully agree. But Anscombe doesn't. Not that I can see. Since all the internationals returned, the only team changes made have been forced by injury. There were occassions when all of us assumed certain players would be rested, only to see the same names on the teamsheet week after week.

Since Bowe returned, he and trimble started five matches on a trot before Gilroy got back on the wing. Remember that game? The one where Bowe was played at 15?

Wonder what that was all about...

Lads its great to have competition for places and to have these debates. It means we are becoming a good side.

Gilroy needs more Rabo time to improve his defence. That is the one area where he has to get better to displace Trimble or Bowe from the HEC team.

Luke is pretty much on a par with Wallace except for experience. He will see plenty of gametime to gradually get that experience and I'd include some of that at 10 instead of giving it to NOC.

Ferris has only played a dozen games a season recently, so Henderson will see plenty of time at 6 to learn the game. He should possibly see some time across the backrow to increase his bench utility.

Luke may be a hell of a lot closer to Paddy after today. A lot of our big guys didnt step up today. henderson will see a lot of gametime given Fez's injury profile