2013 World Snooker Championship Part II

Moving the conversation here..... Come on Barry! Boo him!!!

Bink!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

What a fluke!! Must win frame for Bazza.

The Special Juan wrote:Moving the conversation here..... Come on Barry! Boo him!!!

Say his name, say his name!

FreekShow wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:Moving the conversation here..... Come on Barry! Boo him!!!

Say his name, say his name!

Say his naaaaaaaaame and every (whatever that Florence and the Machine song is).

I sense this match beginning to drift away from Bazza.

Baz has tightened up here, bigtime. 10-7 could be decisive...

Oooooh is it to be a black ball frame?

*throws TV out the window*

Massive shot that. Ronnie now with a decisive 10-7 lead I reckon.

The Special Juan wrote:*throws TV out the window*

Baz needs to strike early tomorrow or it's over...

Got to say Ronnie played that last frame spot on. He kept it tight and ground out that frame - a trait he is normally not so good at.

it has been alot better final then i thought it would be , got to give both players credit for that .

Big day today then. Bazza needs to get 2/3 frames on the board without reply.

I read that Ronnie has made 11 out of the 52 centuries made this year

Yes he now holds the record for the most centuries at the Worlds according to Virgo

That's true and he's only a few off the number for one match but he's still 7 off the overall total for a tournament.

He will have to stay around then

To keep this final competitive Barry Hawkins has to win this afternoon's session. A shared session won't be enough.

Yes i agree Hawkins cant afford to go any further behind in this session ideally he needs two 3 - 1 mini sessions to set up tonight

Ronnie with two easy reds, chose a harder one, lost the frame...

The Millwall fans are in the house again.

That is a sore one for Bazza. Is that the final nail in his coffin?

I'll give you that one Ronald brilliant

Also fair play to Ronnie. I cannot see anyway back for Bazza. That will really have hurt him.

yep if Baz doesn't win this next one then i think it's over

Great effort that by Barry. However, one feels he has to win three out of the next four frames after the interval.

Bazza coughing up too many crucial misses ad feeding Ronnie chances. Sorry but you can't beat Ronnie doing that.

Lets just get things straight as Ronnie looks set for his 5th world title. He has been by far the best player in the tournament and will merit the title but I do feel the standard of snooker now is poor hence Ronnie takes a year out and can still win the title.

Who is there playing the game now to a high standard can lay claim to being an all-time great apart from Ronnie? I can't think of anyone and that is telling. I keep hearing about Ding, Selby, Maguire and Trump all of whom have never won a world title and not really come close so they can be ruled out. So who else is there?

Ronnie will take a 15-10 lead into the final session tonight. Curtains for Bazza surely. He will kick himself letting a couple of frames slip through his fingers.

Selby reached a final once CC and is a much better player these days. Robbo's another one who can challenge, along with the sMurph. Still, this long format separates the great players from the good players and whoever wins is a deserving winner.

The Special Juan wrote:Selby reached a final once CC and is a much better player these days. Robbo's another one who can challenge, along with the sMurph. Still, this long format separates the great players from the good players and whoever wins is a deserving winner.

The interesting question is, will Ronnie be coming back next year for another defence of his World Title or will this year be it for him. Also, what can someone like a Judd Trump, Jack Lisowski, Michael White do to improve their game to have a chance of one day beating O'Sullivan over a long distance semi-final or final match?

The Special Juan wrote:Selby reached a final once CC and is a much better player these days. Robbo's another one who can challenge, along with the sMurph. Still, this long format separates the great players from the good players and whoever wins is a deserving winner.

However TSJ he is not going to be remembered as an all-time great is he? Nobody from the here and now who is still at the top of their game can hold that claim apart from Ronnie which is my point. In the 80's, 90's and even 2000's you had clashes of the titans assured in snooker but nowadays that just isn't the case I am afraid.

gboycottnut wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:Selby reached a final once CC and is a much better player these days. Robbo's another one who can challenge, along with the sMurph. Still, this long format separates the great players from the good players and whoever wins is a deserving winner.

The interesting question is, will Ronnie be coming back next year for another defence of his World Title or will this year be it for him. Also, what can someone like a Judd Trump, Jack Lisowski, Michael White do to improve their game to have a chance of one day beating O'Sullivan over a long distance semi-final or final match?

He'll be long gone before the latter two you've mentioned reach top 16 standard; Whitey has to improve his break building and safety and Jack hasn't had a breakthrough moment yet, but he is good enough. As I've said previously, I don't think Judd's good enough. There's a young Chinese player too - Lu Haotian - who's tipped for great things and we can't forget Luca either. I think Luca's the one to watch, but that's no secret.

CaledonianCraig wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:Selby reached a final once CC and is a much better player these days. Robbo's another one who can challenge, along with the sMurph. Still, this long format separates the great players from the good players and whoever wins is a deserving winner.

However TSJ he is not going to be remembered as an all-time great is he? Nobody from the here and now who is still at the top of their game can hold that claim apart from Ronnie which is my point. In the 80's, 90's and even 2000's you had clashes of the titans assured in snooker but nowadays that just isn't the case I am afraid.

Not yet, but 3 Masters titles and a UK isn't bad. There's more to come from him; he's only 30 and is getting even better I think. The short format these days somewhat lessens the chances of there being any "clash of the titans". Still, I know what you mean; Selby v Robertson is not Higgins v O'Sullivan.

Come on Barry, take it to the final mini session so I can see the flukes montage at the MSI.

Put it another way - line up the contenders of the 90's and you had Hendry, Higgins, Williams, O'Sullivan, White, Doherty, Ebdon, Parrott and early doors Davis. In the here and now the contenders are O'Sullivan, Trump, Selby, Ding, Hawkins, Murphy and you see it hardly has the same ring to it at all. The low century count this year says it all as well.

The Special Juan wrote:

gboycottnut wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:Selby reached a final once CC and is a much better player these days. Robbo's another one who can challenge, along with the sMurph. Still, this long format separates the great players from the good players and whoever wins is a deserving winner.

The interesting question is, will Ronnie be coming back next year for another defence of his World Title or will this year be it for him. Also, what can someone like a Judd Trump, Jack Lisowski, Michael White do to improve their game to have a chance of one day beating O'Sullivan over a long distance semi-final or final match?

He'll be long gone before the latter two you've mentioned reach top 16 standard; Whitey has to improve his break building and safety and Jack hasn't had a breakthrough moment yet, but he is good enough. As I've said previously, I don't think Judd's good enough. There's a young Chinese player too - Lu Haotian - who's tipped for great things and we can't forget Luca either. I think Luca's the one to watch, but that's no secret.

I think Woollaston is one to look out for the future too.

Allen and Ding are still relatively young, one of them could easily push on over the next 2-3 years

Hawkins strikes me as much like Peter Ebdon. A gritty battler and very good player but destined to be a fringe player. I hope I am wrong though.

We'll see how it pans out next year when burnout isn't an excuse.

LastDamnation wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:

gboycottnut wrote:

The Special Juan wrote:Selby reached a final once CC and is a much better player these days. Robbo's another one who can challenge, along with the sMurph. Still, this long format separates the great players from the good players and whoever wins is a deserving winner.

The interesting question is, will Ronnie be coming back next year for another defence of his World Title or will this year be it for him. Also, what can someone like a Judd Trump, Jack Lisowski, Michael White do to improve their game to have a chance of one day beating O'Sullivan over a long distance semi-final or final match?

He'll be long gone before the latter two you've mentioned reach top 16 standard; Whitey has to improve his break building and safety and Jack hasn't had a breakthrough moment yet, but he is good enough. As I've said previously, I don't think Judd's good enough. There's a young Chinese player too - Lu Haotian - who's tipped for great things and we can't forget Luca either. I think Luca's the one to watch, but that's no secret.

I think Woollaston is one to look out for the future too.

Allen and Ding are still relatively young, one of them could easily push on over the next 2-3 years

Allen most certainly, as can Ding, but the longer he keeps disappointing on the big stage, the stronger my fears are he peaked early.

There's an early marker. Come on Bazza, another please to guarantee a MSI.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Hawkins strikes me as much like Peter Ebdon. A gritty battler and very good player but destined to be a fringe player. I hope I am wrong though.

Ebdon won the worlds, made the final another 2 times and won 9 ranking titles. That's hardly a "fringe player"

EDIT: And the UK

TSJ that is presumptious though. I recall Maguire being lauded as the next big thing and he has fallen largely by the wayside, Ding has been coming to The Crucible for seven years now and has yet to make a final, Selby has been knocking on the door for a while but still looks none the closer to cracking the big one. As for the youngsters well they are all unproven as well.

I mute it every time Barry is on a difficult shot so I don't have to hear the inbreds.

LastDamnation wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Hawkins strikes me as much like Peter Ebdon. A gritty battler and very good player but destined to be a fringe player. I hope I am wrong though.

Ebdon won the worlds, made the final another 2 times and won 9 ranking titles. That's hardly a "fringe player"

EDIT: And the UK

I mean 'fringe' as in not making it into the all-time greats bracket of players.