Regional Rugby, NWQs, Development & The Way Forward

by thespreys Tue 09 Apr 2013, 4:18 pm

First topic message reminder :

Nice to see the DRAGONS continue to supply welsh players of the future,bit of a joke 4 non welsh in one swoop,its time to cut their funding as they do nothing for the welsh cause.

by LordDowlais Fri 26 Apr 2013, 8:21 am

wayne wrote:
Griff wrote:Hi Wayne. I'd expect them to give those players an equal chance, and then see who shines through. If one turns out to be head and shoulders above another then I'd expect them to feature more asa the season goes on. A bit like the battle with Kahn and Rhys Webb this season.

I personally think Tebaldi could be a good signing, but a few on here and other posts have denounced it as a waste of money already.
Griff, I've been a ST holder here at the Os every season since they moved to the LS apart from 2 seasons due to ill health, most of the others who portray themselves as Os supporters are not at that level of commitment, I think you are the same as myself, I would rather hear the opinion of true supporters than these that go on a haphazard basis, you HAVE to take a punt on some of these players like Tebaldi, Burton etc some come off others don't, if you asked on our board who has been the ONE true legend at the Ospreys the majority would have come out with Filo Tiatia, who was playing in Japan and is now back there coaching and he would be welcomed back here in that capacity in a heartbeat.

TiaTai, what an absolute legend. Ale

by Allty Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:39 am

[quote="Risca Rev"][quote="Allty"]Just had a very pleasant evening with friends to celebrate my good ladies 70th

The group has over 150 Welsh capsl the unanimous decision was that the NWQ's served little purpose.

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You're bound to find like minded individuals to hang round with. Probably all ignorant old goats and the point about caps means little, as they obviously aren't current players, as no way would a modern international be so narrow minded as to say NWQs serve little purpose.

Playing with us? So you've been deliberately getting everything wrong? Well I guess that makes your ignorance on here slightly more excusable.

That your first thought after a great night was to come on here and post that worries me. Your wife must find you a treat.[/quote]

We were all reading the posts on this thread and laughing our heads off. Party-time mun.

Out of interest. Three are very well known players all of us have played against touring sides. All have coached with some success

None of us think much of the WRU but we all think the regional money men are even worst.

None of us think it is a good idea for a bankrupt person is allowed to be in any sort of control of the game

All of us think that the regions trying to push the WRU around is pathetic and as pro sports clubs they either sink or swim.

You young guys have been so much fun to play with and one day if you have children or grand children you may just begin to understand what we older guys are talking about.

The future needs to be in [b]your hands[/b] and not with a group of over paid imports and money-men with egos.

We also agreed that the blinkered fanatical support given to the regions by some posters is similar to everything we dislike about the bigoted footy supporter.

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:46 am

Allty wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:
Allty wrote:Just had a very pleasant evening with friends to celebrate my good ladies 70th

The group has over 150 Welsh capsl the unanimous decision was that the NWQ's served little purpose.

You're bound to find like minded individuals to hang round with. Probably all ignorant old goats and the point about caps means little, as they obviously aren't current players, as no way would a modern international be so narrow minded as to say NWQs serve little purpose.

Playing with us? So you've been deliberately getting everything wrong? Well I guess that makes your ignorance on here slightly more excusable.

That your first thought after a great night was to come on here and post that worries me. Your wife must find you a treat.

We were all reading the posts on this thread and laughing our heads off. Party-time mun.

Out of interest. Three are very well known players all of us have played against touring sides.

All of us do not think much of the WRU all of us think the regional money men are worst.

None of us think it is a good idea for a 2/3 times bankrupt person is allowed to be in any sort of control of the game

All of us think that the Regions trying to push the WRU around is pathetic and they as pro sports clubs either sink or swim.

As I said you young guys have been so much fun to play with and one day if you have children or grand children you may just begin to understand what us older guys are talking about.

The future needs to be in your hands not in a group of over paid imports and money-men with egos

Most succesfull millionaires have been down the bankrupt route, in fact the few that havn't were young early internet success stories who struggle with the success.

You can't say anyone who has been bankrupt shouldn't be allowed to be involved with sports, simply because that is none of your business, I'm getting a very dark ignorance to your posts I dislike, there is something very old school and xenophobic about you, so I will bid you fairwell and not reply to you any more.

by Allty Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:49 am

Utter rubbish

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:57 am

OK I tell you what I'll bite for 5 minutes...

Who exactly are your team Allty? (you can't answer team WRU, sorry I meant Wales)

by Allty Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:42 am

See I've got you maybe I'm not a so bad after all.

If I had to make a choice it would be on entertainment value

I'd have to go for the Scarlets.

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:53 am

Presumably you hated David Lyons and Regan King playing for them.

by Allty Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:35 pm

[quote="Luckless Pedestrian"]Presumably you hated David Lyons and Regan King playing for them.[/quote]

What a foolish presumption and post.

I dont hate any player, region side.

I dislike the fact that outsiders often of very poor quality and/or way past their best are bought into the regional squads and in some cases into prem sides

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:45 pm

Allty wrote:Just had a very pleasant evening with friends to celebrate my good ladies 70th

The group has over 150 Welsh capsl the unanimous decision was that the NWQ's apart from David Lyons and Regan King served little purpose.

by Allty Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:57 pm

[quote="Luckless Pedestrian"][quote="Allty"]Just had a very pleasant evening with friends to celebrate my good ladies 70th

The group has over 150 Welsh capsl the unanimous decision was that the NWQ's [b]apart from David Lyons and Regan King [/b]served little purpose.

[/quote]

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Do you always behave like this you are getting more childlike by the post. Very Happy

To hate anyone is a very sad emotion and fortunately there is no hate in my mind towards players.

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 26 Apr 2013, 1:00 pm

I'm sorry Allty, but that's how I react when another poster adopts a supercilious tone. I can't help it - it must be my regional blinkers affecting my brain.

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 26 Apr 2013, 1:04 pm

Anyway, it's Friday and the weather's too nice outside to argue.

Out of interest, who did you play for?

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 2:16 pm

Allty

What is it you think of Ben Morgan? How did he stop welsh talent come through? And should he have not been signed?

by Allty Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:00 pm

Very good player who could have played for Wales under the 3 year rule

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:24 pm

Allty wrote:Very good player who could have played for Wales under the 3 year rule

So your ok with English players so long as they can become WQ, does that extend to the likes of Dirkson? Paterson? Pretorious? etc...

Or is it an age, nationality or skin colour issue you have?!

by Allty Fri 26 Apr 2013, 6:22 pm

Please read my posts instead of trying to score points if you do you will note that

1 I accept the 3 year rule. Its there end of.

2 I do not like the three year rule and think it should be a minimum of 5 years.

The Henry ploy of brining in young players remains distasteful.

by Allty Fri 26 Apr 2013, 6:25 pm

[quote="thebluesmancometh"][quote="Allty"]Very good player who could have played for Wales under the 3 year rule[/quote]

So your ok with English players so long as they can become WQ, does that extend to the likes of Dirkson? Paterson? Pretorious? etc...

Or is it an age, nationality or[b] skin colour issue you have[/b]?![/quote]

I've just noticed this and suggest you be very very careful what you post. You appear to be suggesting I am racist.

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 7:50 pm

Allty wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:
Allty wrote:Very good player who could have played for Wales under the 3 year rule

So your ok with English players so long as they can become WQ, does that extend to the likes of Dirkson? Paterson? Pretorious? etc...

Or is it an age, nationality or skin colour issue you have?!

I've just noticed this and suggest you be very very careful what you post. You appear to be suggesting I am racist.

No I simply asked you a question surrounding your parameters of disliking 'outsiders' playing in Wales!!

You claimed you and your heavily capped mates laughed and joked that foreign players offer nothing to Welsh rugby, does Ben Morgan fit into this caregory, as he offered a seasons worth of performance to the standard after 2 seasons of hard graft by Scarlets to get him into shape?

by Allty Fri 26 Apr 2013, 7:58 pm

It reads as you suggesting I am racist.

Please do not wriggle

An apology would be in order

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 8:00 pm

Your the one who is wriggling, I have suggested nothing of the sort, just asked your parameters, please state them

by ScarletSpiderman Fri 26 Apr 2013, 8:31 pm

Alty to be fair constantly calling nwq players as outsiders is going to raise peoples eyebrows a bit. Maybe Bluesman didn't word it the most eloquently, but how you define outsiders would be interesting. For example is Faletau an outsider, or Cuthbert, or Rupert Moon, or Tony Copsey (going back a bit)

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 8:34 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Alty to be fair constantly calling nwq players as outsiders is going to raise peoples eyebrows a bit. Maybe Bluesman didn't word it the most eloquently, but how you define outsiders would be interesting. For example is Faletau an outsider, or Cuthbert, or Rupert Moon, or Tony Copsey (going back a bit)

SS

What do you think of Morgan?

by ScarletSpiderman Fri 26 Apr 2013, 8:44 pm

Not to sure really. As a Scarlets supporter I wish he had declined England and opted to play for Wales, so he could stay at PYS. But he is a proud Englishman so I understood his national choice, and the money from his move helped us out. To be honest I was a bit miffed with the nwq rules with Manu and Morgan though, as they both became wq and then became nwq again, even though Wales would have capped them otherwise. However players like Pete the meat Edwards qualify, and stay wq, even though they'll never pull on a welsh jersey, Paul Tito falls in the same bracket too imo seeing as he said he would rather not play for wales unless absolutely needed.

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 8:58 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Not to sure really. As a Scarlets supporter I wish he had declined England and opted to play for Wales, so he could stay at PYS. But he is a proud Englishman so I understood his national choice, and the money from his move helped us out. To be honest I was a bit miffed with the nwq rules with Manu and Morgan though, as they both became wq and then became nwq again, even though Wales would have capped them otherwise. However players like Pete the meat Edwards qualify, and stay wq, even though they'll never pull on a welsh jersey, Paul Tito falls in the same bracket too imo seeing as he said he would rather not play for wales unless absolutely needed.

Putting yourself in Morgans and Titos shoes is understandable, but IMHO Morgans far less so. He went to Scarlets as a bit of a project, I was in contact with a few conditioners involved up there when he signed and he was a physical mess apparently, his diet was awfull, andc although his engine was ok (considering his weight and fat %) it was his strength that was really low, he was reeducated, and had a lot of special treatment because of his natural talent, and he never declared himself a proud Englishman until he had an offer from both nations to chose.

I'm not slating the guy, but he really did keep his options open, and although choosing England I think he really shouldve showed a bit more loyalty to the club who invested so much, and turned his career around at such a young age!!!

At least Tito said from the off he wouldn't be interested in playing for Wales, he was always a proud redhead maori Laugh

by ScarletSpiderman Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:09 pm

Morgan was a bit of a freak case really as he joined Llanelli from Merthyr or somewhere that way, and was dragged up to standards from total obscurity. That said knocking back the saxons was an odd choice, I guess it was a case of wanting a full international cap and not risking it for an a team.

Thinking about it yeah i guess he way have been the worst case of nwq as he used gained from us instead of us gaining from them. Dammit.

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:12 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Morgan was a bit of a freak case really as he joined Llanelli from Merthyr or somewhere that way, and was dragged up to standards from total obscurity. That said knocking back the saxons was an odd choice, I guess it was a case of wanting a full international cap and not risking it for an a team.

Thinking about it yeah i guess he way have been the worst case of nwq as he used gained from us instead of us gaining from them. Dammit.

What really irks me is that the Scarlets gave him the shot, gave him the chance of a career in rugby, and the second he got a glimpse of recognition he bolted.

I personally think the Scarlets invested more than they got from him, and that is not what welsh rugby needs. As you say, NWQ is just so, you know what your signing and what you get, but potentially WQ is far more risky!!

by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:24 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Morgan was a bit of a freak case really as he joined Llanelli from Merthyr or somewhere that way, and was dragged up to standards from total obscurity. That said knocking back the saxons was an odd choice, I guess it was a case of wanting a full international cap and not risking it for an a team.

Thinking about it yeah i guess he way have been the worst case of nwq as he used gained from us instead of us gaining from them. Dammit.

What really irks me is that the Scarlets gave him the shot, gave him the chance of a career in rugby, and the second he got a glimpse of recognition he bolted.

I personally think the Scarlets invested more than they got from him, and that is not what welsh rugby needs. As you say, NWQ is just so, you know what your signing and what you get, but potentially WQ is far more risky!!

I know what you're both saying, and I agree in many respects, but I reckon if it happened the other way round with a welsh player being plucked from obscurity by, say, Gloucester and trained up to standard, and subsequently moved to a welsh region and chose Wales, we'd be over the moon!!! Doesn't make it right or fair though, but I reckon we wouldn't have too much bad to say about that situation. It just hurts more when it happens to us unfortunately. It hurts just as much when they leave for another welsh region too!

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:28 pm

Griff wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Morgan was a bit of a freak case really as he joined Llanelli from Merthyr or somewhere that way, and was dragged up to standards from total obscurity. That said knocking back the saxons was an odd choice, I guess it was a case of wanting a full international cap and not risking it for an a team.

Thinking about it yeah i guess he way have been the worst case of nwq as he used gained from us instead of us gaining from them. Dammit.

What really irks me is that the Scarlets gave him the shot, gave him the chance of a career in rugby, and the second he got a glimpse of recognition he bolted.

I personally think the Scarlets invested more than they got from him, and that is not what welsh rugby needs. As you say, NWQ is just so, you know what your signing and what you get, but potentially WQ is far more risky!!

I know what you're both saying, and I agree in many respects, but I reckon if it happened the other way round with a welsh player being plucked from obscurity by, say, Gloucester and trained up to standard, and subsequently moved to a welsh region and chose Wales, we'd be over the moon!!! Doesn't make it right or fair though, but I reckon we wouldn't have too much bad to say about that situation. It just hurts more when it happens to us unfortunately. It hurts just as much when they leave for another welsh region too!

Agree mate, but doesn't make it right, I'm sure there are a number of Englishmen who contributed to Cuthbert as an athlete too!!!

It prob hurts more when the player goes to another region = direct competition!! It's the North conundrum, had the WRU had a better relationship with the regions / Scarlets North may have stayed in Llanelli, or gone to Cardiff!!

by ScarletSpiderman Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:30 pm

Griff, looking at the player movements this summer I think onl Smiler has gone from one region to another. The regional poaching may be put aside in order to have a united front v the wru. I think if any other players move region to region they will be players already released by their own region (Cudd to Dragons style)

by ScarletSpiderman Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:33 pm

Bluesman if North was aided in going to Cardiff I think I would stop paying any attention to international rugbyvin protest. And probably a healthy chunk of the real west wales would have too.

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:35 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Bluesman if North was aided in going to Cardiff I think I would stop paying any attention to international rugbyvin protest. And probably a healthy chunk of the real west wales would have too.

And as a Cardiff man born and bred I would absolutely join you mate!!!!

by Cardiff Dave Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:39 pm

thebluesmancometh wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Bluesman if North was aided in going to Cardiff I think I would stop paying any attention to international rugbyvin protest. And probably a healthy chunk of the real west wales would have too.

And as a Cardiff man born and bred I would absolutely join you mate!!!!

Ditto.

by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:44 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Griff, looking at the player movements this summer I think onl Smiler has gone from one region to another. The regional poaching may be put aside in order to have a united front v the wru. I think if any other players move region to region they will be players already released by their own region (Cudd to Dragons style)

Yeah, there haven't been too many high profile ones in fairness. The Dragons have lost a few but have taken lots in return. It's when the front line stars go to another region that there are problems!

by thebluesmancometh Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:57 pm

Griff wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Griff, looking at the player movements this summer I think onl Smiler has gone from one region to another. The regional poaching may be put aside in order to have a united front v the wru. I think if any other players move region to region they will be players already released by their own region (Cudd to Dragons style)

Yeah, there haven't been too many high profile ones in fairness. The Dragons have lost a few but have taken lots in return. It's when the front line stars go to another region that there are problems!

Phillips, Bearman, Fussell, Gough???

by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 10:21 pm

That's what I meant by not too many high profile - only Phillips in that list was high profile. The others were front line for the dragons but not exactly big internationals at the time. Still not nice for us through.

If Toby or Lydiate went to another region then that would be high profile, or North to Blues, Warburton to dragons (!), Samson Lee to Ospreys, etc.

by Cardiff Dave Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:37 pm

Tovey, Aled Brew and Sweeney.
Only joking although what about Tovey?

by Allty Sat 27 Apr 2013, 8:11 am

[quote="ScarletSpiderman"]Alty to be fair constantly calling nwq players as outsiders is going to raise peoples eyebrows a bit. Maybe Bluesman didn't word it the most eloquently, but how you define outsiders would be interesting. For example is Faletau an outsider, or Cuthbert, or Rupert Moon, or Tony Copsey (going back a bit)[/quote]

I used the word outsiders loosely and NWQS will suffice in any future post.

I have no issue with players who are clearly able to qualify for wales under the present rules even though I think a Welsh granny from NZ is stretching things and the 3 year rule should be extended to at least 5 years of actually living in a country full time.

by Allty Sat 27 Apr 2013, 8:18 am

[quote="ScarletSpiderman"]Griff, looking at the player movements this summer I think onl Smiler has gone from one region to another. The regional poaching may be put aside in order to have a united front v the wru. I think if any other players move region to region they will be players already released by their own region (Cudd to Dragons style)[/quote]

Nice to see that at least you are all starting to see where I'm coming from and thinking outside of the narrow welsh box. You say you don't like it the other way around yet you are happy to see NWQ's play for your teams.

by Guest Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:09 am

Allty, in my opinion we don't have 120 top level players in Wales to make 4 strong squads. We can carry on being uncompetitive and doing the best we can by playing what we've got in Wales, and in doing so become unattractive to fans, sponsors and TV. Or, we try to bring in some external help to bolster the squads, excite the fans and interest the sponsors. I'm fed up of our (Dragons) season being done and dusted by Christmas. It's rubbish from a supporters point of view, and it leads to a downward spiral as fans walk away, revenue goes down, we can only afford lower standard players, so results are worse, fans walk away, revenue is down, etc., etc. on and on.

We're too small a nation to produce the 120 or so strong athletes all at the same time. Plus, there is a NWQ limit of 6 in a squad. I really don't think that is overkill.

by thebluesmancometh Sat 27 Apr 2013, 9:35 am

Allty wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Griff, looking at the player movements this summer I think onl Smiler has gone from one region to another. The regional poaching may be put aside in order to have a united front v the wru. I think if any other players move region to region they will be players already released by their own region (Cudd to Dragons style)

Nice to see that at least you are all starting to see where I'm coming from and thinking outside of the narrow welsh box. You say you don't like it the other way around yet you are happy to see NWQ's play for your teams.

Still waiting for you to answer a question, anyone of the ones put to you!!!

PS thanks for agreeing with us regarding NWQ being usefull to welsh rugby thumbsup

by Allty Sat 27 Apr 2013, 1:01 pm

I do not think NWQ's are of use to Welsh rugby.

They may have been some years back and when they were top quality but the players being brought in now are a waste.

In reply to Griff I was told that the academies are producing new talent every year. Very Happy

by Allty Sat 27 Apr 2013, 1:02 pm

[quote="thebluesmancometh"][quote="Allty"][quote="ScarletSpiderman"]Griff, looking at the player movements this summer I think onl Smiler has gone from one region to another. The regional poaching may be put aside in order to have a united front v the wru. I think if any other players move region to region they will be players already released by their own region (Cudd to Dragons style)[/quote]

Nice to see that at least you are all starting to see where I'm coming from and thinking outside of the narrow welsh box. You say you don't like it the other way around yet you are happy to see NWQ's play for your teams. [/quote]

Still waiting for you to answer a question, anyone of the ones put to you!!!

[/quote]

'gis a clue

by Luckless Pedestrian Sat 27 Apr 2013, 1:26 pm

Allty wrote:I do not think NWQ's are of use to Welsh rugby.

They may have been some years back and when they were top quality but the players being brought in now are a waste.

Every single one?

Have you seen them all play to be in a position to judge, and if so, have you seen domestic players on the market who are better?

by thebluesmancometh Sat 27 Apr 2013, 2:25 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Allty wrote:I do not think NWQ's are of use to Welsh rugby.

They may have been some years back and when they were top quality but the players being brought in now are a waste.

Every single one?

Have you seen them all play to be in a position to judge, and if so, have you seen domestic players on the market who are better?

I wouldn't waste your time on him LP, His styles are getting very similar to certain someone Rolling Eyes

by Allty Sat 27 Apr 2013, 4:29 pm

[quote="Luckless Pedestrian"][quote="Allty"]I do not think NWQ's are of use to Welsh rugby.

They may have been some years back and when they were top quality but the players being brought in now are a waste. [/quote]

Every single one?

Have you seen them all play to be in a position to judge, and if so, have you seen domestic players on the market who are better?[/quote]

Whilst the NWQ's are in place there is clearly very little opportunity to see potential regional players perform.

Having watched just about every game played by the regions since their start I just have to say yes I have seen the NWQ's in action.

by Allty Sat 27 Apr 2013, 4:30 pm

[quote="thebluesmancometh"][quote="Luckless Pedestrian"][quote="Allty"]I do not think NWQ's are of use to Welsh rugby.

They may have been some years back and when they were top quality but the players being brought in now are a waste. [/quote]

Every single one?

Have you seen them all play to be in a position to judge, and if so, have you seen domestic players on the market who are better?[/quote]

I wouldn't waste your time on him LP, His styles are getting very similar to certain someone Rolling Eyes

[/quote]

Tell me who you think I am Very Happy

by ScarletSpiderman Sat 27 Apr 2013, 4:52 pm

Allty, you either have watched different games than I have or your judgement of usefulness is very different. The Scarlets pack for next season for example-:
John / Rh Jones
Owens / Myhill / Phillips
Lee / Adriaanse
Earle / Ball
Snyman / Kelly
Shingler / Turnbull
Barclay / D Thomas
McCusker / Delve (hopefully)

Thats our best pack since we had
Madden
McBryde
J Davies
Wyatt
Cooper
D Jones
Easterby
Quinnel

So I think its fair to say the nwqs are quality and serving a use. Esspecially when you cknsider that inly four kf the next season pack options are nwq.

by Cardiff Dave Sat 27 Apr 2013, 8:01 pm

Allty wrote:
thebluesmancometh wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Allty wrote:I do not think NWQ's are of use to Welsh rugby.

They may have been some years back and when they were top quality but the players being brought in now are a waste.

Every single one?

Have you seen them all play to be in a position to judge, and if so, have you seen domestic players on the market who are better?

I wouldn't waste your time on him LP, His styles are getting very similar to certain someone

Tell me who you think I am

A chuckle brother?

by Cardiff Dave Sat 27 Apr 2013, 8:04 pm

Allty wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Allty wrote:I do not think NWQ's are of use to Welsh rugby.

They may have been some years back and when they were top quality but the players being brought in now are a waste.

Every single one?

Have you seen them all play to be in a position to judge, and if so, have you seen domestic players on the market who are better?

Whilst the NWQ's are in place there is clearly very little opportunity to see potential regional players perform.

Having watched just about every game played by the regions since their start I just have to say yes I have seen the NWQ's in action.

I don't believe ewe.

by Allty Sat 27 Apr 2013, 8:10 pm

[quote="ScarletSpiderman"]Allty, you either have watched different games than I have or your judgement of usefulness is very different. The Scarlets pack for next season for example-:
J
So I think its fair to say the nwqs are quality and serving a use. Esspecially when you cknsider that inly four kf the next season pack options are nwq.[/quote]

We are looking at things from different angles SS

I have seen no [b]long-term[/b] usefulness brought in by NWQ's

I am not looking at individuals in squads if I were I would say some have been top class.

I am weighing up facts and results

With NWQ's over the last 10 years our regions have got nowhere in the European scheme of things and all appear close to bankruptcy.

My opinion and that of many others is that “Game Time” is very important.

I use the O’s as an example in an argument that pours water over the claims that playing and training with these NWQ’s is of great importance.

The O’s had and maybe still have two squad sessions one with the first team and the other with different coaches and aspiring players which used to take place later in the day the young players hardly met the NWQ stars.

To me the important thing is the outside half factory (Academies) being able to stay open and give today’s Jiffys a chance. This can only happen if our players can see that there is a chance of becoming a regional player

In 4 or 5 years time the Adams Gethins and Phillips’s will be gone and a new group of Samsons will be the stars of tomorrow.

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