Ulster vs Treviso

by **Notch** Tue 26 Feb 2013, 2:37 pm

First topic message reminder :

The pressure is on to get the maximum points at home for Ulster this week, with Glasgow and Leinster breathing down our necks. However, Treviso will be obstinate opponents- they hammered Munster last week, albeit their away form is seldom as impressive.

We've had another major injury blow in losing Paddy Wallace, probably for the rest of the season, but Paddy Jackson is released from Ireland camp. Probably to get some practice place kicking, which hopefully he will do.

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/news/11227.php

Extended Ulster squad v Treviso, RaboDirect PRO12, Friday 1st March, Ravenhill, 7.05pm;

Forwards (14)

Rob Herring, Nigel Brady, Niall Annett, Ricky Lutton, Declan Fitzpatrick, Callum Black, John Afoa, Neil McComb, Lewis Stevenson, Iain Henderson, Dan Tuohy, Mike McComish, Ali Birch, Robbie Diack.

Backs (11)

Ruan Pienaar, Paul Marshall, Michael Heaney, Niall O’Connor, Stuart Olding, Paddy Jackson, Michael Allen, Andrew Trimble, Chris Cochrane, Darren Cave, Ricky Andrew.

by neilthom7 Fri 01 Mar 2013, 9:11 pm

So thoughts first of all despite the crowd response the ref did well, he was harsh in first half with Treviso yellow card not harsh enough with one for a high tackle in the 2nd half so that evened out only thing he missed was the foot over the line decision but you can hardly blame him.
Ulster threw that away, poor mistakes at crucial times and poor discipline 2 yellows is not good enough from us and utimately points scored in those times cost us the match a log with the mistakes.
On the positive side Paddy Jackson played well and hopefully shut up RTE and any other stupid criticisms of him and will only get better if allowed to continue to kick. STuart Olding was superb throughout definately a big par of our future.
Well played Treviso who have improved season on season and who now are a real contender for any team in this league it is great to see and they have a real exciting backline.
3 weeks off now to get our heads together, more importantly some of our bodies together and get back at this full tilt.
SUFTUM

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 01 Mar 2013, 9:16 pm

So frustrating.

Good to see Olding play well. Trimble with another big game also.

by Golden Fri 01 Mar 2013, 9:26 pm

Zebra so close to their first win in Connacht but parks gets a drop goal to make it 20-19 with 5 minutes left. The Italians are improving all the time.

by Guest Fri 01 Mar 2013, 9:46 pm

Treviso really made a game of it. Well played by them.
Ulster mistakes cost us the game. Discipline is an issue now.
Paddy Jackson had a great game. Great to see him kicking so well, and his kicking from hand was excellent.
Olding had a great game, as did Trimble, Henderson (bar the yellow card), Afoa and Cave for the little time he was on.
Andrews had a good game, but his mistake gifted Treviso a try, as did Henderson's, which takes the gloss of it.
Disappointed, but can't take away from a good Treviso side who are steadily improving.

by **LondonTiger** Fri 01 Mar 2013, 10:21 pm

Blimey, that result came as a surprise. I was pretty sure that Treviso would be missing a higher proportion of first choice players due to 6Ns, so despite their obvious ability (beating Ospreys in HEC and damned unlucky not to beat tigers) just could not see them getting a result on a Friday night Ravenhill special.

the fight for a home semi gets more interesting.

by The Great Aukster Fri 01 Mar 2013, 10:24 pm

Ricky Andrew didn't have a bust cruciate as an excuse like Paddy last week, but why did the TMO allow the try when it was obvious to the world and his wife that Jackson was impeded?
Lewis Stevenson might be all heart but he needs a bit of head to be a successful rugby player - idiotic.
Michael Allen ultimately cost Ulster the win, so I hope that expensive lesson is well and truly learned.

by neilthom7 Fri 01 Mar 2013, 10:27 pm

Well ultimately he did Aukster but we also would not have drawn if we hadn't got 2 yellow cards or Andrew hadn't off made his mistake so all around lots of improvement needed

by Meister Fri 01 Mar 2013, 10:47 pm

Off the top of the league now. Hopefully the 3 weeks break will help focus the minds. Is there any chance we will have Williams back for the Saracens game? We are really lacking any go forward ball from the back row at the minute. Not much created in the second half at all, we seemed to give them the ball and defend tonight. Some run Glasgow are on, though all good things eventually come to an end (I hope).

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Fri 01 Mar 2013, 10:53 pm

Not for now dude !!!!!

by Meister Fri 01 Mar 2013, 11:01 pm

I know mate, one can hope though! If only the HC started now, you lot would be elected!

by **Notch** Fri 01 Mar 2013, 11:05 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Blimey, that result came as a surprise. I was pretty sure that Treviso would be missing a higher proportion of first choice players due to 6Ns, so despite their obvious ability (beating Ospreys in HEC and damned unlucky not to beat tigers) just could not see them getting a result on a Friday night Ravenhill special.

the fight for a home semi gets more interesting.

Actually no- they were close to full strength.

The reasons for this result, however, were individual errors, indiscipline and missed tackles furious

by **LondonTiger** Fri 01 Mar 2013, 11:20 pm

OK notch.

Looking at the line-ups it just felt that a sizeable number of internationals who had featured in the HC were missing -

by Morgannwg Fri 01 Mar 2013, 11:56 pm

That Kiwi open-side that scored a hat-trick must be something else. Will he be becoming eligble for ITaly in the next few years?

by UlstermaninGlasgow Sat 02 Mar 2013, 12:33 am

I don't know what to make of it all... We looked more aggressive than vs Zebre or Glasgow, but individual errors, and indiscipline cost us... Injury to Cave didn't help much either.

We're just lacking the composure we had at the start of the season and a few guys are looking jaded, while some of the younger guys, who have been excellent all season have made some errors lately. We haven't had much rub of the green either...

3 weeks off now, and pray the Irish contingent come back with no new injuries... And Johann, Nick etc get their recovery shortened so they're back for Leinster!

by LeinsterFan4life Sat 02 Mar 2013, 12:47 am

Notch, they weren't close to full strength. They had 10 players playing against Wales, so they would have to be missing at least 10 internationals.

by **Notch** Sat 02 Mar 2013, 1:11 am

They had a few good players missing like Botes, Burton, Benvenuti and Vosawai but they had a lot of key men back. Like us, a number of their key players are overseas guys. They had a very strong team out there. They have good depth.

I don't want this to be about that, though, because whilst Treviso were excellent who they had missing or available isn't why we failed tonight. The answer to that is within ourselves. We handed them chances to get back into it and didn't take chances to kill them off.

by **Notch** Sat 02 Mar 2013, 1:21 am

It has to be said, in the reverse fixture- Treviso missed a penalty to win it with the last kick of the game. This time, they missed a conversion to win it.

The performances of some individuals like Jackson (surely nailed on for France now), Afoa, Olding, Trimble and Henderson deserved better. All four tries ultimately came down to either indiscipline or individual errors and it's simply not good enough.

How we even let them in that game at all is baffling- two tries conceded during yellow cards, one try conceded after a charge down and a try conceded after not claiming a restart on 79 minutes. Very, very, very bitter pill to swallow.

by overlordofthewest Sat 02 Mar 2013, 9:16 am

I didn't see this one coming.
Ulster looked pretty unstoppable a few weeks ago, now they're off the top and will be fighting for a home playoff. A good result for the league (Im sure Ulster fans will disagree though) and its all to play for!

by SecretFly Sat 02 Mar 2013, 11:21 am

overlordofthewest wrote:I didn't see this one coming.
Ulster looked pretty unstoppable a few weeks ago, now they're off the top and will be fighting for a home playoff. A good result for the league (Im sure Ulster fans will disagree though) and its all to play for!

Invincibility isn't what it used to be in the old days Wink

by Taffineastbourne Sat 02 Mar 2013, 12:27 pm

SecretFly wrote:
overlordofthewest wrote:I didn't see this one coming.
Ulster looked pretty unstoppable a few weeks ago, now they're off the top and will be fighting for a home playoff. A good result for the league (Im sure Ulster fans will disagree though) and its all to play for!

Invincibility isn't what it used to be in the old days

Neither is nostalgia! Smile

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Sat 02 Mar 2013, 4:18 pm

Any link for highlights or preferably the whole game guys?

by JmD Sat 02 Mar 2013, 5:03 pm

neilthom7 wrote:So thoughts first of all despite the crowd response the ref did well, he was harsh in first half with Treviso yellow card not harsh enough with one for a high tackle in the 2nd half so that evened out only thing he missed was the foot over the line decision but you can hardly blame him.

From being in the terrace I actually think the crowd response was directed towards the touch judge and not the referee. Firstly there was his involvement in the Stevenson yellow card (perceived involvement rather, I haven't watched it back), then there was the mistake with Cochrane's foot when it was already in touch when he caught the ball, and then the exact opposite when Brendan Williams caught the ball in play then took it into touch for which he awarded the lineout to Treviso.

by neilthom7 Sat 02 Mar 2013, 5:25 pm

Well to be fair JmD Cochraines foot was only just and I mean just in touch as he had just landed when the ball was caught so I can't blame him for that, the other one the Treviso play was in the air when he caaught the ball and landed out so therefore he was right on that.

by neilthom7 Sat 02 Mar 2013, 5:30 pm

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:Any link for highlights or preferably the whole game guys?

If you can get on BBC Iplayer it will be on there
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01r1tfc/Ulster_Rugby_Live_201213_Ulster_v_Treviso/

if not there will probably be highlights on youtube on Monday sometime if I see a link I will let you know mate

by **Notch** Sat 02 Mar 2013, 5:38 pm

It's well worth watching for a neutral. It was a really good game.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Sat 02 Mar 2013, 7:18 pm

Thanks gents

by **Notch** Sat 02 Mar 2013, 9:58 pm

Pete, I posted this on my other thread but thought you might find it interesting;

The upside of these past four weeks is the emergence of Stuart Olding. Whilst our 21-year old 10 most likely secured his Ireland place with an assured display, the 19-year old outside him is reckoned to be as big a talent and will provide competition at 10 to Jackson for a generation

Jackson is a classic 10; more of a link man and game controller. He does play on the gainline and interest defences, but his game is more about putting others into space whereas Olding is more of an attacking threat himself, a very good linebreaker. Jackson is more like Humphreys Snr. in style whereas Olding is like the younger Humphreys. He might end up at 12 or 15 with Paddy Jackson at 10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1hlTNMJFgA

He's looked very impressive for 19 years old. He has the right stuff. For years I've been saying Paddy Wallace is a key man for Ulster in the backs; without him we've lacked creativity and vision in the midfield. But now, with Jackson (21), Olding (19) and Marshall (21) I think Paddy Snr. is nearly surplus to requirements. With Paddy Jnr. and Luke Marshall getting test match experience that'll soon be out 10-12 axis full time with the even younger Stuart Olding nipping at their heels.

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