Top 20 Greatest Heavyweights Video
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Top 20 Greatest Heavyweights Video
Here's a present. Interesting to see footage of them all side by side:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSb0fHsYUr0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSb0fHsYUr0
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Cheers mate - interesting to see how fluid Sonny Liston looks when he isnt fighting Ali
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Marciano at 4........
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Helps that he wasnt nearing 50 in those fights, Shah
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Haha thats true but it startling to see how amatuer a very quick fighter can make even greats look.
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In general I agree, but 50-year old Holyfield lost to Valuev, age takes its toll.
I think a prime Liston does a lot better vs Ali.
I think a prime Liston does a lot better vs Ali.
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Liston quit twice..........Ali was the stronger character..............
Always pick Ali to win..
Always pick Ali to win..
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Ali was facing a man twice his age, look at Holyfield, Rahman, Tyson, Even to a degree Foreman.
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Liston was 44...........
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Was liston 44...........
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And thats just the comfirmed age, likely older
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Highly likely might I add
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Liston was 33 and coming off two trashings of a top 20 alltime heavyweight..
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A 180lbs heavyweight,
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Im not saying Ali loses to Liston, Im saying he didnt face peak Liston
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kingraf wrote:A 180lbs heavyweight,
190 pounds...........and so what...........Holy regularly gave 18 pounds a way..........
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Holyfield was 6'2+ apples with carrots
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Gave Lewis three inches and nearly 30 pounds.
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got schooled by Lewis Twice!
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I gave Lewis the draw..................But I gave Holy the second fight.........
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Oh... if you say so.
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Probably rank Holy's victory over Foreman equal with Ali's!
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I don't mind you disagreeing........Just how I called it..........
Holy gave similar weight to Rodrigues, Foreman, Dokes etc..
Holy gave similar weight to Rodrigues, Foreman, Dokes etc..
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I really did suspect you'd bring Foreman up.
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kingraf wrote:Probably rank Holy's victory over Foreman equal with Ali's!
Nope
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Lets agree to disagree. Even though Liston gave a DOB of 1932, for convenience rather than any actual convictionn
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We aren't disagreeing on anything or are we...
Do you see a prime Liston beating Ali ??
Do you see a prime Liston beating Ali ??
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I'd like to say yes to cause an argument, but I know Clay/Ali might have to come in a little under-par for Liston to win. In essence, I dont think best of Sonny beats best of Liston, but I dont think Ali has to be too far off his game for Sonny to win
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