England U20 Squad for JWC (Team to face S.A pg 2)

by Cumbrian Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:26 pm

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http://www.rfu.com/news/2013/april/news-articles/260413_eng_20s_jwc_squad#

England Under 20 coaches Nick Walshe and Ian Peel have named their 28-man squad ahead of their IRB Junior World Championship campaign in France, which kicks off with a game against their French hosts on June 5.

The squad contains players with a huge amount of Aviva Premiership, A-League and RFU Championship experience, and Head Coach Walshe is pleased with the players at his disposal as they look to move on from last season’s seventh-place finish.

Eight members of the squad played in last year’s competition while the likes of Jack Nowell, Ben Howard, Jack Clifford, Ollie Devoto and Henry Slade have all played Aviva Premiership rugby over recent weeks.

Walshe said: “We enjoyed a good Six Nations and on the back of that, competition for places has been high and some good players have missed out. However, we’re very pleased with the 28 selected. The games come thick and fast in this tournament, we’ve got a very tough group but we’re excited by that challenge.”

After France, Six Nations winners England face title-holders South Africa before coming up against USA, who are competing in the JWC for the first time in five years.

Walshe added: “All our attention is on that first game against the French, we did well against them in the Six Nations but this will be a totally different game. It’s one we’re looking forward to.”

Forwards
Dom Barrow (Leeds Carnegie)*
Jack Clifford (Harlequins)*
Joel Conlon (Exeter Chiefs)
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)*
Matt Hankin (Saracens)
Alec Hepburn (London Wasps)*
Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints)
Ross Moriarty (Gloucester Rugby)
Nathan Morris (London Wasps)*
Tom Price (Leicester Tigers)
David Sisi (London Irish)*
Tom Smallbone (London Irish)
Scott Spurling (Saracens)
Elliott Stooke (Gloucester Rugby)
Harry Wells (Leicester Tigers)
Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)

Backs
Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby)
Alex Day (Northampton Saints)
Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby)
Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs)*
Will Hooley (Northampton Saints)
Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors)
Mark Jennings (Sale Sharks)
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)*
Harry Sloan (Harlequins)
Tom Stephenson (Northampton Saints)
Anthony Watson (London Irish)

by Cumbrian Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:05 pm

Has somebody put some booze in the kicker's water bottles? That was terrible from the French kicker.

by Cumbrian Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:10 pm

Great try from the rolling maul 10-0 (25-min)

by Cumbrian Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:14 pm

Ref has got to have a word with the French soon? They are giving away a lot of penalties at the breakdown.

by The Saint Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:40 pm

England are very patient with that driving lineout aren't they.

by Cumbrian Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:44 pm

Not very convinced about Cowan-Dickie's throwing at the lineout at all...

by **LondonTiger** Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:56 pm

Not been impressed by england, but the interplay for Clifford's try just then was good

20-6

by The Saint Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:58 pm

Clifford MOTM so far. He's been everywhere.

by Cumbrian Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:09 pm

Looks harsh to me, reckon France should have a try.

by Cumbrian Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:13 pm

Some of these English forwards really do have jubblies for hands, the basics have been shocking at times.

by Cumbrian Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:16 pm

Another lineout lost... picard

by LeinsterFan4life Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:27 pm

Is French rugby in deep trouble?

by **LondonTiger** Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:27 pm

Well that was hard watching.

by thebluesmancometh Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:29 pm

Congrats England, from what I saw looked comfortable, and dealt with a potential banana skin first up.

England are one of my tips to win the tournament, if they could get through this I think they'll have too much for SA, and then the semi's could well be NZ.

by DaveM Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:38 am

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
DaveM wrote:Well credit to the new management team for picking one hooker and two props in the starting line up and having the same on the bench. It may seem basic, but it was apparently beyond Rob Hunter.

I'm not sure about Devoto at FB - he's a decent prospect but I haven't seen evidence he's got the pace to reach international standard at that level. Still the JWC has strange rules so it's difficult to be too critical of any selection at this stage.

Isn't Luke C-D really a prop too, Dave?

I'd say it's fairly clear England see LCD as a hooker going forward.

Too many errors, but not handling wise, it was more decision-making. Early engagement at the first scrum was daft, as was kicking the ball out on the full shortly afterwards, and then two fairly straightforward penalties missed. Then it got worse, with the the penalty they gave away at the start of the second half being ridiculous - secure the ball then kick for territory, don't try and play out from the back with your first play, particularly when your FB has no real pace.

Still, beating the hosts 1st game up is a decent start.

by formerly known as Sam Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:28 am

Did Price get on and if so how did he go? He's highly rated at Tigers but suffered a neck injury on his league debut back in Feb/March time. He's had a couple of games for Notts and played in the Deacon testimonial game since but I've not seen or heard much.

by Cumbrian Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:45 pm

15 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby) 14 Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors) 13 Harry Sloan (Harlequins) 12 Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs) 11 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs) 10 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs) 9 Alex Day (Northampton Saints) 1 Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints) 2 Luke Cowan Dickie (Exeter Chiefs) 3 Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons) 4 Elliott Stooke (Gloucester Rugby) 5 Dominic Barrow (Leeds Carnegie) 6 Ross Moriarty (Gloucester Rugby) 7 Matt Hankin (Saracens) 8 Jack Clifford (Harlequins) (c)

Replacements:
16 Scott Spurling (Saracens) 17 Alec Hepburn (London Wasps) 18 Tom Smallbone (London Irish) 19 Tom Price (Leicester Tigers) 20 Joel Conlon (Exeter Chiefs) 21 Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby) 22 Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby) 23 Henry Purdy (Leicester Tigers)

by formerly known as Sam Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:19 pm

Is there not a better blindside than Moriarty, he got a well deserved red and ban in the 6N and seems to have made a lot of errors and conceded several penalties.

Not helped by the woeful ref but Sisi or Wells must be better options.

by maestegmafia Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:24 pm

Really good come back by England, really tough match...

Boks look very good as per usual.

by Cumbrian Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:24 pm

Ref was so harsh on us at the breakdown, but I don't think he penalised them even once! They seemed to be able to dive off their feet or hang on for as long as they wanted, yet he penalised us at the first hint.

by sickofwendy Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:26 pm

Score?

by maestegmafia Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:33 pm

31-24 to SA

by Hood83 Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:53 pm

Didn't see the game but it's a shame England seem to be falling back at this level a little and the Boks are improving.

by sickofwendy Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:58 pm

Thanks

by formerly known as Sam Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:54 pm

England over complicated their play, made errors and were punished by a ruthless Bok team who set up with a far simpler game plan based on support. Hence why we were caught out at the breakdown and they weren't.

by SecretFly Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:19 pm

England coach Nick Walshe: "After 20 minutes I thought we were the better side for the 60 minutes and they were just magnificent to come back from where we were to how we ended the game."

Can I assume that's an English translation from a French report on an English coach's comments?

by robbo277 Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:51 pm

One thing I noticed today was the scrums went really well with the referee waiting for the scrum to stay stationery before inviting the nine to feed it in. Is this something that's been trialled by the IRB?

by Cumbrian Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:47 pm

I would say that we've still got a good chance of going through as fourth placed runners up as long as no losing teams get two bonus points in the next round of matches. Need to go out and score as many trys as possible against the USA though.

by DaveM Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:33 pm

Terrible start, and I'm not really sure what the ref was doing in the first 20 minutes, but after that I was actually as impressed with the England side as I have been for a couple of years. Pleasing how we came back at the breakdown.

Hopefully the other results will go out way.

by Cumbrian Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:41 pm

Team for the USA game:

15. Ollie Devoto (Bath Rugby)
14. Ben Howard (Worcester Warriors)
13. Tom Stephenson (Northampton Saints)
12. Harry Sloan (Harlequins)
11. Henry Purdy (Leicester Tigers)
10. Will Hooley (Northampton Saints)
9. Alex Day (Northampton Saints, captain)
1. Alec Hepburn (London Wasps)
2. Scott Spurling (Saracens)
3. Tom Smallbone (London Irish)
4. Harry Wells (Leicester Tigers)
5. Tom Price (Leicester Tigers)
6. Ross Moriarty (Gloucester Rugby)
7. Joel Conlon (Exeter Chiefs)
8. David Sisi (Bath Rugby)

Replacements:

16. Nathan Morris (London Wasps)
17. Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (Northampton Saints)
18. Scott Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
19. Dominic Barrow (Leeds Carnegie)
20. Jack Clifford (Harlequins)
21. Callum Braley (Bristol Rugby)
22. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
23. Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)

They are going to have to try and get as many points as they possibly can against the USA.

by Cumbrian Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:06 pm

29-0 after 20 minutes, this isn't pretty for anyone who wants to see rugby spread around the world. I could see England winning this by 70+ points.

by whocares Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:15 pm

Cumbrian wrote:29-0 after 20 minutes, this isn't pretty for anyone who wants to see rugby spread around the world. I could see England winning this by 70+ points.

agree. I started watching this but although england is really solid in what they do, it is really too one-sided. the other game looks more interesting.

by Cumbrian Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:54 pm

I've put on the Ireland/ NZ game, I have no wish to see a bunch of kids downhearted in this manner, even if England are on the winning side.

NZ have really turned it on against the Irish, Savea looks like some player!

by Cumbrian Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:56 pm

I might add that it almost guarantees England's progression to next round.

by Coleman Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:04 pm

This is awful to watch. Poor Yanks.

by HammerofThunor Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:09 pm

England down to 14 without a card? Training for cards?

by Cumbrian Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:17 pm

I had to open my flipping mouth....

by lostinwales Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:31 pm

109-0 ? ouch ...

by Cumbrian Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:35 pm

Ireland and Argentina only got one bonus point a piece which to my reckoning means England are through to the knock out stages.

by HammerofThunor Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:36 pm

Cumbrian wrote:Ireland and Argentina only got one bonus point a piece which to my reckoning means England are through to the knock out stages.

England definitely are. 1st or 2nd depending on France

by Cumbrian Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:41 pm

Good. I tell you what I think this tournament is wide open. NZ looks as beatable as I've seen them at this level and no team looks massively better than the others.

by whocares Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:18 pm

France 7-8 SA at the moment. Game could go either way and france even dominating the ruck and scrum at times.

by SecretFly Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:20 pm

Should Ireland be cheering for France in this one?

by whocares Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:21 pm

SecretFly wrote:Should Ireland be cheering for France in this one?

Not sure as SA also put loads past USA

by Cumbrian Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:29 pm

Ireland need France to beat S.A. by more than 7 points to give Ireland a chance:

http://www.irb.com/jwc/

That would leave S.A on 9 points to Ireland's 10. I am not sure the points difference though, France might then go through.

Edit: no France would be on 9 points too.

by whocares Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:09 pm

France 19 - 18 SA 3rd try by france
Becoming interesting now ... French forwards tearing SA ones appart

by whocares Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:34 pm

Final score 19-26. Good effort but our halfbacks need to have a ROG kicking lesson asap. First time I see a SA team with such a mediocre line out and passive scrum. If they dont fix that they are out next. Their fullback is quite sensational though.

by HammerofThunor Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:36 pm

So England play New Zealand and Wales play South Africa?

by whocares Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:46 pm

Yep thats right Hammer

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:48 pm

whocares wrote:Final score 19-26. Good effort but our halfbacks need to have a ROG kicking lesson asap. First time I see a SA team with such a mediocre line out and passive scrum. If they dont fix that they are out next. Their fullback is quite sensational though.

Whocares, is that enough for you to be playing in 5th-8th playoff as both Scotland and France have the same table points?

by whocares Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:50 pm

Yes ireland-france ans oz-argentina are the 5-8 playoffs

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