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The Curtain Draws On The 'Hitman's' Career!!
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Just put my latest article up on my sports blog. I have copied and pasted it below for everyone to read. If you can please visit the site as it helps builds support of the blog which in return helps my portfolio and gets me more work!! Link is as follows:
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Just put my latest article up on my sports blog. I have copied and pasted it below for everyone to read. If you can please visit the site as it helps builds support of the blog which in return helps my portfolio and gets me more work!! Link is as follows:
http://aviewfrommyarmchair.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/the-curtain-draws-on-the-hitmans-career/ #Boxing
Here is the article in it's entirety:
The scene was set, nearly 20,000 fans piled into the MEN arena eagerly anticipating the return of their hero. Once again British boxing was captivated by Ricky ‘The Hitman’ Hatton. As was always the case at his fights the crowd were buzzing, an atmosphere which only Hatton could create. Excitement washed over those in attendance, leaving the MEN arena rocking long before the ring walks started. As the lights turned blue & the trademark ‘Blue Moon’ rang out the eyes of the boxing world were back on Ricky Hatton.
The noise in the arena was thunderous long before his ring walk and whilst excitement washed over those in attendance there was a sense of trepidation in the air. After over 3 years out of the ring & with the well documented troubles he had faced many were wondering just how the former two weight world champion would fare. They received there answer in the 9th round...
A sharp left hook to the body put Hatton onto the canvas and it was immediately obvious to all that he would not be getting up to beat the count, despite the crowd’s best attempts to roar him to his feet. Whilst there had been a couple of glimpses of the old Hatton during the course of the fight it was clear to see that he longer had the tools to compete at the top. Even before the ending came he had been eating up the right jab of Senchenko. There was little in the way of head movement and the once effective body shots were nowhere to be found. Ring rust certainly played a part in the early goings but by the time the fight had got into the later rounds even Hatton himself knew that his struggles were down to much more than that. He was unable to cut off the ring the way he used to & even when on the rare occasion he got on the inside of the Ukrainian he was unable to put together any kind of meaningful attack.
In the ring was a shadow of the once dominant light-welterweight world champion. Of course there was no shame in that, when everything was looked at objectively there was only one conclusion to be drawn. He didn’t have to much right being there in the first place. Here was a guy who had been out of the ring for over 3 years, much of which had been spent living as far removed from the disciplined lifestyle required of a boxer. In front of him was a former welterweight world champion who had been boxing not just regularly but also against opponents of the higher echelons.
If truth be told Ricky probably did much better than one should of. He was at least in the fight and had enjoyed a good opening 4 rounds. Yet as the bout wore on Senchenko had been gradually taking over. He did nothing special yet Hatton struggled to figure him out. Gone was the ability to cut off the ring and walk his opponents onto the ropes. The sharp jab to get on the inside & the powerful hooks had been replaced by wild swinging ‘chancers’ punches. Even Hatton acknowledged it, stating after the fight that ‘I could see people way up top ducking to avoid them’. That sentence, with a glint of irony & humour captured the essence of what was supposed to be taken from the evening.
This was more than a case of whether Hatton could merely compete. It was a night where he was hoping to finally rid himself of the demons which had built up in a turbulent end to his career first time round. Of course he would of liked have gone out on a win but how many boxers ever end on their own terms? This is a sport where most stick around longer than they should. He didn’t end the bout as the winner but this time at least he walked out of the ring senses intact & answers he had sought found.
As he slumped on the ropes, heartbreak etched across his face, the crowd seemingly came alive once more. The familiar sound of ‘there’s only one Ricky Hatton’ began to reverberate around the MEN and applause followed him as exited the ring.
Immediately following the fight Ricky had declared that he would make no hasty decisions. Thankfully by the time he had made his way to the post fight press conference he had finally recognised and seemingly accepted that this should be the end to what has been an incredible journey.
"I needed one more fight to see if I had still got it - and I haven't.," he said.
"I found out tonight it isn't there no more. I'm a straight-shooter and I tell the truth. I can look at myself in the mirror and tell myself I did my best, but there is always an excuse to find.
"I got in the best shape I possibly could but if I hadn't been hit with that body shot I would have just scraped over the line with a points win and I honestly think I would still be telling you all the same thing."
His words were spoken with brutal honesty, delivered as not just an opinion but a statement of fact. Those in the room could see in his demeanour that an essence of realisation had finally been captured by Hatton. He himself had realised that this was the end & all the signals pointed to him being able to accept that.
Those closest to him would have been awash with relief at his announcement that he was calling it a day. None more so than partner Jennifer, who had been a nervous wreck during the fight & a rock throughout his darkest hours.
This time around there would be no hesitation. He had spent months deliberating his decision when he was beaten by Manny Pacquiao, wondering whether he could have done things differently. He looked for excuses and in the end it resulted in him sliding into a dark, solitary & lonely place. He was insistent that this time would be different.
“I’m a happy man tonight. I don’t feel like putting a knife to my wrists, I don’t feel like cutting myself,” he said. “I’ve got the answers I needed. I can look at myself in the mirror and tell myself I did my best.
“I needed to have one more fight to put the ghosts and the demons to bed. If you’re looking for excuses you can always find them, under the bed or in a cupboard. But the top and bottom was that I wanted to find whether I’ve still got it, and I haven’t.”
As he left the ring for the final time it was clear for all to see that this was a man who was still loved by the British public. Their support of him was unwavering and there adulation very rarely seen. Here were 20,000 strong showing up for a man who had not only been out of the ring for 3 years but who had, at least in his eyes, let everyone down.
This show of support provided plenty of evidence that it was a belief which couldn’t have been further from the truth. In fact his battle against depression had if anything made that bond to the general public even stronger.
As the curtain draws on his career as a fighter Ricky should look back proud of all he has achieved. World titles were captured in two weight classes and he was an undisputed king at light-welterweight. He gave British boxing some of the greatest nights ever; none more so than his epic encounter which saw him dethrone a Pound for Pound great in Kosta Tsyzu.
Yet perhaps more than that, it is his legacy as one of Britain’s most loved sports men of all time that he should remember.
He never shirked away from a challenge and in an era which has seen plenty of people avoid the best Hatton chased them down, seeking to test his metal against them. His relentless & brutal style along with his attempts to always provide excitement for the paying public should be applauded.
It was these characteristics which connected him to not only boxing fans but the general public. He was a throwback, a man who many could relate to regardless of his wealth & success. As sports people & their way of life became more detached to the normal person he was just another bloke who enjoyed a pint, a pie & a game of darts.
This honesty inside the ring & out which captured the hearts & minds of the American audience. Even now those in Vegas still reminisce on those nights which saw his legion of fans travel across the Atlantic. Never had anyone packed out the strip the way he did...whether it was fight night or the day of the weigh in.
Often boxing fans speak of a need for fighters to capture the imagination of the wider audience. It is a task which is not easy, as shown by the select numbers who are able to do it. In Hatton these shores had a boxer who did that, he provided crossover appeal and gave boxing a huge platform with which to showcase itself on once more.
As he spoke his final words of his retirement speech his aims were clear
‘’Now I want to be the best father I can be to my kids, the best boyfriend I can be to Jennifer and the best trainer and promoter."
It is this kind of attitude which will aid him in his quest to move forward without feeling shackled by the past. With a blossoming stable of fighters under his promotional banner, all of which were showcased Saturday night, he has much to look forward to.
The last time Hatton packed away the famous sky blue shorts his life spiralled into 2 years of binge drinking, drugs & weight problems. A struggle to accept the defeat that had befallen him against Manny Pacquiao, but if the early signs are anything to go by then it is a problem which should not arise this time around.
Of course there will be battles, as their always is with boxers who no longer have their names up in lights, but the hope is that this time he will be able to face them as a person who is finally at ease with himself...and if he needs any help then he only needs remember his closing sentence to his retirement speech.
"You may think this is arrogant but it will be a long time before anyone brings crowds like I brought, and I'm very proud to take that title into retirement."
In that statement he should find solace as a man whose career will go down as one of the most memorable in British boxing. He will long be remembered and will be spoken of as one of Britain’s greatest & certainly most exciting fighters ever...perhaps more than that though his legion of fans will continue to love & support him unequivocally.
Last edited by owen10ozzy on Mon 26 Nov 2012, 5:46 pm; edited 1 time in total
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As always a good read Owen, very sad to see a hero of mine go out that way but the support and interest he manages to generate is unmatched.
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I think the next few years could be interesting. I think there's a lot of material out there for conspiracy theorists. I do hope he's not skint.
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Seems these figures are correct.
Hatton TV - £802K in debt
Hatton Health and Fitness - £600K in debt
Hatton Promotions - £2m in debt
Hatton Independent Traders - £164K in debt
Hatton TV - £802K in debt
Hatton Health and Fitness - £600K in debt
Hatton Promotions - £2m in debt
Hatton Independent Traders - £164K in debt
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seanmichaels wrote:Seems these figures are correct.
Hatton TV - £802K in debt
Hatton Health and Fitness - £600K in debt
Hatton Promotions - £2m in debt
Hatton Independent Traders - £164K in debt
Good read Owen (as always).
As for the debt issue, I hope that he hasn't plugged too much of his assets into it. Financially he was the most successful British Boxer I believe (Lewis may have been higher)...
Sky have put him out big by not supporting his fighters, maybe it's time to sign with Boxnation or utilise his good relations with Oscar in Golden Boy and get some of his stable out to the US for exposure?
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Sean -
Bit of info for you, those numbers most likely are correct (what source did you get them from?) ....Ricky has openly admitted to a number of his ventured being in trouble which was in large due to the cancellation of his SKY contract which had left him with contracts which couldn't be kept to and a number of compensation payments to be made.
However his deal with Primetime was believed to be 7 figures once PPV numbers come through which I am sure will help the cause somewhat.
What will be interesting is to see where his promotion company go from here. I think given Quiggs showing there could be some interest from both Warren & Hearn to reach some kind of agreement for a joint deal.
In terms of personal fortune Hatton is more than comfortable. Lets not forget he made north of £12 million combined for the fights with Mayweather & Pacman...plus he managed to sue and win a sizeable amount from Frank Warren!
Bit of info for you, those numbers most likely are correct (what source did you get them from?) ....Ricky has openly admitted to a number of his ventured being in trouble which was in large due to the cancellation of his SKY contract which had left him with contracts which couldn't be kept to and a number of compensation payments to be made.
However his deal with Primetime was believed to be 7 figures once PPV numbers come through which I am sure will help the cause somewhat.
What will be interesting is to see where his promotion company go from here. I think given Quiggs showing there could be some interest from both Warren & Hearn to reach some kind of agreement for a joint deal.
In terms of personal fortune Hatton is more than comfortable. Lets not forget he made north of £12 million combined for the fights with Mayweather & Pacman...plus he managed to sue and win a sizeable amount from Frank Warren!
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Good read but it was a left hook to the body that put him down not a right, taken out by his own money punch. The irony probably hurts more than the punch itself.
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Great article! I was hoping Hatton would not retire again. The reason he came back was because he thought he let people down but now he will feel even worse that he lost again so he could face the same problems. He should realise that 3 years is a long time to be away and he was bound to be rusty. A couple of warm up fights would get him fit again. Maybe not back to his best but he shouldnt go out after being knocked out again he should go out on a win.
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Ha...yes all changed bellchees. Rookie error on my behalf...especially given I was at the fight!!
Just had to correct an error on the OMPL table as well...will teach my for attempting to stay active on here whilst I have a ton of work for my job to do. Mistakes galore...best go check the stuff I have written which I actually get paid for.
Just had to correct an error on the OMPL table as well...will teach my for attempting to stay active on here whilst I have a ton of work for my job to do. Mistakes galore...best go check the stuff I have written which I actually get paid for.
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Gordy -
As I alluded to in the article I think Ricky realised that it was more than just ring rust on Saturday. Whilst he had a couple of moments for the vast majority of the fight he was completely off the boil.
He was ineffective at closing down the rage and lacked any kind of pop in his punches. I think he realised that age and his lifestyle had caught up to him in terms of performing at the top level.
He had a fantastic camp and was in decent enough shape but it wasn't even close to being enough unfortunately. He is not one to take the easy route, he never has, so he would never entertain the thought of 'warm up' fights where he fights cans...all that would do is give him & fans a false sense of his abilities.
He has made the right decision in my book and he can now move forward and fingers crossed keep his life on the tracks. He sounds much more positive this time around which is lovely to see.
He has some very good fighters in his stable none more so than Quigg so he should focus on those and continuing his training of boxers. Hopefully that will provide him with some more magical and memorable nights in a different way and will be enough to appease the gap in his life being out of the ring will bring!
As I alluded to in the article I think Ricky realised that it was more than just ring rust on Saturday. Whilst he had a couple of moments for the vast majority of the fight he was completely off the boil.
He was ineffective at closing down the rage and lacked any kind of pop in his punches. I think he realised that age and his lifestyle had caught up to him in terms of performing at the top level.
He had a fantastic camp and was in decent enough shape but it wasn't even close to being enough unfortunately. He is not one to take the easy route, he never has, so he would never entertain the thought of 'warm up' fights where he fights cans...all that would do is give him & fans a false sense of his abilities.
He has made the right decision in my book and he can now move forward and fingers crossed keep his life on the tracks. He sounds much more positive this time around which is lovely to see.
He has some very good fighters in his stable none more so than Quigg so he should focus on those and continuing his training of boxers. Hopefully that will provide him with some more magical and memorable nights in a different way and will be enough to appease the gap in his life being out of the ring will bring!
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owen10ozzy wrote:Sean -
Bit of info for you, those numbers most likely are correct (what source did you get them from?) ....Ricky has openly admitted to a number of his ventured being in trouble which was in large due to the cancellation of his SKY contract which had left him with contracts which couldn't be kept to and a number of compensation payments to be made.
However his deal with Primetime was believed to be 7 figures once PPV numbers come through which I am sure will help the cause somewhat.
What will be interesting is to see where his promotion company go from here. I think given Quiggs showing there could be some interest from both Warren & Hearn to reach some kind of agreement for a joint deal.
In terms of personal fortune Hatton is more than comfortable. Lets not forget he made north of £12 million combined for the fights with Mayweather & Pacman...plus he managed to sue and win a sizeable amount from Frank Warren!
It is nothing to do with me or my work but the information is available for all if you know where to look. Punch promotions had turnover of £11m in 2009 £1.5m in 2011. It has shareholder value of £20m but made a £1.2m loss in 2011.
I was pro Hatton in terms of believing his reasons for coming back but just got ruined with these stats.
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to summerise he's in massive debt then....guess the only other option bar fighting again is to just sell out. TV appearances etc. Cause seeing him swinging and missing and crying afterwards was painful.
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BallchinianMuffwig wrote:to summerise he's in massive debt then....guess the only other option bar fighting again is to just sell out. TV appearances etc. Cause seeing him swinging and missing and crying afterwards was painful.
I just think there are some funny things going on. The fight and irreconcilable differences with his old man (and mother?). Pretty sure he was involved in the business dealings at high level. Probably rinsed him until he got sober......
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He's coming to Leeds soon to a few Hotels, charging £50.00 to have a Q&A session and £125.00 for a VIP ticket.
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AlexHuckerby wrote:He's coming to Leeds soon to a few Hotels, charging £50.00 to have a Q&A session and £125.00 for a VIP ticket.
that's the way he should go but will he be funny or entertaining sober? these gigs usually involve a pi55 up.
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If he was coming back for largely financial reasons though you would think he would have plotted an easier course. He would likely have sold out his first comeback fight against almost anyone and could have milked his status for a few easy fights before moving up levels gradually. Hes a good actor if money was his primary reason for returning!
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seanmichaels wrote:BallchinianMuffwig wrote:to summerise he's in massive debt then....guess the only other option bar fighting again is to just sell out. TV appearances etc. Cause seeing him swinging and missing and crying afterwards was painful.
I just think there are some funny things going on. The fight and irreconcilable differences with his old man (and mother?). Pretty sure he was involved in the business dealings at high level. Probably rinsed him until he got sober......
I have two businesses and one things for sure: I couldn't run them with a modicum of success if I were bladdered all the time. Perhaps Ricky has run them into the ground thus requiring him to lace the gloves up again. I don't know what his set up is - ie whether his personal wealth is a seperate entity from his business capital & revenue stream, you'd certainly hope so, but perhaps he needs to look at allowing his firms to be absorbed by bigger fish, he has assets after all such as his name & brand and fighters such as Quigg. All speculation though.
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manos de piedra wrote:If he was coming back for largely financial reasons though you would think he would have plotted an easier course. He would likely have sold out his first comeback fight against almost anyone and could have milked his status for a few easy fights before moving up levels gradually. Hes a good actor if money was his primary reason for returning!
I would tend to agree. He's not stupid, he knew he was throwing himself in at the deep end a little bit, although I'm certain he felt as though he would be able to beat Senchenko without to much problem. i don't think he felt as though he'd be anywhere near as bad as he was.
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manos de piedra wrote:If he was coming back for largely financial reasons though you would think he would have plotted an easier course. He would likely have sold out his first comeback fight against almost anyone and could have milked his status for a few easy fights before moving up levels gradually. Hes a good actor if money was his primary reason for returning!
Exactly my argument earlier and the guys reponse was he is 'stupid'. I genuinely see both sides but lends to the argument someone rinsed him
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Does anyone know who David Evans is and his relationship to Ricky?
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Of course he came back for financial reasons. If he wanted to be a man of the people he would've sold the rights to ITV for a small amount. The arena ticket sales would ensure he isn't out of pocket.
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Lumbering - You do realise ITV wanted nothing to do with his return. In fact they haven't made any attempt to purchase boxing rights since 2008 when they signed a 2 yr 26 fight deal with Hennessy sports...which was eventually brought to an end prematurely.
Since then they have had no interest in screening boxing.
The only parties to make official approaches to Hatton for his comeback were Primetime & SKY. BBC made some sounds but dropped out fairly early on due to financial constraints (I would hazard a guess taxpayers money & using it for boxing may have caused some concerns).
Since then they have had no interest in screening boxing.
The only parties to make official approaches to Hatton for his comeback were Primetime & SKY. BBC made some sounds but dropped out fairly early on due to financial constraints (I would hazard a guess taxpayers money & using it for boxing may have caused some concerns).
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Didnt ITV show Amir Khans fight against malignaggi?
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AlexHuckerby wrote:Didnt ITV show Amir Khans fight against malignaggi?
They did but it was really odd, seemed low budget and wasn't advertised a lot. Probably to do with it starting at something like 5 in the morning.
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I remember watching it, but for the life of me I can't really remember it all too well. I remember Barrry McGuigan saying that it was Khans coming of age fight, strange seeeing as how he has said that at about 6 Khan fights, but you know...
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Lumbering_Jack wrote:Of course he came back for financial reasons. If he wanted to be a man of the people he would've sold the rights to ITV for a small amount. The arena ticket sales would ensure he isn't out of pocket.
I think once you reach the superstar status and wealth of Hatton then almost by default you are not a "man of the people". Your status and wealth sets you apart from the average joe and their day job whether you want it to or not. He was a fighter youraverage joe could relate to though.
I did genuinely get the impression he was coming back for reasons not primarily motivated by money although there seems to be rumours now suggesting otherwise.
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I can well believe money played its part, but as manos says, surely you'd plan a different way back... A few patsies as warm ups in front of full house... It worked before
Owen, would you really say hatton was the throwback, face any challenger fighter you suggest? He was portrayed that way, and I don't question his personal willingness to fight the best, but in my view he was one of the most cynically (well) manger boxers in history. Once champion, every fighter he fought was either a name on the slide or a 'weak' champion. Until the mega fights, where money talked. Not sure junior witter would agree with the assertion that he didn't shirk a challenge. Interested in your views.
Owen, would you really say hatton was the throwback, face any challenger fighter you suggest? He was portrayed that way, and I don't question his personal willingness to fight the best, but in my view he was one of the most cynically (well) manger boxers in history. Once champion, every fighter he fought was either a name on the slide or a 'weak' champion. Until the mega fights, where money talked. Not sure junior witter would agree with the assertion that he didn't shirk a challenge. Interested in your views.
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I think you can pick any record apart if you're that way inclined.
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milkyboy wrote:I can well believe money played its part, but as manos says, surely you'd plan a different way back... A few patsies as warm ups in front of full house... It worked before
Owen, would you really say hatton was the throwback, face any challenger fighter you suggest? He was portrayed that way, and I don't question his personal willingness to fight the best, but in my view he was one of the most cynically (well) manger boxers in history. Once champion, every fighter he fought was either a name on the slide or a 'weak' champion. Until the mega fights, where money talked. Not sure junior witter would agree with the assertion that he didn't shirk a challenge. Interested in your views.
Witter would have been a step back for Hatton... not in terms of talent but money.
Whilst Hatton was having big paid shows in the US under Golden Boy, Witter was stinking out lesiure centres. Financially it wasn't viable and it certainly wasn't a fight that would have propelled Hatton any further forward in his career.
That said, I think he was well matched overall.
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You can, but they don't all get painted as fight anyone anywhere legacy over money guys. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame him or his team, had I been managing him I'd have gone after the same opponents.... Just I regularly hear this, 'took all the challenges, fought all the best etc, and it is I'm afraid the complete bs, you can only come up with if you haven't done any research into those opponents. Mayweather was the first risk he took, and even that you could say was above best weight, all time great, nothing to lose etc.
I'm not criticising the guy, just suggesting his apologists take off the rose tinted specs for a minute.
I'm not criticising the guy, just suggesting his apologists take off the rose tinted specs for a minute.
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Thats becoming a big cop out - you can pick apart anyones record. Plus hatton could sell out vs anyone even witter - qould have been massive in britain because they hated each other or at least percieved to. While I admire his determination he was happy to fight anyone as long as he got good money out of it. Froch is a little lkess charming and not quite a big draw but he really does fight anyone - Hattons avoiding of Witter whether financial or otherwise is a bit of a black mark. Milky as ever said it best - a well managed career. Fatherhood is settling well on him it seems. I hope you've developed a gut as big as mine
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Ha ha shah, my girth is spreading nicely mate!
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Very good read owen
I find that I admire Ricky for getting himself in shape and asking himself the question of whether he still had it. You can't out-run the clock and at 34 after 3 years out of the ring was always going to be hard to shake off the rust. I know many boxing fans and pundits have said he should've stayed retired, though comebacks can sometimes can bring out some fairytale stuff. Leonard and Foreman spring to mind. Yes they are classes apart, still it wasn't impossible. I was hmmm and ahhhhh over the comeback if it was just a one off fight. Many pundits say it was downhill from his Kostya Tszyu war. I think that the class in fighters he faced were a massive step up for Ricky. I remember watching the Mayweather fight and he could barely get near him. He was outclassed by Pacquiao. Maybe the step up came too late in his career. I don't know.
He has a Bruno/Cooper like auora that enables him to connect with the average person. Almost like a people's fighter. You will them on no matter how much the deck is stacked against them because they almost represent the common man. Boxing has produced many great champions over the decades, but sometimes it is the less talented that sometimes get the emotional support.
I find that I admire Ricky for getting himself in shape and asking himself the question of whether he still had it. You can't out-run the clock and at 34 after 3 years out of the ring was always going to be hard to shake off the rust. I know many boxing fans and pundits have said he should've stayed retired, though comebacks can sometimes can bring out some fairytale stuff. Leonard and Foreman spring to mind. Yes they are classes apart, still it wasn't impossible. I was hmmm and ahhhhh over the comeback if it was just a one off fight. Many pundits say it was downhill from his Kostya Tszyu war. I think that the class in fighters he faced were a massive step up for Ricky. I remember watching the Mayweather fight and he could barely get near him. He was outclassed by Pacquiao. Maybe the step up came too late in his career. I don't know.
He has a Bruno/Cooper like auora that enables him to connect with the average person. Almost like a people's fighter. You will them on no matter how much the deck is stacked against them because they almost represent the common man. Boxing has produced many great champions over the decades, but sometimes it is the less talented that sometimes get the emotional support.
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Re: The Curtain Draws On The 'Hitman's' Career!!
I think the mistake people make with regards to Hatton-Witter is this strange idea that Hatton always had these so-called "bigger fish to fry", or that Witter only started calling him out once Ricky had hit the big time. Neither are true, which is why it riles me up a bit when I see people saying stuff along the lines of "Hatton was fighting pound for pounders on HBO in America, Witter was stinking out town halls, Witter wasn't a name and brought nothing to the table, was a step back" etc.
Hatton most certainly didn't have bigger fish to fry between 2000 and 2004, during which the possibility of a fight between the pair was constantly mooted and would have been perfectly legitimate. I find it amazing that the very same people who were calling for DeGale-Groves, and who are now stating their demand for Quigg-Frampton, can then rubbish Witter's right to a fight with Hatton while the two of them were operating at domestic / European level.
Witter wasn't a big name, that's true. Neither was Ben Tackie. Neither was Eamon Magee. Neither were a host of other fringe world level fighters that Hatton took on during his WBU 'reign'. Hatton was a guaranteed ticket seller regardless of who he fought, and the idea that fighting Witter between 2000 and 2004 would have offered him a less impressive purse than those names is ridiculous, to say the least.
Even after they hit world title level, I'd have to ask what exactly the likes of Maussa and Lazcano offered which Witter couldn't. You'll have a hard time convincing me that Hatton would have scooped up less money and interest (be it nation-wide or world-wide) for those fights if you took those two names out and substituted them with Witter's.
I think the Hatton of, say, 2005 to 2007 deals with Witter without too much trouble, but as others have said, it'll always be just a little black spot on what was still, admittedly, a wonderful career. When you're a divisional number one and your closest rival in that weight class (as Witter was, by consensus, between late 2006 and early 2008) is a fellow Brit, someone who offers a chance of title unification and also carries a bit of history which will ensure plenty of people will get behind and take interest in the fight, and yet you're still coming out with excuses such as "He's spoken to me with disrespect over the years", "his style is boring" and "he's not a big name", then it's only natural you're going to attract a few raised eyebrows - and quite justifiably, in my opinion.
Hatton most certainly didn't have bigger fish to fry between 2000 and 2004, during which the possibility of a fight between the pair was constantly mooted and would have been perfectly legitimate. I find it amazing that the very same people who were calling for DeGale-Groves, and who are now stating their demand for Quigg-Frampton, can then rubbish Witter's right to a fight with Hatton while the two of them were operating at domestic / European level.
Witter wasn't a big name, that's true. Neither was Ben Tackie. Neither was Eamon Magee. Neither were a host of other fringe world level fighters that Hatton took on during his WBU 'reign'. Hatton was a guaranteed ticket seller regardless of who he fought, and the idea that fighting Witter between 2000 and 2004 would have offered him a less impressive purse than those names is ridiculous, to say the least.
Even after they hit world title level, I'd have to ask what exactly the likes of Maussa and Lazcano offered which Witter couldn't. You'll have a hard time convincing me that Hatton would have scooped up less money and interest (be it nation-wide or world-wide) for those fights if you took those two names out and substituted them with Witter's.
I think the Hatton of, say, 2005 to 2007 deals with Witter without too much trouble, but as others have said, it'll always be just a little black spot on what was still, admittedly, a wonderful career. When you're a divisional number one and your closest rival in that weight class (as Witter was, by consensus, between late 2006 and early 2008) is a fellow Brit, someone who offers a chance of title unification and also carries a bit of history which will ensure plenty of people will get behind and take interest in the fight, and yet you're still coming out with excuses such as "He's spoken to me with disrespect over the years", "his style is boring" and "he's not a big name", then it's only natural you're going to attract a few raised eyebrows - and quite justifiably, in my opinion.
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Re: The Curtain Draws On The 'Hitman's' Career!!
Amen to all of that Chris, my views on Witter Hatton were aired in enough length on the old 606 to be unfamiliar to nobody who spent any time on there but my argument was and remains that when a divisional number one is called out vocally and frequently by his universally accepted number two that challenge deserves better than a throwaway “I’m not giving him a payday”.
Haye was every bit as graceless, gobby and moronic in his chiding of Wlad, one does have to wonder if Wlad had dismissed Haye in such a brusque manner the fans who leapt to Ricky’s defence would have been so quick to offer Wlad such unflinching support.
Haye was every bit as graceless, gobby and moronic in his chiding of Wlad, one does have to wonder if Wlad had dismissed Haye in such a brusque manner the fans who leapt to Ricky’s defence would have been so quick to offer Wlad such unflinching support.
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Re: The Curtain Draws On The 'Hitman's' Career!!
Indeed gents.
I suspect hatton disliked him enough to genuinely not want to give him a pay day, buts lets be honest, you're a warrior, fear no man, blah blah. you'd want to shut his trap and humiliate him in the ring. do we think if junior had been all nicey nicey and shown hatton respect (not that that was ever likely!) hatton would have fought him? No? neither do I.
Am I saying hatton was scared of witter, no. or that witter would have beaten him... No, though it certainly wasn't beyond the realms of possibility, but it was a risk, and the fight would most likely have been ugly like most witter fights. hatton's career was constructed to avoid risk and look good. All other reasons are smoke and mirrors.
I suspect hatton disliked him enough to genuinely not want to give him a pay day, buts lets be honest, you're a warrior, fear no man, blah blah. you'd want to shut his trap and humiliate him in the ring. do we think if junior had been all nicey nicey and shown hatton respect (not that that was ever likely!) hatton would have fought him? No? neither do I.
Am I saying hatton was scared of witter, no. or that witter would have beaten him... No, though it certainly wasn't beyond the realms of possibility, but it was a risk, and the fight would most likely have been ugly like most witter fights. hatton's career was constructed to avoid risk and look good. All other reasons are smoke and mirrors.
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