"Boxing is Dead" - Chisora

Boxing is dead according to Derek Chisora, the heavyweight famous for his brawl with David Haye. Chisora thinks the sport needs characters like himself to bring interest and states he would like to fight Price in Liverpool.

What are opinions? I think Price would knock Chisora out based on what I have seen so far but I think it would be a very interesting match up.

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Dereck Chisora says that boxing is "dead" and personalities like his will get the sport greater attention.

Earlier in March, the 29-year-old was given a British Boxing Board of Control licence, a year after he had it removed following a brawl with David Haye.

But the heavyweight maintains he has no concerns about negative perceptions of him in the sport.


Boxing is dead and you need people like me to bring it back up," Chisora told 5 live Boxing.

"Someone has to take the bad role and as long as people are tuning in and watching the sport that I love, I don't mind."

Chisora was banned by the World Boxing Council after the fracas with Haye but his subsequent fight against his fellow Briton, which Chisora lost in the fifth round, was sanctioned by the Luxembourg Boxing Federation.

The Londonder, who has undertaken anger management classes, is set to fight Ondrej Pala on 20 April and is targeting a fight with David Price later this year.

He added: "I don't mind going to Liverpool in the summer time for a big fight against David Price. I did take [anger classes] but I've kind of stopped now. We'll see one day if it's worked."

Winny, Price is chinny. The punches a far Del wobbled Fury with would do severe damage to Price's senses.

But Del is right. Boxing needs characters for it to gain mainstream interest. Look at how the fight with Haye captured the public's imagination and sent everyone to streaming sites.

Price v Chisora could be an interesting style clash.

I don't think Chisora's a world beater but he's faced three tall heavyweights. In one he came in obese, the other he won and the last he put in a very respectable effort against a guy who hasn't been made to sweat in a long, long time.

If he has his head screwed on then his workrate and ability to put punches together could bother many fighters. Presuming the Haye KO has taken anything from him I think he'd give Price a good workout even if David had an adequate chin, which he likely hasn't.

Even with his glass ear/neck it will be difficult for Del to pull it off, given his size and lack of one shot power. Then again his chin has looked uncrackable against all but a very quick, powerful shot thrown from an unorthodox angle he didn't see coming so it would be a good test of Price's power

I think had chisora a little experience he could have gotten up and tested haye a little more before inevitably losing. Hopefully he'll learn to rise slowly from knockdowns and get his bearings straight before he wades back in. He might need it against price.

I think he became discouraged too easily against Haye. The second half of the fight should've been where he came on, but Haye was parrying his jab so easily and was slippery enough to make Del get wild. Derek's body language in the 5th round stank of a guy losing faith. Infact his body language in the 48 hours leading up to the fight made me think he was a little nervous of the occasion.

boxing doesnt need attention seekers with limited ability. it needs better match making and fairer scoring.

Lance wrote:boxing doesnt need attention seekers with limited ability. it needs better match making and fairer scoring.

And personalities.

azania wrote:

Lance wrote:boxing doesnt need attention seekers with limited ability. it needs better match making and fairer scoring.

And personalities.

personality with more talent would be ideal. chisora needs to win a few more

Obviously talent comes first. But talent with personality will get boxing on the back pages. It doesn't have to be an OTT personality also. Just not a metronome.

Offensively Price is a very, very good fighter. Defensively he makes Amir Khan look like Floyd Mayweather JR. You mentioned in another thead Winchester that Wlad has a very poor chin, but seem to be ignoring Price getting knocked out by Tony Thompson with a cuffing shot, Deontay Wilder summed it up on this weeks podcast when he called it a lucky shot that didn't really have any power.

Big question is could Price stay away from Chisora for 12 rounds. Probably not, so what happens when Chisora pins him against the ropes or in a corner? He will take some clean shots and I'm not convinced he could stand up to them.

A guy who loses everytime his faced half decent opponents, has no right to make such statements.

A loud mouthed idiot who was severely shown up in his last fight, if Price can't beat him, he needs to assess his future.

Cheers Rodders

Are you holding the Helenius "loss" against him?

No, but how many times is fighter and promoter going to use that controversial decision ? Helenius is hardly proven, get over it Derek you're a limited loudmouthed idiot, whose limitations were severely shown up by Haye, when you didn't win 1 minute of fighting.

Cheers Rodders

Helen was Euro champ and coming of a destruction of Peters who was considered very dangerous. People use the 4 losses against Del when in fact he lost to the very best....and Fury when he was fat and lethargic.

Helenius was half crocked in his fight with Chisora though.

Yeah, but Del was still robbed and such a blatant robbery should not be used against him.

Maybe not, but getting beat by a limited Fury and then slapped silly by Haye should be. Think about how much stick Haye gets, how poor his HW resume is considered and how he's even been lauded as one of the weakest HW champs of all time, yet coming of a 12 month lay-off he swatted Del aside with minimal effort.

Has Chisora really got personality? Can anyone recall one thing he has ever said which is amusing, insightful, witty perceptive or anything even coming close to these things. Maybe it is just me being old but since when did being a thuggish oaf who hits women and possesses limited ability equal personality, are we really setting the bar that low now?

Rowley wrote:Has Chisora really got personality? Can anyone recall one thing he has ever said which is amusing, insightful, witty perceptive or anything even coming close to these things. Maybe it is just me being old but since when did being a thuggish oaf who hits women and possesses limited ability equal personality, are we really setting the bar that low now?

That's what floats Az's boat, apparently.

Rowley wrote:Has Chisora really got personality? Can anyone recall one thing he has ever said which is amusing, insightful, witty perceptive or anything even coming close to these things. Maybe it is just me being old but since when did being a thuggish oaf who hits women and possesses limited ability equal personality, are we really setting the bar that low now?

Its just you and the Guardian reading, sandal weari g, hand wringing chattering class.

Yeah us whiny liberals who have an issue with blokes that beat women, bloody tree hugging do gooders.

azania wrote:

Rowley wrote:Has Chisora really got personality? Can anyone recall one thing he has ever said which is amusing, insightful, witty perceptive or anything even coming close to these things. Maybe it is just me being old but since when did being a thuggish oaf who hits women and possesses limited ability equal personality, are we really setting the bar that low now?

Its just you and the Guardian reading, sandal weari g, hand wringing chattering class.

It's folk who has half a cell to realise that Chisora has the personality of a small Gnat, limited ability, convicted woman beater, can see why he's so appealing.

However he has a lovely little dog.

Cheers Rodders

If he comes in like he did against Fury and Price won it would prove nothing.

Hopefully he comes into the fight in good shape, would be a great win for Price.

Chisora would beat Price if they faced off in the summer. Chisora has so much more experience and the loss to Thompson has really crushed Price's confidence.

Rodney wrote:

azania wrote:

Rowley wrote:Has Chisora really got personality? Can anyone recall one thing he has ever said which is amusing, insightful, witty perceptive or anything even coming close to these things. Maybe it is just me being old but since when did being a thuggish oaf who hits women and possesses limited ability equal personality, are we really setting the bar that low now?

Its just you and the Guardian reading, sandal weari g, hand wringing chattering class.

It's folk who has half a cell to realise that Chisora has the personality of a small Gnat, limited ability, convicted woman beater, can see why he's so appealing.

However he has a lovely little dog.

Cheers Rodders

Who said he was appealing? His interviews are hilarious. He has an exciting style. Good for boxing. At least he's not a Monzon type of guy.

victorgarco wrote:Chisora would beat Price if they faced off in the summer. Chisora has so much more experience and the loss to Thompson has really crushed Price's confidence.

Can I ask what you base that comment on? Are you his therapist?

Not saying it hasnt but that is pure conjuncture.

Accurate conjecture though.

Based on what though? His post fight interviews?

azania wrote:Accurate conjecture though.

By definition conjecture cannot be 'accurate'. It's purely speculative.

ViccyG talking out his backside again.....

hampo171 wrote:Based on what though? His post fight interviews?

Well firstly any fighters confidence will be low when they suffer a humiliating defeat to a guy that they was expected to beat easily. Especially when that guy is 41 and came into the fight rather fat.

The second is an interview he gave where he just seemed to be so demoralised.

You mean straight after the fight?

In regards to the original question, boxing may not be dead but its very close and will be in the near future

How many kids these day would want to be a boxer when there are so many easier sports? Can't think of many

You can't win these days as a boxer. You get abuse if you don't fight your way into a title shot, then if you eventually lose you're a hype job and always will be. If you lost before world level you may never get the credit or attention throughout your career. If you aren't exciting or don't have a huge following you can be avoided and dodged for years while people critisise your opponents. You get knocked out/down your chinny. Your quiet your boring. Your brash your an idiot. Every boxer gets compare to the greats of old

That's from boxing fans too. What's the point, it's not like most boxers make enough money that a normal sportman would get.

Networks don't Televise many fights, sanctioning bodies keep changing their rules and champs and mandatory rules, boxers don't want to prove themselves and promoters don't want to work with each other

Boxing is in a very dark place and its going to take more than just characters to help it out

Boxing is a bit like the Lottery. Most people that enter are never going to get that lovely big jackpot but somebody somewhere has to and, as they say, you gotta be in it to win it.

Most kids who dream of playing football never manage to make it big because there's limited places with the major teams. Doesn't stop 'em trying though.

Play professional football these days and you're deemed a brainless knuckle dragger who is a closet racist, homophobe, serial cheater (both on and off the pitch) and a poor role model for the youth of today (that's 'da kidz' to you young 'uns)

"God is dead." - Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead." - God

"Boxing is dead." - Chisora

Chisora is dead - BBBOC

"Rise Minion" Belgisus boxing board of control.

hampo171 wrote:Based on what though? His post fight interviews?

Pre fight interviews also. His ring entrance and that he is totally bonkers.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:Accurate conjecture though.

By definition conjecture cannot be 'accurate'. It's purely speculative.

ViccyG talking out his backside again.....

Its an opinion and closer to the potential outcome.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote: How many kids these day would want to be a boxer when there are so many easier sports? Can't think of many

I never wanted to box as a lad - my dad made me. In the late 80's and early 90's our Dads wanted us to box so we could handle ourselves on the streets. Back then, if MMA was around then my Dad would have chosen that instead.

In school, or outside a pub, an MMA fighter beats a boxer most days of the week. In 2013, I think estate kids are more likely to go into Mixed Martial Arts for the same reasons I went into boxing.

That makes sense, why only learn to box if you can learn martial arts on top of boxing

He who gets the first punch in invariably wins a street fight regardless of what they're trained in.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:That makes sense, why only learn to box if you can learn martial arts on top of boxing

Doing both is handy if you want to look after yourself but if you want to excel at either there comes a point where you will have to focus on one or the other.

In a sporting capacity only, I think Boxing helps MMA fighters more than MMA helps boxers.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:He who gets the first punch in invariably wins a street fight regardless of what they're trained in.

That's an old wives tale.

If it's an unplanned fight and the first punch is a sly dig then I might agree. However if it's anything planned (or even unplanned but with a build up, fair warning, and an agreed beginning) then a good MMA fighter will mostly win against a boxer.

YouTube - "Felony Fights" it'll disprove your "first punch wins" theory.

I've done you the honour..... (brutal ending)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScmKFs2FVZ0

I'm not talking about any agreement Mackem because that's not trouble it's organised violence, big difference.

So your talking about a sly dig.

Of course if you catch someone with a "dodgy one" (and don't let them get up) then yes, first punch wins.

Well it should.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=uj3DTajPJPk&feature=endscreen

TheMackemMawler wrote:I've done you the honour..... (brutal ending)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScmKFs2FVZ0

He didn't win because of mixed martial arts. He won because tattoos.

Anyway here's some people getting knocked out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jL9uajkrsg

TheMackemMawler wrote:So your talking about a sly dig.

Of course if you catch someone with a "dodgy one" (and don't let them get up) then yes, first punch wins.

Well it should.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=uj3DTajPJPk&feature=endscreen

Imperial Ghosty is right on this one. In a street fight if you throw the first punch and connect then you will 90% of the time win the fight. If someone is being aggressive towards you and making threats and you throw that punch and connect you should win. Nothing sly about it either, it's called protecting yourself.

A prime example is the Haye v Chisora brawl. Some may say Haye's punch was a sly dig but to me it was the definition of protecting yourself. Chisora threatened to hit Haye and walked towards him in an aggressive manner and so Haye threw the first unch, it landed and Chisora was sent to the floor.

First strike is important but as Mackem is trying to allude to, it is not the be all and end all and is only decisive if it is basically a cheap shot/sucker punch.

Brawls don't occur in the nice controlled environment of a boxing ring, they happen in tight confines where there's limited room for manoeuvre. Here getting that perfect boxer's shot off is not easy and invariably most fights end up on the deck in a heap.

If you've got room and time then I'd be tempted to back to boxer, however the simple fact is most fights aren't spontaneous, there is build up, maybe even an opening skirmish. In which case the MMA fighter would know to take-down and ground and pound, not wait for/afford the boxer the perfect opportunity to land the sweet-shot.

Rodney wrote:

azania wrote:

Rowley wrote:Has Chisora really got personality? Can anyone recall one thing he has ever said which is amusing, insightful, witty perceptive or anything even coming close to these things. Maybe it is just me being old but since when did being a thuggish oaf who hits women and possesses limited ability equal personality, are we really setting the bar that low now?

Its just you and the Guardian reading, sandal weari g, hand wringing chattering class.

It's folk who has half a cell to realise that Chisora has the personality of a small Gnat, limited ability, convicted woman beater, can see why he's so appealing.

However he has a lovely little dog.

Cheers Rodders

Let's not forget that Chisora threw a snowball at Warren's son in the build up to the Klitschko fight.
What a character.
Oh my ribs.