Confused about the fly half thing?

by t1000advancedprototype Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:21 am

Excellent tour party. Very glad BOD, POC, Bowe and Lydiate are going.

Only concern is the 10's or lack of...
If Hook isn't there then we will see both Sexton and Farrell involved in every single match day 22?

by TJ1 Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:26 am

I wonder if he has Maitland in mind for back up 10? Who else could play 10? Hogg maybe?

by Looseheaded Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:27 am

Leigh Halfpenny? He seems to step into the role at times when 10 is unavailable

by pbuk0 Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:28 am

Very surprised as no real back up at Fly Half...
Kearney should have been replace by Hook or Twelvetrees who can cover 10..
Don't understand having 3 full backs and only 2 10's..

by t1000advancedprototype Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:32 am

Looseheaded wrote:Leigh Halfpenny? He seems to step into the role at times when 10 is unavailable

I doubt the first choice test 15 will be playing backup 10 in the mid week matches.

by **George Carlin** Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:34 am

Not having three 10s is not the problem - it's not having any obvious footballers who can cover 10 (Hook, Laidlaw, Madigan (10 and 12) and Scott could have done it).

Hogg actually played 10 as a youngster but there's no way that you'd throw him into a test arena.

Wonder if Ladbrokes take bets on who is first on the treatment table? If I was a Waratah loose forward, I'd be sizing up Sexton right now.

by Alex_Germany Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:39 am

George Carlin wrote:

Wonder if Ladbrokes take bets on who is first on the treatment table? If I was a Waratah loose forward, I'd be sizing up Sexton right now.

A sure way to get Mr Wilkinson on the next plane out to Australia.

by twoeightnine Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:42 am

Its the strangest part of the selection. When 3 full backs came out I assumed 3 wings as Hogg can cover both.

I guess that they are planning on the fly half playing the whole game but the odds on one of them picking up a knock and therefore not being able to be on the bench, who covers. No one there that I can see is anything more than a last ditch emergency.

Or maybe its a master plan to bring out Jonny as cover when someone is injured but they didn't want to have to deal with the stuff about him not being available for the HK game?

by chargedowntotheface Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:43 am

My guess is an "addition" after the domestic season finishes. Whether that be English, French or Irish domestic season is anyone's guess

by TJ1 Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:45 am

Has Hogg played wing much? I know he has played 10

could be right about the addition - could be my nightmare - Phillips and Wilko!

by jelly Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:50 am

The only thing you can say with any certainty is that there is absolutely no way that both Sexton and Farrell will be involved in the matchday 22 for every game. How he covers fly half remains to be seen - maybe we can see the fabled skills of Tipuric employed there, or maybe even Tom Croft.

by t1000advancedprototype Tue 30 Apr 2013, 11:58 am

jelly wrote:The only thing you can say with any certainty is that there is absolutely no way that both Sexton and Farrell will be involved in the matchday 22 for every game. How he covers fly half remains to be seen - maybe we can see the fabled skills of Tipuric employed there, or maybe even Tom Croft.

Impossible. Tipuric is favourite to start at 10 for the fist test.

by **George Carlin** Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:06 pm

t1000advancedprototype wrote:
jelly wrote:The only thing you can say with any certainty is that there is absolutely no way that both Sexton and Farrell will be involved in the matchday 22 for every game. How he covers fly half remains to be seen - maybe we can see the fabled skills of Tipuric employed there, or maybe even Tom Croft.

Impossible. Tipuric is favourite to start at 10 for the fist test.

Lydiate could also do it easily. Provided he's not stopping mass famine in the Sudan that day.

by thebluesmancometh Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:13 pm

George Carlin wrote:Not having three 10s is not the problem - it's not having any obvious footballers who can cover 10 (Hook, Laidlaw, Madigan (10 and 12) and Scott could have done it).

Hogg actually played 10 as a youngster but there's no way that you'd throw him into a test arena.

Wonder if Ladbrokes take bets on who is first on the treatment table? If I was a Waratah loose forward, I'd be sizing up Sexton right now.

Me too, Sexton has just come back, I'd be licking my lips looking at Farell the only player behind him and thinking mmm test 10...

by wrfc1980 Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:14 pm

Think this means Wilko is going on the Lions. I bet he will fly out after toulon have played their final game. Its not been announced yet due to the media hype that would generate. Great news if happens.

by beshocked Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:15 pm

George Carlin wrote:
t1000advancedprototype wrote:
jelly wrote:The only thing you can say with any certainty is that there is absolutely no way that both Sexton and Farrell will be involved in the matchday 22 for every game. How he covers fly half remains to be seen - maybe we can see the fabled skills of Tipuric employed there, or maybe even Tom Croft.

Impossible. Tipuric is favourite to start at 10 for the fist test.
Lydiate could also do it easily. Provided he's not stopping mass famine in the Sudan that day.

so true.

by TJ1 Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:18 pm

wrfc1980 wrote:Think this means Wilko is going on the Lions. I bet he will fly out after toulon have played their final game. Its not been announced yet due to the media hype that would generate. Great news if happens.

You might be right but its bloody awful news.

by maestegmafia Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:47 pm

TJ wrote:
wrfc1980 wrote:Think this means Wilko is going on the Lions. I bet he will fly out after toulon have played their final game. Its not been announced yet due to the media hype that would generate. Great news if happens.

You might be right but its bloody awful news.

I'd rather see Stephen Parks than wilkinson, Parks is better at getting the backline moving.

Though I doubt that we will see much of that anyway with Farrell junior on board...!

by RubyGuby Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:49 pm

Phillips and Farrell should get that back line moving thumbsup

by **LondonTiger** Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:50 pm

maestegmafia wrote:I'd rather see Stephen Parks than wilkinson, Parks is better at getting the backline moving.

Though I doubt that we will see much of that anyway with Farrell junior on board...!

??

by **LondonTiger** Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:50 pm

RubyGuby wrote:Phillips and Farrell should get that back line moving

Especially if we have Roberts and Tuilagi in the centre?

by maestegmafia Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:52 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:I'd rather see Dan Parks than wilkinson, Parks is better at getting the backline moving.

Though I doubt that we will see much of that anyway with Farrell junior on board...!

??

Was just chatting a Stephen Parks on the phone. Thanks for being so pedantic..!

by RubyGuby Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:53 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
RubyGuby wrote:Phillips and Farrell should get that back line moving

Especially if we have Roberts and Tuilagi in the centre?

We'll need to put the Aussie backs in treacle to even things out and JD and BOD are hardly going to light the blue touch paper thumbsup

by maestegmafia Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:53 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
TJ wrote:
wrfc1980 wrote:Think this means Wilko is going on the Lions. I bet he will fly out after toulon have played their final game. Its not been announced yet due to the media hype that would generate. Great news if happens.

You might be right but its bloody awful news.

I'd rather see Dan Parks than wilkinson, Parks is better at getting the backline moving.

Though I doubt that we will see much of that anyway with Farrell junior on board...!

by thomh Tue 30 Apr 2013, 12:55 pm

Last time they took two fly halves and then flew Hook out for an injury later on. It could be that they want three fly halves there for the test weeks, but that they don't want to juggle starting all of them in the warm ups, so are waiting for an injury a few weeks in to call Wilkinson up.

Gatland as good as said just now that he's keen for Wilkinson to be there.

by dragonbreath Tue 30 Apr 2013, 1:10 pm

jelly wrote:The only thing you can say with any certainty is that there is absolutely no way that both Sexton and Farrell will be involved in the matchday 22 for every game. How he covers fly half remains to be seen - maybe we can see the fabled skills of Tipuric employed there, or maybe even Tom Croft.

I would rather have Tips playing 10 than Farrell. It says something when your back up 7 has a much wider and accomplished skill set than your back up 10. Gats has had a mare here. Don't know what he he was thinking. Maybe faced with an angry Dad and a man whose ears look like some king of Alien has attached itself to the side of his head he just panicked Headscratch

by **George Carlin** Tue 30 Apr 2013, 1:14 pm

Irvine just gave an interview saying that effectively Wilko had ruled himself out.

I cannot shake the feeling that Wilko has told Gatland he will decide about the Lions once the Top 14 and Heineken Cup finals have been played. Exactly the kind of thing he would do, as a dead-eye pro and older statesman. I would guess that Wilko has been afforded some more time to think.

It's the largest of the reasonably large elephants in the room at the moment.

by SecretFly Tue 30 Apr 2013, 1:15 pm

There are only so many towels available around a pool.

Better to use modern transportation if you need a few extras than risking having fights about towels and inflatable armbands if 78 players show up around the same 4 metre by 3 metre pool

by Luckless Pedestrian Tue 30 Apr 2013, 1:17 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:I'd rather see Dan Parks than wilkinson, Parks is better at getting the backline moving.

Though I doubt that we will see much of that anyway with Farrell junior on board...!

??

Was just chatting up a Stephen Parks on the phone. Thanks for being so pedantic..!

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by lostinwales Tue 30 Apr 2013, 1:21 pm

RubyGuby wrote:Phillips and Farrell should get that back line moving

spot the geologist...

by **LondonTiger** Tue 30 Apr 2013, 1:24 pm

maestegmafia wrote:Was just chatting a Stephen Parks on the phone. Thanks for being so pedantic..!

Apologies for upsetting you. was unsure whether you meant Stephen Jones who is better than any of the contenders at getting his backs into the game (even at 57 and on one leg) or Dan Parks who only gets his backs moving when they chase his kicks.

by maestegmafia Tue 30 Apr 2013, 1:27 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Was just chatting a Stephen Parks on the phone. Thanks for being so pedantic..!

Apologies for upsetting you. was unsure whether you meant Stephen Jones who is better than any of the contenders at getting his backs into the game (even at 57 and on one leg) or Dan Parks who only gets his backs moving when they chase his kicks.

I think old wellies ruled himself out a while ago but as you say has been playing well at Wasps.

I think Madigan, Hodgson and Biggar are better choices than Farrell. But let's give him a chance to shine. I certainly don't agree he is in as good form as others but maybe the coaches believe they can get more from him.

Biggest worry though is his reputation for bottling it in big games.

by **LondonTiger** Tue 30 Apr 2013, 1:33 pm

I doubt there is much to separate Biggar or Farrell, except for the opinions of the coaches.*** Those of us who see the AP will consider Farrell to be more consistent, with the reverse applying for Rabo and Biggar.

Also as fans perception plays a big part. I remember Biggar looking iffy against Tigers, throwing interception passes and missing easy kicks, whilst being OK in the 6Ns but nothing special. Others view Farrell as someone who bottled it against Wales and Toulon.

*** Gatland preferred an out of form Priestland to Biggar in the two AIs he was in full charge for. Andy Farrell is of courser Owen's dad.

by Majestic83 Tue 30 Apr 2013, 1:35 pm

Just been speaking to my mate who was at the press conference. Warren Gatland apparently said to the journos that Stuart Hogg will be used as Fly Half cover when on tour.

He is the only one out of the other backs selected that has any experience of playing 10.

by SecretFly Tue 30 Apr 2013, 1:43 pm

LondonTiger wrote:

*** Gatland preferred an out of form Priestland to Biggar in the two AIs he was in full charge for. Andy Farrell is of courser Owen's dad.

Maybe we'll discover Shaun Edwards is the real driving force behind Wales?

Wouldn't it be embarrassing if Gatland himself was found out to be the joker in the whole Lions deal.

Shaun is another guy left off the plane.

by **rodders** Tue 30 Apr 2013, 2:07 pm

Majestic83 wrote:Just been speaking to my mate who was at the press conference. Warren Gatland apparently said to the journos that Stuart Hogg will be used as Fly Half cover when on tour.

He is the only one out of the other backs selected that has any experience of playing 10.

I think Gats may have injured his head in that ladder fall too......

by beshocked Tue 30 Apr 2013, 2:14 pm

LondonTiger wrote:I doubt there is much to separate Biggar or Farrell, except for the opinions of the coaches.*** Those of us who see the AP will consider Farrell to be more consistent, with the reverse applying for Rabo and Biggar.

Also as fans perception plays a big part. I remember Biggar looking iffy against Tigers, throwing interception passes and missing easy kicks, whilst being OK in the 6Ns but nothing special. Others view Farrell as someone who bottled it against Wales and Toulon.

*** Gatland preferred an out of form Priestland to Biggar in the two AIs he was in full charge for. Andy Farrell is of courser Owen's dad.

Well said LondonTiger. Adding some logic to the discussion.

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