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Post by Silver Wed 20 Mar 2013, 9:52 am

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After watching Rafael Nadal complete a triumphant hardcourt transition at Indian Wells and break his own record for Masters titles won, the tour rumbles on and circles the wagons at Key Biscayne, Miami. The Miami Masters has been held here since 1987, after originally setting up at none other than Delray Beach in 1985. The cream generally seems to rise to the top at Miami, and by far the most prolific winner of the tournament is Andre Agassi, who notched up an amazing six titles over the course of his career. Amongst currently active players who are present at the 2013 tournament, only Djokovic, Murray and Davydenko have lifted the title previously - though Berdych was a finalist in 2010. Although Federer and Nadal are missing, the vast majority of the tour seems to have turned up, and hopefully we'll have an interesting tournament this year.

Prize: $719,160 (purse of $5,185,625), which marks an increase from last year. And of course, 1000 precious ranking points are on offer to the winner.
Defending champion is Novak Djokovic, who defeated Andy Murray in straight sets in 2012. He also won the 2011 tournament, and is therefore going for a hat-trick of wins.
Click for an updated draw on the ATP website.
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Post by TopoftheChops Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:30 pm

Excellent game by Murray. Gasquet needs to improve mentally, he can become a Grand Slam player.

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Post by summerblues Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:31 pm

Good response from Andy, played with more purpose, plus Gasquet took the foot off the pedal a bit.

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Post by Danny_1982 Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:31 pm

More aggressive, and we're back on serve.

Funny how in spite of the beauty of the Gasquet BH, it is the area most players try and attack him. Biggest strength AND greatest weakness?

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Post by The Special Juan Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:38 pm

I think it's because any SHBH, no matter the aesthetics, is likely to break down under severe pressure because of the impeccable timing it requires.
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Post by Cogen Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:39 pm

Sounds like I missed an interesting start. Unfortunately my other monitor is unavailable at the moment, so I'm using my TV as a computer monitor. I promised myself I wouldn't give in and turn the tennis on until I finished typing this document up! steam

Come on Cogen, type faster!

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Post by Johnyjeep Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:40 pm

The Special Juan wrote:I think it's because any SHBH, no matter the aesthetics, is likely to break down under severe pressure because of the impeccable timing it requires.

Yes I agree. The margins of error are much smaller. Still...true test of skill for me. Hence why I like it.

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Post by Danny_1982 Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:45 pm

The Special Juan wrote:I think it's because any SHBH, no matter the aesthetics, is likely to break down under severe pressure because of the impeccable timing it requires.

I agree. Can especially break down with high balls, which is why Murray is looping to that corner a lot.

Murray has turned this around nicely. Playing very well now.

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Post by The Special Juan Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:45 pm

Gasquet's dripping. That must be worrying for his fans.

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Post by The Special Juan Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:47 pm

The funny thing is, I was roped into tennis lessons when I was 4/5 despite never watching a tennis match in my life. Right from the off I was taught to use the DHBH and never actually knew of the existence of the SHBH until I was a few years older Laugh Therefore I've never used it but it's something I'd love to try some time.
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Post by TopoftheChops Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:49 pm

Awful from Murray

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Post by summerblues Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:50 pm

Stinker of a game from Andy. Freebie for Gasquet.

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Post by Danny_1982 Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:50 pm

Oh dear Andy...

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Post by CaledonianCraig Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:50 pm

Rank game that from Murray. Back on serve when he had a great chance to take the set.
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Post by The Special Juan Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:51 pm

This is a great match.
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Post by Danny_1982 Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:54 pm

It is a good watch. Both played really well for spells, and then below par for spells. I just think Gasquet is more likely to crack at key moments.

As ricky loud as that may sound after what happened when Murray served for it!

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Post by Cogen Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:55 pm

The Special Juan wrote:The funny thing is, I was roped into tennis lessons when I was 4/5 despite never watching a tennis match in my life. Right from the off I was taught to use the DHBH and never actually knew of the existence of the SHBH until I was a few years older Laugh Therefore I've never used it but it's something I'd love to try some time.

I've never had a tennis lesson, but I've played regularly for the last 4 or 5 years and I went straight to the SHBH. Tried the DHBH a few times but my arms feel so tied up and I struggle to generate any power on the shot. SHBH gives me so much more freedom as I can rotate my back and shoulder through the shot much faster. But I do struggle when the ball comes through to my backhand above shoulder height.

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Post by Danny_1982 Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:55 pm

Ricky loud?

I meant ridiculous. Damn auto correct!

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:56 pm

#ComeOnMurray

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Post by summerblues Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:57 pm

The Special Juan wrote:I think it's because any SHBH, no matter the aesthetics, is likely to break down under severe pressure because of the impeccable timing it requires.
I think it is also due to what today's tennis is about. Today, the game is often asking the question "can you hit another solid deep shot?" and DHBH is better for that. If the question was "how will you surprise me with the next shot?", SHBH could hold its own or better. So I think it is due to the conditions too; could change again in future.

Also, to be honest, even for players with DHBHs it is usually the BH side which gets attacked more frequently.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:01 am

Lovely shot by Casquet

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Post by The Special Juan Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:05 am

Rats. Reechard with confidence = very, very dangerous. I still think Murray will turn it around as Gasquet is looking just a tiny bit tired.
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Post by Johnyjeep Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:05 am

Fair play Gasquet. 100% deserved. Still think Murray will win this is 3.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:06 am

First set to Gasquet in the tie-break. Andy will kick himself but credit to Gasquet playing some great stuff.
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Post by summerblues Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:06 am

Yey! The magic Gasquet from the opening games showed up for the tie break. Well deserved tie break though in fairness Richard was a bit lucky to reach the tie-break in the first place.

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Post by The Special Juan Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:06 am

Cogen wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:The funny thing is, I was roped into tennis lessons when I was 4/5 despite never watching a tennis match in my life. Right from the off I was taught to use the DHBH and never actually knew of the existence of the SHBH until I was a few years older Laugh Therefore I've never used it but it's something I'd love to try some time.

I've never had a tennis lesson, but I've played regularly for the last 4 or 5 years and I went straight to the SHBH. Tried the DHBH a few times but my arms feel so tied up and I struggle to generate any power on the shot. SHBH gives me so much more freedom as I can rotate my back and shoulder through the shot much faster. But I do struggle when the ball comes through to my backhand above shoulder height.

If it's any consolation we didn't get taught much and what we did get taught I can't remember picard
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Post by Danny_1982 Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:07 am

Interesting. Well played Gasquet.

Murray not getting first serves in on big points. And his second serve has been dire. His general play has not been too bad.

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Post by Guest Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:08 am

summerblues wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:I think it's because any SHBH, no matter the aesthetics, is likely to break down under severe pressure because of the impeccable timing it requires.
I think it is also due to what today's tennis is about. Today, the game is often asking the question "can you hit another solid deep shot?" and DHBH is better for that. If the question was "how will you surprise me with the next shot?", SHBH could hold its own or better. So I think it is due to the conditions too; could change again in future.

Also, to be honest, even for players with DHBHs it is usually the BH side which gets attacked more frequently.

The FH is invariably the stronger more attacking weapon (not necessarily the most reliable or sturdy) which is why players nearly always attack the BH more and avoid the more damaging FH. I can think of very few players whose BH is the 'weapon' compared to the FH.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:09 am

Yeah Murray will turn it around, however very impressed with Casquet, playing some decent shots.

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Post by lydian Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:11 am

Wow, that was some talent on display by Gasquet in the TB...where has this guy been all these years? Amazing stuff.

The SHBH is a difficult shot to truly master. Its a complete kinetic chain that starts from the high take back. If you've mastered a DHBH its easier to move to SHBH than other way round. There is so much that can go wrong with a SHBH. Juniors don't get talk SHBH at all now...and yet we have quite a number of players in the top 15 using it...Federer, Almagro, Wawrinka, Gasquet....its not like the shot isn't working.
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Post by Silver Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:11 am

Gasquet in the final would be great, I hope he wins this. With all due respect to Murray fans, of course.

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Post by lydian Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:13 am

That 103 mph BH winner in set 1 was amazing though...you wont see many FH winners over 103mph all year. Once mastered the SHBH is a more powerful shot than DHBH but the prodigious timing required has to be out of this world.
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Post by LuvSports! Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:15 am

Murray? wawrinka? gasquet?

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Post by The Special Juan Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:15 am

A couple of days ago they were talking about the SHBH v the DHBH in the studio. They came to the conclusion that the SHBH is better for offensive play but the DHBH is better for defensive play because of the footwork involved. Therefore, the question that was asked was will there be a player who can play the DHBH for defensive points and the SHBH for offensive points?
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Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:16 am

Silver wrote:Gasquet in the final would be great, I hope he wins this. With all due respect to Murray fans, of course.

I am a big Murray fan, however i must admit it would be great to see Casquet in the final.

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Post by Danny_1982 Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:19 am

Phew... Murray got away with that then. Big chance for Gasquet asMurray was getting frustrated and making poor choices.

Possible turning point that he held on.

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Post by The Special Juan Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:23 am

It's times like these when we'll see what Gasquet's head is like these days. Can he respond?
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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:25 am

Andy continuing this match in the same vein as the rest of the tournie.....patchy.
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Post by Guest Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:26 am

Murray's a pretty loud grunter, can't believe he was complaining about the other guy!

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Post by Danny_1982 Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:28 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:Andy continuing this match in the same vein as the rest of the tournie.....patchy.

I think some of his play today has been really good. Apart from a handful of points he's played well since the 4th game. It's his serving on the big points that has been the letdown.

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Post by lydian Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:30 am

Tsonga has a decent SHBH and DHBH - but mainly plays DHBH
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Post by summerblues Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:30 am

I was disappointed with Tommy's loss earlier today. Ferrer is hard to beat, but beatable, that was a big missed chance to make a Masters 1000 final. I am also hoping that maybe Haas can sneak into top 10 later this spring - he has very little to defend on clay up to RG - and a win today would have made it a bit more realistic.

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Post by ALPanorak Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:31 am

I hope Gasquet is reserving himself for a third set resurgence.

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Post by The Special Juan Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:32 am

lydian wrote:Tsonga has a decent SHBH and DHBH - but mainly plays DHBH

There's someone else who alternates but I can't quite remember. It might be Youzhny. I love Tsonga's variety though; he's the one person on a tour who I think could, perhaps not master, but definitely utilise both.
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Post by The Special Juan Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:33 am

Superb, Sir Andrew. Now, "FINISH HIM".
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Post by Cogen Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:34 am

I get the feeling Gasquet is not done yet. Took a breather in that game cos the set was gone... but those breaks weren't easy for Andy to get, and Murray had a few panicky moments on his own serve.

Definitely advantage Murray right now, but it wouldn't take much for this match to swing round again.

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Post by CaledonianCraig Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:37 am

Gasquet has played some great stuff and not so great in that second set. Murray will kick himself if he loses as he threw away the first set.
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Post by The Special Juan Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:39 am

On a string. This is irresistible.
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Post by Danny_1982 Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:46 am

Andy Andy Andy... You're not going to invite him back in again are you?!

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Post by The Special Juan Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:46 am

We need a smiley depicting someone's head exploding.
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Post by Danny_1982 Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:46 am

Oh you are? How hospitable!

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