Welsh Regions Signings/Departures/Rumours 2013 (Scarlets set to offer James "cub" Davies a contract)

by pioden gorllewin Fri 08 Mar 2013, 10:12 am

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Ospreys

In

Tito Tebaldi (Zebra) – Confirmed
Rhodri Williams (Scarlets) - Rumour

Out

Kahn Fotuali'i (Northampton Saints) - Confirmed
Jonathan Thomas (Bayonne/Worcester Warriors) - Rumour
Jonathan Humphries (Scotland Forwards Coach) - Confirmed
Campbell Johnstone ( Russian Club) - Confirmed
George Stowers (Tasman) - Confirmed

Scarlets

In

Steven Shingler ( London Irish) –Confirmed
Ed Jackson (London Welsh ) – Rumour
Andrew Coombes (Dragons) - Rumour
Gareth Delve ( Melbourne Rebels) - Rumour
Serge Lilo (Wellington Lions) - Rumour
John Barclay (Glasgow Warriors) - Confirmed
Nick Cummins (Western Force) - Rumour
Farid Sid (Perpignan)- Rumour
Opeti Fonua (Agen) - Rumour
Brett Deacon (Leicester Tigers) - Rumour
Regan King (Backs/Skills Coach) - Rumour
Genesis Mamea (Wellington) - Rumour
Darran Harris (Pontypridd) - Rumour

Out

Tomas vallejos cinalli (Pampas XV) – Confirmed
Gareth Maule (London Irish/Munster) – Rumour
Adam Warren (Cardiff)- Rumour
Scott Williams (Cardiff) – Rumour
Sione Timani (Agen) – Confirmed
Rhodri Williams (Ospreys) – Rumour
Tavis Knoyle ( Gloucester) – Confirmed
Gareth Davies ( Cardiff) –Rumour
Owen Williams (Leicester Tigers) – Confirmed
Jonathan Edwards (Released) – Confirmed
Andy Fenby (London Irish) - confirmed
Morgan Stoddart (Retired) - Confirmed
Dan Newton (London Scottish) - Confirmed
Kieron Murphy (London Welsh/Edingburgh) - Rumour
George North ( Northampton Saints)- Confirmed
Rheon James (Cornish Pirates)- Confirmed
Richie Pugh (Released) -Confirmed
Rhys Jones (Released) - RumourConfirmed
Dale Ford (Released/Bristol) - Confirmed
Samson Lee (Glouceste) - Rumour
Peter Edwards (Released) -Confirmed
Craig Hawkins (Released) - Confirmed
Craig Price (Leicester Tigers) -Rumour

Dragons

In

Ross Wardle (Bedwas) - Confirmed
Richie Rees (Edinburgh) - Confirmed
Luciano Orquera (Zebre) -Rumour
Martin Muller (Cheetahs) - Confirmed
Juan Gomez (Pampas XV) - Rumour
Netani Talei (Edingburgh) - Confirmed
Francisco Chaparro (Stade Francias) - Confirmed
Kris Burton (Treviso) - Confirmed
Rhys Thomas (Wasps)- Confirmed
Malakai Fekitoa (Auckland) - Rumour

Out

Andrew Coombes (Scarlets) – Rumour
Dan Lydiate (Racing Metro)- Confirmed
Steve Jones (Retired)- Confirmed
Tom Brown (Released/Jersey) - Confirmed
Tondi Chavhanga (Released) - Confirmed
Iestyn Thomas (Retired) - Confirmed
Josh Tyler (Released) - Confirmed
Hywel Stoddart (Released) - Confirmed

Blues

In

Filo Paulo (North Harbour) - confirmed
Matthew Rees (Scarlets) Confirmed
Liam Davies (confirmed - until end of season)
Gethin Jenkins (Toulon) - Confirmed
Rhys Gill (Saracens) - rumoured
Adam Warren (Scarlets) - rumoured
Scott Williams –(Scarlets) – rumoured
Tavis Knoyle (Scarlets) – rumour
Gareth Davies ( Scarlets) - rumour

Out

Jamie Roberts (Racing Metro) - not confirmed
Tom James (Exeter Chiefs) -confirmed
Richard Mustoe (retirement) -confirmed
Fau Filise - (retirement) rumour
Ceri Sweeney (Exeter Chiefs) - Confirmed
Leigh Halfpenny (Clermont) - Rumour
Michael Paterson (Sale Sharks) - Confirmed
Campese Ma'afu (Nottingham) -Confirmed

by wales606 Thu 18 Apr 2013, 9:33 pm

Barclay would be a fantastic signing for the Scarlets, they could really use an experienced class no7

by Stone Motif Thu 18 Apr 2013, 11:00 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:
I was kinda considering Prydie's kicking to goal mind, Steff doesn't have to be dead eye with Prydie around.

Why does he have these matches when he couldn't kick his shoes off then? Shats and giggles? Honestly people see our kickers have one good match with the boot and think they are the next Neil Jenkins. Stef must have about one good game with the boot in every four. Pridie less of a liability but I bet his stats are skewed by a few excellent kicking displays rather than consistent percentages. It's no good converting all the tries v Zebre if you go missing in the tight games.

by mikey_philVIII Fri 19 Apr 2013, 12:28 am

You can't say he's gone missing in many games though, because he doesn't kick as often as he should. And Dumber Edwards rotates a lot with Robling and Evans playing a lot of games at 10.

by Stone Motif Fri 19 Apr 2013, 7:23 am

To be fair Dan Evans and Robling have been better options at times, neither of them are as prone to panic as Stef

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 19 Apr 2013, 8:06 am

Stone Motif's right, Tom Prydie can kick goals from everywhere or he can miss sitters. And in any case, he's been in and out of the side.

by Guest Fri 19 Apr 2013, 8:50 am

According to this he's got an 84% strike rate this season behind Madigan and Biggar. Missed 4/17 conversions and 4/35 penalties. Obviously if they're match winning conversions and penalties then it means more and costs us more, as previous posters have mentioned. Still not a strike rate to be sniffed at. I think we'd all take Ruan Pienaar even though his strike rate is worse.

http://www.statbunker.com/rugby/btb/index.php?PL=competition&CompID=413&statType=ksr

by Guest Fri 19 Apr 2013, 8:51 am

Sorry, scrap my previous point about Piennar! He's 1 % better, but the table is ordered by total success rather than %. My mistake.

by thebluesmancometh Fri 19 Apr 2013, 9:06 am

I understand the criticism of Stef, but isn't it right to say he has only looked nervous and shaky a very small number of times, I can think of 2 games, and only one this half of the season.

But what do you expect from a guy who's constantly in and out of the side, is dropped from kicking duties etc...

Stef has the potential to be a very good club player (i'm unsure as to wether he'll make the step up to int level) but he needs backing, he needs confidence, and that comes from trust put in him from the coaching team.

RE Prydie, his kicking at goal is top notch, Ive only ever seen him miss a very minute number of 'sitters' and he is still a very young guy, 1/2p wasn't kicking at goal at 19/20/21 for club, he was let to nurture on the wing for a few seasons, Prydie hasn't that luxury, he was signed for results asap, that as far as I can tell is the only real difference.

But as I said potential is wht the Dragons have in abundance, especially the backline, players like Evans, ones, Robling, Evans, Hughes, Dixon, Riley, Prydie all have the potential to be very good players, thats why any criticism I have of the new signings ie Rees and Burton, are because I think that backline could ust play, with a platform they could mould into a very potent weapon for the Dragons, without a platform performances will be patchy, and players will be chopped and changed, all good sides have 2 things in common, consistency of selection and unity, this Dragons backline has the potential to have both, but without Edwards it seems!!

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 19 Apr 2013, 9:12 am

With all due respect, Bluesman, just because you've only seen Tom Prydie miss 'a very minute number of sitters' doesn't mean he hasn't missed more. That would be like me saying Newport didn't beat the All Blacks because I didn't see it happen.

by Stone Motif Fri 19 Apr 2013, 11:57 am

thebluesmancometh wrote:I understand the criticism of Stef, but isn't it right to say he has only looked nervous and shaky a very small number of times, I can think of 2 games, and only one this half of the season.

But what do you expect from a guy who's constantly in and out of the side, is dropped from kicking duties etc...

Stef has the potential to be a very good club player (i'm unsure as to wether he'll make the step up to int level) but he needs backing, he needs confidence, and that comes from trust put in him from the coaching team.

RE Prydie, his kicking at goal is top notch, Ive only ever seen him miss a very minute number of 'sitters' and he is still a very young guy, 1/2p wasn't kicking at goal at 19/20/21 for club, he was let to nurture on the wing for a few seasons, Prydie hasn't that luxury, he was signed for results asap, that as far as I can tell is the only real difference.

But as I said potential is wht the Dragons have in abundance, especially the backline, players like Evans, ones, Robling, Evans, Hughes, Dixon, Riley, Prydie all have the potential to be very good players, thats why any criticism I have of the new signings ie Rees and Burton, are because I think that backline could ust play, with a platform they could mould into a very potent weapon for the Dragons, without a platform performances will be patchy, and players will be chopped and changed, all good sides have 2 things in common, consistency of selection and unity, this Dragons backline has the potential to have both, but without Edwards it seems!!

by Stone Motif Fri 19 Apr 2013, 11:59 am

thebluesmancometh wrote:I understand the criticism of Stef, but isn't it right to say he has only looked nervous and shaky a very small number of times, I can think of 2 games, and only one this half of the season.

But what do you expect from a guy who's constantly in and out of the side, is dropped from kicking duties etc...

Stef has the potential to be a very good club player (i'm unsure as to wether he'll make the step up to int level) but he needs backing, he needs confidence, and that comes from trust put in him from the coaching team.

RE Prydie, his kicking at goal is top notch, Ive only ever seen him miss a very minute number of 'sitters' and he is still a very young guy, 1/2p wasn't kicking at goal at 19/20/21 for club, he was let to nurture on the wing for a few seasons, Prydie hasn't that luxury, he was signed for results asap, that as far as I can tell is the only real difference.

But as I said potential is wht the Dragons have in abundance, especially the backline, players like Evans, ones, Robling, Evans, Hughes, Dixon, Riley, Prydie all have the potential to be very good players, thats why any criticism I have of the new signings ie Rees and Burton, are because I think that backline could ust play, with a platform they could mould into a very potent weapon for the Dragons, without a platform performances will be patchy, and players will be chopped and changed, all good sides have 2 things in common, consistency of selection and unity, this Dragons backline has the potential to have both, but without Edwards it seems!!

Ye gods Blues. Where has all that 'potential' got us this season? Every one of those players mentioned has had stinkers I can think of. You can't just blame the pack for some of the poor skills and brainfarts they've shown this year as a unit. You can't just blame the coaches either, being a good player is about taking responsibility for your own performance. As a coach I'd also expect you to know the value of competition within the squad?

by thebluesmancometh Fri 19 Apr 2013, 1:20 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:I understand the criticism of Stef, but isn't it right to say he has only looked nervous and shaky a very small number of times, I can think of 2 games, and only one this half of the season.

But what do you expect from a guy who's constantly in and out of the side, is dropped from kicking duties etc...

Stef has the potential to be a very good club player (i'm unsure as to wether he'll make the step up to int level) but he needs backing, he needs confidence, and that comes from trust put in him from the coaching team.

RE Prydie, his kicking at goal is top notch, Ive only ever seen him miss a very minute number of 'sitters' and he is still a very young guy, 1/2p wasn't kicking at goal at 19/20/21 for club, he was let to nurture on the wing for a few seasons, Prydie hasn't that luxury, he was signed for results asap, that as far as I can tell is the only real difference.

But as I said potential is wht the Dragons have in abundance, especially the backline, players like Evans, ones, Robling, Evans, Hughes, Dixon, Riley, Prydie all have the potential to be very good players, thats why any criticism I have of the new signings ie Rees and Burton, are because I think that backline could ust play, with a platform they could mould into a very potent weapon for the Dragons, without a platform performances will be patchy, and players will be chopped and changed, all good sides have 2 things in common, consistency of selection and unity, this Dragons backline has the potential to have both, but without Edwards it seems!!
Ye gods Blues. Where has all that 'potential' got us this season? Every one of those players mentioned has had stinkers I can think of. You can't just blame the pack for some of the poor skills and brainfarts they've shown this year as a unit. You can't just blame the coaches either, being a good player is about taking responsibility for your own performance. As a coach I'd also expect you to know the value of competition within the squad?

I get that, players like Amos, Smith and co are always there pushing on too, but that entire backline is very young, if you think Burton is going to not have the odd stinker when constantly on backfoot ball your deluded, infact I'd go as far to say that you could put Carter and Dagg behind that Dragons tight 5 and they'd have the odd stinker too!!

A backline can only do what it has the platform to, if they are spending all season on the back foot of course they are going to get antsy when they finally see some decent ball, we've seen international players stifled and make the simplest mistakes... Look at Tuilagi's catch v Wales, look at RP's pass v Aus last year, they saw no ball, were dominated up front and when they saw a snippet of good ball it was all panic stations, and theyre 2 quality Int players!!!

It's ust for me, every penny not spent on the tight 5 is a waste of money, Burton, Rees, Chavanga and Tuilagi are all taking wages the Dragons couldve signed 2 quality tight 5 players, and lost nothing in the backline!!!

by Cardiff Dave Fri 19 Apr 2013, 3:46 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:I understand the criticism of Stef, but isn't it right to say he has only looked nervous and shaky a very small number of times, I can think of 2 games, and only one this half of the season.

Cardiff legend!

by Jhamer25 Fri 19 Apr 2013, 7:28 pm

it's been mentioned on here for a while, but looks like western fail are now running with the story:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/scarlets-close-signing-scotland-star-2769451

he Scarlets are believed to be close to signing Scottish international John Barclay from Glasgow.

Barclay, 26, has been capped 41 times for Scotland and been with Glasgow all of his professional career.

But he is thought to be ready to make the move to west Wales – and his dynamism on the openside flank would solve what was something of a problem area for the Scarlets last season.

Simon Easterby has Jonathan Edwards, Aaron Shingler, Josh Turnbull and Rob McCusker as options in the back row, but Barclay, as a specialist No.7, would add a new dimension.

With the region about to be boosted by the transfer fee paid to them from Northampton Saints for George North, reportedly in the region of £200,000, there is some extra cash available for squad strengthening.

Barclay formed one third of a Scotland back row, along with John Beattie and Kelly Brown, that became known as the killer bees back in 2010.

He has been a Glasgow player since turning professional in 2005

This would be one of the best signings we have ever made, thought it was jsut a rumour before but it seems more like relaity know.
God if he did come to use it would be truly amazing. if we sign him on 2 2 to 3 year deal he would help bring through Dan thomas. it woul be a great signing.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Apr 2013, 12:13 am

Cardiff Dave wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:I understand the criticism of Stef, but isn't it right to say he has only looked nervous and shaky a very small number of times, I can think of 2 games, and only one this half of the season.

Cardiff legend!

He's never still knocking about is he?? Havn't spent enough time in the city in recent years to notice... 'don't touch him' 'awww but I have to shake his...errr whats that?'

by pioden gorllewin Sat 20 Apr 2013, 10:44 am

Blues battling to keep hold of Michael Paterson

The Cardiff Blues are hopeful of retaining versatile forward Michael Paterson amid interest from Aviva Premiership side Sale Sharks.

Paterson's contract is up at the end of the season and the Blues have tabled a three-year deal to keep the Kiwi in Wales with him qualifying for residency over the summer. Sale are keen to recruit the Blues' reigning Player of the Year but Blues CEO Richard Holland is optimistic he will decide to stay in Cardiff.

"We are negotiating with Michael and have put an offer on the table which we feel is competitive," Holland told Wales Online. "But we know there are other interested parties.We are now waiting for his decision. He’s an important part of our team and we want to keep him.

"He qualifies for Wales this summer and if he stays there’s every chances he can fill a position there. If he leaves for England he can probably kick that into touch. He’s definitely good enough to play for Wales in my view."

by pioden gorllewin Sat 20 Apr 2013, 10:46 am

I rate Paterson and would be a huge loss if he left the Blues. I'd get him on that plane to Japan. Agree with Holland he has something to offer international rugby. If memory serves me right he almost got capped by the all blacks.

by wales606 Sat 20 Apr 2013, 12:53 pm

Yep he would be a huge loss for the Blues, he was due to be in the All Blacks squad before he decided to leave.

He hasn't had as much of an impact this year (mainly because he was out injured for a long time) but was player of the year last season by some distance and should have been the Blues captain this season over Pretorious (but injury ruled him out)

I would like to see him stay, and perhaps offered the captaincy next season along with Josh Navidi

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Apr 2013, 3:10 pm

Navidi is player of the season IMHO, but is a bot young for captain duties...

Paterson Ive seen nothing of note from this season, even when he's played he's looked average, despite him looking great in parts last season I still don't see the hype, maybe a case of absence making the skillset stronger?

That said hope he stays, Blues will be light on muscle in the backrow without!!

by wales606 Sat 20 Apr 2013, 3:50 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:Navidi is player of the season IMHO, but is a bot young for captain duties...

Paterson Ive seen nothing of note from this season, even when he's played he's looked average, despite him looking great in parts last season I still don't see the hype, maybe a case of absence making the skillset stronger?

That said hope he stays, Blues will be light on muscle in the backrow without!!

He was the ONLY player who bested his opposite number in the shamble in Leinster and the only one who came out of that game with greater respect.

He was phenomenal last season and his work rate at 6 was excellent (as was Pretorious the year before mind)

Navidi is my player of the year this season (again a 6!), and since he has been VC along with Evans while Pretorious is out I would make him captain.

The captaincy will be between Navidi, Pretorious, Evans ( Rolling Eyes

) and maybe Paterson - Of those, I would only want Navidi or Paterson to get it.

I suggest Paterson is club captain buy Navidi is VC - whichever gets chosen at 6 is captain, unless Paterson is needed in the second row.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Apr 2013, 4:53 pm

He had a purple patch, but he wasn't in that kind of form all last season, he had a few off games, especially second half of the season when we imploded, he wasnt immense all season though, not by a long shot!!

TBH I would struggle to pick a captain right now, there are no standout performers, genuine leaders, or experienced players who will be around enough...

Warbs will be away ost of the season, Pretorious has failed, Paterson has rarely played in a season and a half, Navidi has just had his breakthrough season... Evans is really the only option.

by wales606 Sat 20 Apr 2013, 5:23 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:Evans is really the only option.

At least pick a player who should be starting!

If he are not picking international players as captain (Rees, Gethin, Warburton) then we don't have many options past Navidi and Paterson if you ask me.

We don't have a settled lock partnership, B.Davies is the only definite and he will be away with Wales

Front row will all be away with Wales

Backrow - Paterson, Pretorious, Copeland and Navidi are all options - but only Copeland and Navidi are starting players at the moment.

Patchell could captain from 10? But is inexperienced as a captain

Evans is experienced in the pro12 but just isn't good enough for me, Cory Allen and Owen Williams will be challenging for his place.

And we don't exactly have an outstanding non-international experienced winger...

by thebluesmancometh Sat 20 Apr 2013, 5:36 pm

Exactly, the only player who is experienced enough, and is around enough to actually be able to do it is Evans, Allens 7's form has been excellent, but he hasn't had a shot at the Blues yet, if this is his breakthrough season he'll need nurturing, same with Williams (who I'm not still convinced is a centre yet) either way there are a few names on every team sheet...

If you select a strongest possible XV, then a non int inc XV there are very few options left, If Paterson comes good Navidi won't start, if Navidi keeps his form up Paterson isn't in. Similar issues with Copeland and Pretorious...

Evans is really the only option then. Not saying I like him he's awfull, but he's all we have.

I personally wouldn't hesitate to make Warbs captain, followed by Evans as vice

by wales606 Sat 20 Apr 2013, 6:19 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:Exactly, the only player who is experienced enough, and is around enough to actually be able to do it is Evans, Allens 7's form has been excellent, but he hasn't had a shot at the Blues yet, if this is his breakthrough season he'll need nurturing, same with Williams (who I'm not still convinced is a centre yet) either way there are a few names on every team sheet...

Owen Williams is a far better 13 than winger, luckily Phil Davies has stated that he is only playing on the wing due to injurys/lack of options. If he gets gametime at 13 he will displace Evans and Allen has a very bright future and could easily breakthrough next season.

by Guest Sun 21 Apr 2013, 7:47 am

According to Dobbin Davey (I don't follow him on twitter, but saw it retweeted) Toby Faletau's dad has advised him to sign for the Dragons two more years. Would be delighted if that was true and it would fully vindicate the board not listening to offers for him. Would ease the pressure on Ieuan Jones (as will Talei's arrival) and would encourage players to sign (possibly) if they see some quality in our squad.

Also, to be fair to him, he doesn't strictly need to leave the Dragons, given how he is able to perform at a high level even if we struggle, so I can see why he would consider staying.

by pioden gorllewin Sun 21 Apr 2013, 9:50 am

be great boost to the dragons if faletau did stay at the dragons.

heard that scarlets openside jonathan edwards is seeking a new club after not getting his contract renewed.

by wales606 Sun 21 Apr 2013, 10:45 am

pioden gorllewin wrote:

heard that scarlets openside jonathan edwards is seeking a new club after not getting his contract renewed.

He is the only proper 7 they have!

I guess this adds to the Barclay rumours, and probably means Turnball will get a new contract.

by Newsilure Sun 21 Apr 2013, 12:04 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:Exactly, the only player who is experienced enough, and is around enough to actually be able to do it is Evans, Allens 7's form has been excellent, but he hasn't had a shot at the Blues yet, if this is his breakthrough season he'll need nurturing, same with Williams (who I'm not still convinced is a centre yet) either way there are a few names on every team sheet...

If you select a strongest possible XV, then a non int inc XV there are very few options left, If Paterson comes good Navidi won't start, if Navidi keeps his form up Paterson isn't in. Similar issues with Copeland and Pretorious...

Evans is really the only option then. Not saying I like him he's awfull, but he's all we have.

I personally wouldn't hesitate to make Warbs captain, followed by Evans as vice

I don't think Evans can garuntee his place next season, if Williams and Allen blossom next year in the way Patchell has this year then in the few games when Cuthbert and Halfpenny are available Evans may well be on the bench. Patterson would probably make a good captain if he is still with us but why not give it to Rees, he is a proven leader who all the players will respect, none of the other hookers in our squad will take his position from him, he always gives his all on the pitch and will lead by example... and I don't think Wales will be calling for him much more accept to cover injuries

by pioden gorllewin Sun 21 Apr 2013, 12:50 pm

Newsilure wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:Exactly, the only player who is experienced enough, and is around enough to actually be able to do it is Evans, Allens 7's form has been excellent, but he hasn't had a shot at the Blues yet, if this is his breakthrough season he'll need nurturing, same with Williams (who I'm not still convinced is a centre yet) either way there are a few names on every team sheet...

If you select a strongest possible XV, then a non int inc XV there are very few options left, If Paterson comes good Navidi won't start, if Navidi keeps his form up Paterson isn't in. Similar issues with Copeland and Pretorious...

Evans is really the only option then. Not saying I like him he's awfull, but he's all we have.

I personally wouldn't hesitate to make Warbs captain, followed by Evans as vice

I don't think Evans can garuntee his place next season, if Williams and Allen blossom next year in the way Patchell has this year then in the few games when Cuthbert and Halfpenny are available Evans may well be on the bench. Patterson would probably make a good captain if he is still with us but why not give it to Rees, he is a proven leader who all the players will respect, none of the other hookers in our squad will take his position from him, he always gives his all on the pitch and will lead by example... and I don't think Wales will be calling for him much more accept to cover injuries

One position the Blues need to recruit in is at 9. Thought Alex Walker and Lewis Jones were poor yesterday, not sure if they are rabo level. Could do with a Tavis Knoyle type to put pressure on Lloyd Williams. Roberts is leaving Saints, but I think that's to Bath......but a 9 of his quality would do.

by pioden gorllewin Sun 21 Apr 2013, 12:52 pm

Risca Rev wrote:According to Dobbin Davey (I don't follow him on twitter, but saw it retweeted) Toby Faletau's dad has advised him to sign for the Dragons two more years. Would be delighted if that was true and it would fully vindicate the board not listening to offers for him. Would ease the pressure on Ieuan Jones (as will Talei's arrival) and would encourage players to sign (possibly) if they see some quality in our squad.

Also, to be fair to him, he doesn't strictly need to leave the Dragons, given how he is able to perform at a high level even if we struggle, so I can see why he would consider staying.

Another Davey tweet:

"The Dragons have been frustrated in their attempt to sign a Maori centre from Auckland, but the search continues"

Does that mean Tuilagi is leaving?

by wales606 Sun 21 Apr 2013, 12:55 pm

Newsilure wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:Exactly, the only player who is experienced enough, and is around enough to actually be able to do it is Evans, Allens 7's form has been excellent, but he hasn't had a shot at the Blues yet, if this is his breakthrough season he'll need nurturing, same with Williams (who I'm not still convinced is a centre yet) either way there are a few names on every team sheet...

If you select a strongest possible XV, then a non int inc XV there are very few options left, If Paterson comes good Navidi won't start, if Navidi keeps his form up Paterson isn't in. Similar issues with Copeland and Pretorious...

Evans is really the only option then. Not saying I like him he's awfull, but he's all we have.

I personally wouldn't hesitate to make Warbs captain, followed by Evans as vice

I don't think Evans can garuntee his place next season, if Williams and Allen blossom next year in the way Patchell has this year then in the few games when Cuthbert and Halfpenny are available Evans may well be on the bench. Patterson would probably make a good captain if he is still with us but why not give it to Rees, he is a proven leader who all the players will respect, none of the other hookers in our squad will take his position from him, he always gives his all on the pitch and will lead by example... and I don't think Wales will be calling for him much more accept to cover injuries

Gatland tends to call up 3 hookers, and at the moment, there is no one to take Rees' place - the Blues don't tend to make internationals captain

by mikey_philVIII Sun 21 Apr 2013, 1:24 pm

Who could the Auckland centre be?

by Jhamer25 Sun 21 Apr 2013, 8:33 pm

Who auckland Blues or Auckland as in the team in the ITM Cup. I supose it will be more likely as in the team in the Auckland team in ITM Cup. If it is a have looked at them and from last seasons team they had these centres.
Dave thomas
Malakai Fekitoa
Hadleigh Parkes /(but now he plays for the kings)

The other options would be an auckland blues player which i think is highly unlikely
Francis Saili
Jackson willison
Rene ranger
Makai fekitoa
So we will have to wait and see but it's more likely to be a ITM auckland player. But we can definitly cross of rene ranger I think.

by Coleman Sun 21 Apr 2013, 9:53 pm

Rene Ranger to the Dragons would be amazing.

by Impossible Standards Mon 22 Apr 2013, 2:01 pm

Malakai Fekitoa apparently!

by international197 Mon 22 Apr 2013, 2:40 pm

I feel annoyed that the Dragons are looking for an overseas centre given that they already have Jack Dixon, Ashley Smith, Ross Wardle, Adam Hughes and Lewis Robling as centre options. How many overseas signings are the Dragons planning to do before the start of the season? I think they've already signed way too many*, and I don't want them looking for more.

*http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22081633

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 22 Apr 2013, 2:43 pm

I have to say, Lewis Robling was a revelation at 12 against Munster, really impressive.

by Stone Motif Mon 22 Apr 2013, 2:50 pm

international197 wrote:I feel annoyed that the Dragons are looking for an overseas centre given that they already have Jack Dixon, Ashley Smith, Ross Wardle, Adam Hughes and Lewis Robling as centre options. How many overseas signings are the Dragons planning to do before the start of the season? I think they've already signed way too many*, and I don't want them looking for more.

*http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22081633

Sigh. Not this rubbish again. How may are we planning to sign? As many as we need within the realms of the participation agreement. HTH.

by Allty Mon 22 Apr 2013, 2:53 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
international197 wrote:I feel annoyed that the Dragons are looking for an overseas centre given that they already have Jack Dixon, Ashley Smith, Ross Wardle, Adam Hughes and Lewis Robling as centre options. How many overseas signings are the Dragons planning to do before the start of the season? I think they've already signed way too many*, and I don't want them looking for more.

*http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22081633
Sigh. Not this rubbish again. How may are we planning to sign? As many as we need within the realms of the participation agreement. HTH.

Its not rubbish its a sad fact.

by Stone Motif Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:00 pm

Allty wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
international197 wrote:I feel annoyed that the Dragons are looking for an overseas centre given that they already have Jack Dixon, Ashley Smith, Ross Wardle, Adam Hughes and Lewis Robling as centre options. How many overseas signings are the Dragons planning to do before the start of the season? I think they've already signed way too many*, and I don't want them looking for more.

*http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22081633
Sigh. Not this rubbish again. How may are we planning to sign? As many as we need within the realms of the participation agreement. HTH.

Its not rubbish its a sad fact.

You wouldn't know what a fact was if it hit you over the head with a breeze block. I can give you five or six reasons why it's rubbish, I challenge you to give me one good reason why it is. Take your time.

by Allty Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:21 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
Allty wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
international197 wrote:I feel annoyed that the Dragons are looking for an overseas centre given that they already have Jack Dixon, Ashley Smith, Ross Wardle, Adam Hughes and Lewis Robling as centre options. How many overseas signings are the Dragons planning to do before the start of the season? I think they've already signed way too many*, and I don't want them looking for more.

*http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/22081633
Sigh. Not this rubbish again. How may are we planning to sign? As many as we need within the realms of the participation agreement. HTH.

Its not rubbish its a sad fact.

You wouldn't know what a fact was if it hit you over the head with a breeze block. I can give you five or six reasons why it's rubbish, I challenge you to give me one good reason why it is. Take your time.

The regional side continues to fail Gwent youth.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:31 pm

If that's true, it's equally true that the Scarlets continue to fail Carmarthenshire / Pembrokeshire youth, that the Ospreys continue to fail the youth of their region, and so on.

by Allty Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:33 pm

Its true.

by Stone Motif Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:43 pm

Allty wrote:Its true.

It's tripe. How exactly are they being failed you half-wit? By not being flogged into the ground or by getting to play alongside more experienced players in a more competitive team?

by LordDowlais Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:48 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
Allty wrote:Its true.

It's tripe. How exactly are they being failed you half-wit? By not being flogged into the ground or by getting to play alongside more experienced players in a more competitive team?

Stone, why do you need to be as condescending like this, Alty, if his profile is correct is a man of 70 yrs of age, a little more respect is needed and calling people half wit's is not the way to speak to people. Alty is indeed entitled to his opinion just as you are, but you are so blinkered in your support for the Dragons you only see one side of anything, your own, for the love of god show some manners and do not talk to people in the way you do, Alty has more life experience than the both of us put together, so lets show a little more respect. thumbsup

by Stone Motif Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:53 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Allty wrote:Its true.

It's tripe. How exactly are they being failed you half-wit? By not being flogged into the ground or by getting to play alongside more experienced players in a more competitive team?

Stone, why do you need to be as condescending like this, Alty, if his profile is correct is a man of 70 yrs of age, a little more respect is needed and calling people half wit's is not the way to speak to people. Alty is indeed entitled to his opinion just as you are, but you are so blinkered in your support for the Dragons you only see one side of anything, your own, for the love of god show some manners and do not talk to people in the way you do, Alty has more life experience than the both of us put together, so lets show a little more respect.

Wtf has age got to do with it? Right is right and wrong is wrong. You pretty much write tripe on the issue too, and do the same cliched headless chicken act when presented with facts. Age doesn't come into it. Just because he developed a recent interest in rugby so what? Facts Lord D, give me facts why these young players are being failed, otherwise I will keep the blinkers as you call them on and stay here in reality thanks. Why are these players being failed?

by LordDowlais Mon 22 Apr 2013, 3:54 pm

Stone, you come across as a very unlikeable person.

by Stone Motif Mon 22 Apr 2013, 4:05 pm

Right back at you Lord D, only thing worse than ignorance is wilful ignorance

by LordDowlais Mon 22 Apr 2013, 4:14 pm

Stone Motif wrote:Right back at you Lord D, only thing worse than ignorance is wilful ignorance

What am I ignorant about then Stone ? Or can it be said that the Dragons are being ignorant of the NWQ player limit that the regions agreed to. How many NWQ players are there at the Dragons these days ? With the few you are signing for next season and with the half a dozen you have now, you could field a first 15 with almost no Welsh players.

by Guest Mon 22 Apr 2013, 4:18 pm

Not being ageist or anything either, but I am intrigued as to who these wronged Gwent players are.

Anybody with an ounce of knowledge with matters concerning the Dragons will know we needed to sign players in certain positions. Twelve is one of them. Whilst it sounds like Robling and Wardle had a good game the other night, we can't rely on them to do it constantly, as it is a lot of pressure to put on young shoulders. Other players like Smith and Hughes have been carryng injuries a lot of times this season and I don't see what is wrong with bringing in competition. We have tried to play the players we have and nobody is consistently doing the business for us. Using the same logic about being blinkered, some people are so blinkered in their criticism of the Dragons too and can only see their point of view.

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