Chisora vs Wilder June 15th

by inman124 Thu 09 May 2013, 1:49 pm

Been confirmed by Mr Warren for this fight to take place at the Wembley Arena. On the undercard is Gavin vs Vassell and a scouse clash with Smith vs Dodson

by **seanmichaels** Thu 09 May 2013, 2:01 pm

Good fight

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Thu 09 May 2013, 2:07 pm

Agreed, cat see it ending too quick unlike Audley so we will at least see how powerful he really is

Chisora looked very poor in his last fight and his limitation are there for all to see. That said he is extremely tough and will come to fight and won't allow Wilder to coast like he could against the opposition he's been in with so far

Wilders chin has question marks, and while Chisora doesn't have real power he will hit him and enough to see if how durable wilder really is and how well his stamina is

by **owen10ozzy** Thu 09 May 2013, 2:14 pm

This can't surely be the headline fight?!

Whilst it will be a decent scrap, whilst it lasts anyway, that is a shockingly poor card. It does go to show how far Warren has fallen in terms of stable of fighters and subsequent ability to put on a show!

Whilst the £10 subscription for his channel gets you plenty of boxing on the other side of the Atlantic...you can see through this card just why he has to focus so much on getting those fights. Because ten quid for garbage like this would be almost robbery. I would be intrigued to see what the ticket prices are like!!

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 09 May 2013, 2:27 pm

Oh no.............Chisora earning good money under false pretences again......

Chisora is Boxing's lottery winner.

by J.Benson II Thu 09 May 2013, 2:28 pm

First time we could see Wilder made to box rather than just look for the KO.
Will be interesting as any outcome won't surprise me.

by Guest Thu 09 May 2013, 2:47 pm

May just bet on the double KO and hope they both rendered unable to darken our doorstep again

by ONETWOFOREVER Thu 09 May 2013, 2:49 pm

I don't see this fight lasting too long in Wilder's advantage.

Can't see what Chisora can bring to trouble the beast that is Wilder.

TRUSS give credit to del boy he don't duck anyone.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 09 May 2013, 2:50 pm

He just doesn't duck...........period!!

by Guest Thu 09 May 2013, 2:50 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I don't see this fight lasting too long in Wilder's advantage.

Can't see what Chisora can bring to trouble the beast that is Wilder.

TRUSS give credit to del boy he don't duck anyone.

You mean, he's so desperate for money he'll fight anyone?

by Champagne_Socialist Thu 09 May 2013, 2:57 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I don't see this fight lasting too long in Wilder's advantage.

Can't see what Chisora can bring to trouble the beast that is Wilder.

TRUSS give credit to del boy he don't duck anyone.
You mean, he's so desperate for money he'll fight anyone?

who cares about the reason, the guy fights every top fighter out there and always puts on a good performance.

by kingraf Thu 09 May 2013, 3:01 pm

Lets go DelBoy lets go *Clap clap*

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 09 May 2013, 3:03 pm

James Tillis fought everybody...

For a lot less money and with better results..

by bhb001 Thu 09 May 2013, 3:05 pm

His performance against Fury was less than inspiring (not that Fury is a top fighter IMHO). He is living off his performance against Vitali and I do find it difficult to understand how this can be a major fight at Wembley!! Mind you, we may look back a his as Wilder's break through fight where we all started taking him seriously. Wilder to win in 3 rounds.

by Guest Thu 09 May 2013, 3:08 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I don't see this fight lasting too long in Wilder's advantage.

Can't see what Chisora can bring to trouble the beast that is Wilder.

TRUSS give credit to del boy he don't duck anyone.
You mean, he's so desperate for money he'll fight anyone?

who cares about the reason, the guy fights every top fighter out there and always puts on a good performance.

Given he's only fought TWO (Vitali and Haye where he was wildly outpointed in one and knocked spark out in the other) I take issue with the words "good performance"

He was expected to lose against Vitali and didn't get KO'd in the first three rounds so somehow it's a superhuman effort from DelBoy. Then he sucker punches Haye after the bell (which many consider a legitimate punch and proof that Haye is chinny cos he was wobbled by it) and he's considered to have put in a performance.

Dear Lord in Heaven

by kingraf Thu 09 May 2013, 3:13 pm

Del Boy will come through. Its major upset time!!!

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 09 May 2013, 3:14 pm

You want him to win??

by kingraf Thu 09 May 2013, 3:19 pm

Not particularly, but picking between Wilder and him is like picking between two devils. Rather the devil you know, no¿

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 09 May 2013, 3:20 pm

Surely Wilder is better for the future of the Heavy division...

you have Fury and Price...you don't need this bad smell.

by Guest Thu 09 May 2013, 3:23 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Surely Wilder is better for the future of the Heavy division...

you have Fury and Price...you don't need this bad smell.

Have you not been on this forum before...opinion is divided as to how much they both suck!

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 09 May 2013, 3:25 pm

Suck less than Chisora............

by **hampo17** Thu 09 May 2013, 3:26 pm

Wilder hits hard and Chisora is there to be hit. Will be interesting to see who gives ground in this one, if Chisora comes forward I see him walking on to big shots, but if Wilder comes forward I don't believe Chisora can fight on the back foot.

by Guest Thu 09 May 2013, 3:27 pm

With options like that, how can we fail to capture a portion of the HW crown?

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 09 May 2013, 3:27 pm

So Chisora is screwed is what you're saying..

by Guest Thu 09 May 2013, 3:31 pm

hampo171 wrote:Wilder hits hard and Chisora is there to be hit. Will be interesting to see who gives ground in this one, if Chisora comes forward I see him walking on to big shots, but if Wilder comes forward I don't believe Chisora can fight on the back foot.

Vitali hit him with big shots and didn't shift him, Haye hit him with big shots and switched the lights out. Wilder is crude and ungainly despite being heavy handed. I see more in the mould of Vitali than Haye punchwise so unless Dereck is being conditioned by Danny Williams, he should be able to withstand Wilder's shots.

Why am I even expressing any interest in this fight? In fact I'm giving myself this as punishment laughing

by Rowley Thu 09 May 2013, 3:33 pm

Genuinely hope Wilder beats him out of sight. Finally sent Audley into retirement so for that I am eternally grateful. If he could do likewise for the genuinely unlikeable Chisora Wilder has the potential to be my favourite ever heavyweight. Am by no means sold on Fury but Del Boy makes him look like bleeding Ali. Minimal power, god awful conditioning and not much in the way of speed. Take away the ability to take a wallop and there really is very little to get excited about. Couple that with him being a thuggish oaf outside the ring and the sooner we are shut of him the better as far as I am concerned.

by **hampo17** Thu 09 May 2013, 3:33 pm

Basically yes Truss.

Chisora walked straight on to Hayes shots and if Wilder has the slightest thought he has him hurt he'll wade in to finish the job.

by **seanmichaels** Thu 09 May 2013, 3:35 pm

Chisora will win this when Wilder gases in the 8th

by AlexHuckerby Thu 09 May 2013, 3:37 pm

Good fight, can't see what the complaining is about. You complain that Wilder doesn't step up his competition, we see in the last two fights he has so it's good. Wilder building a little fanbase over here I guess, he may as well just take on Fury and Price straight after Laugh

by **seanmichaels** Thu 09 May 2013, 3:39 pm

Think Chisora gets a slightly harder time than most. Let's not forget Bruno and Eubanks have both given their other halves a licking in their time.

by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 09 May 2013, 3:40 pm

Chisora is a step up in competition.........

by ONETWOFOREVER Thu 09 May 2013, 4:02 pm

hampo171 wrote:Wilder hits hard and Chisora is there to be hit. Will be interesting to see who gives ground in this one, if Chisora comes forward I see him walking on to big shots, but if Wilder comes forward I don't believe Chisora can fight on the back foot.

If Chisora comes forward? lol

What else can he do?.....dance?...slip and slide?

Hahahaha

by TopHat24/7 Thu 09 May 2013, 4:18 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He just doesn't duck...........period!!

by Mr Bounce Thu 09 May 2013, 4:59 pm

Aside from his lack of footwork, conditioning and general lack of a decent hard punch, Chisora IS a step up in class for Wilder. It will be very interesting if Dereck brings his A game (see the Helenius fight where he was robbed blind).

Chisora's got half a chin on him and can box a little, so I would like to see Wilder's Plan B, if he has one. Could be interesting.

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Thu 09 May 2013, 5:13 pm

Well he isnt likely to stop Dereck in the first round, and Delboy has been in with better opposition than Wilder so wont let the occasion get to him (well not any worse than the haye and Vitali fights) unlike Audley

Stopping him easier or more impressively than Haye would still be mightly impressive

by Strongback Thu 09 May 2013, 5:15 pm

Not a bad matchup. Chisora should make it interesting for a few rounds anyway. Delboy being the first Wilder opponent to be in with a Klitschko makes this a step up.

by bhb001 Thu 09 May 2013, 5:49 pm

off the wall, I know, but I am interested to see if it is a 10 or a 12 round fight! It is only my observation which may be totally wrong, but I keep seeing 10 round fights being 12 round fights for no reason at all. Fury's last several fights have been 12 rounds, but in only three of them (at most) was there anything belt on the line. The last two have both been build eliminators with the last one being for the No. 2 spot! I bet it will be a 12 round fight as it is the headline.

by Champagne_Socialist Thu 09 May 2013, 6:05 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I don't see this fight lasting too long in Wilder's advantage.

Can't see what Chisora can bring to trouble the beast that is Wilder.

TRUSS give credit to del boy he don't duck anyone.
You mean, he's so desperate for money he'll fight anyone?

who cares about the reason, the guy fights every top fighter out there and always puts on a good performance.
Given he's only fought TWO (Vitali and Haye where he was wildly outpointed in one and knocked spark out in the other) I take issue with the words "good performance"

He was expected to lose against Vitali and didn't get KO'd in the first three rounds so somehow it's a superhuman effort from DelBoy. Then he sucker punches Haye after the bell (which many consider a legitimate punch and proof that Haye is chinny cos he was wobbled by it) and he's considered to have put in a performance.

Dear Lord in Heaven

Vitali, Haye, Fury, Helenius are all top fighters in boxing right now. If he fights Wilder that will be 5 top fighters in boxing now in under 20 fights.

by azania Thu 09 May 2013, 6:23 pm

After he is sparked by Wilder he can take a few easy fights tobuild up his resume again. He seems to be thrown in at the deep end all too quickly.

Take a few easy fights and then get thrown in again. I suggest the first of the easy fights which will get his name up in lights (dim lights) should be Price.

by Happytravelling Thu 09 May 2013, 7:06 pm

If "Saint" Deontay isn't in prison, for domestic assault, it should be a good fight, see the headlines from yesterday.

I've not seen much of Wilder so can't comment how good he is but, 70 s bullying possibly the most timid boxer in HW history told me nothing except he can watch videos and knows Audley would run as soon as pressure was put on him.

Whilst it could be his short amateur career, it could be his corner has struggled to make fights, it could be they think quantity rather than quantity would be beneficial for Wilder but, fighting Audley in your 28th fight after picking up an amateur Olympic bronze suggests your corner have some concerns about you. In contrast, I think Del Boy only had 20, much less illustrious amateur fights and look he has fought by his 16th fight....

Wilder is young and has time, so maybe I am being suspicious. But, if Del Boy comes to this fight as he did to the Helenus, Vitali or even Haye fight, we will find out if Wilder is just a hype job or the real deal.

by Happytravelling Thu 09 May 2013, 7:08 pm

And yes Az, Del Boy and his corner do seem intent on the sink or swim attitude to a boxing career. If he genuinely learns from these experiences and his confidence isn't dented, it can only benefit him but one can't help feeling he is biting off more than he can chew.

by PPVxHOTTY Thu 09 May 2013, 7:10 pm

This may be the first fight were we see Wilder go past 4 rounds

by winchester Thu 09 May 2013, 7:14 pm

I think Wilder will knock him out in one or two rounds. Hes got serious power.

by azania Thu 09 May 2013, 7:19 pm

Happytravelling wrote:And yes Az, Del Boy and his corner do seem intent on the sink or swim attitude to a boxing career. If he genuinely learns from these experiences and his confidence isn't dented, it can only benefit him but one can't help feeling he is biting off more than he can chew.

Good to see you back. Good travelling?

There news and current affairs board should interest you. Very Happy

by **hampo17** Thu 09 May 2013, 7:26 pm

Hate to burst the bubble on this but Goldenboy are saying its not true, Franks jumped the gun on this.

by RanjitPatel Thu 09 May 2013, 7:38 pm

Id like to see Chisora come in shape and give it a good go, like in the Helenius fight. Hope he's motivated so it will make for a competitive fight which I'd give him a good chance of winning.
If he doesn't then its an easy points win for Wilder.

by Guest Thu 09 May 2013, 9:35 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He just doesn't duck...........period!!

Haha I enjoyed that post!

by Strongback Thu 09 May 2013, 11:33 pm

Article on ESPN by Dan Rafael

I awoke Thursday to a press release in my inbox from British promoter Frank Warren announcing a “blockbuster” card (aren’t they all?) for June 15 at Wembley Arena in London. The main event, Warren said, would be a heavyweight showdown between England’s Dereck Chisora and American hopeful Deontay Wilder, the untested 2008 U.S. Olympic bronze medalist who has, so far, shown destructive power in his right hand against a series of cream puff opponents.

My initial reaction to reading the release was that I didn’t believe it and my intuition was correct. Warren, as it turns out, was premature in his announcement. Maybe the fight ultimately will happen, but even that doesn’t look good, according to Golden Boy, Wilder’s promoter.

Warren has given all of us good reason to doubt his announcements since he has made so many over the years that simply did not come to fruition, such as the recent debacle with the Ricky Burns-Miguel Vazquez lightweight unification fight, which few believed would take place and then did not.

When I see a Warren release announcing a fight card -- especially with no quotes or confirmation from both sides -- my radar goes up. And it was on red alert after reading Thursday’s missive.

I had just been on the phone with Golden Boy chief executive Richard Schaefer on Wednesday evening and he was going over the company’s upcoming schedule (which is loaded) and Wilder’s name never came up.

So when I checked in with Golden Boy on Thursday after Warren’s announcement the answer from matchmaker Eric Gomez, who was negotiating the deal with Warren matchmaker Dean Powell, was, “No, no deal. They jumped the gun. There's issues with Deontay traveling, because of the arrest. I asked them not to announce until it is resolved. They didn't listen.”

Wilder (28-0, 28 KOs), 27, of Tuscaloosa, Ala., got arrested on Saturday in Las Vegas, where he was in town for the Floyd Mayweather-Robert Guerrero fight. According to the Clark County Detention Center, Wilder was arrested Saturday for “domestic battery by strangulation” and released on a $15,000 bond. Details of the incident are unclear.

Not only is Wilder’s arrest an issue but Gomez said he had just gotten a nine-page contract for the fight on Wednesday that had to be reviewed. Gomez said they had to talk to Wilder’s attorney about the arrest and also have their attorney, Arnold Joseph, go over the contract before the fight could be made.

“I specifically told them do not announce anything,” Gomez said. “We just got the contract and we’re still reviewing it. Right now, the fight’s not looking good, though. I told [Powell] to send over the contract. We did get a contract from them but I told them we still have to resolve the issue of the arrest and also go over the contract.”

Gomez said he and Powell traded several emails on Wednesday with Powell saying they wanted to announce the fight Thursday and Gomez telling him not to.

“We were negotiating the fight and talking and we went over the deal points,” Gomez said. “I said send over a contract and we can start looking at it. They wanted to announce it. I wrote back to him and said, ‘Please don’t announce anything. I’m waiting to hear from [Wilder's] attorney and we need to review the contract.’ They asked again Thursday morning if they could announce it and I said, ‘No, please don’t announce it.’ They just went ahead and announced it and now it looks like there will be an issue.”

Schaefer was also surprised that the fight was announced.

“That’s not something we would do. Why did he announce it when we don’t have a deal,” Schaefer said. “That’s not a way to make deals, it’s a way to kill deals. We sent them like four emails telling them not to announce it and sure enough they go and announce it. They wanted a quote from me for the press release but I wouldn’t give it to them because it wasn’t done.”

Dan Rafael on ESPN

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/3920/wilder-chisora-announcement-premature

Looks like Frank is up to a few of his old tricks.

by azania Thu 09 May 2013, 11:38 pm

I doubt if its a trick from Warren. More like a strategy. At least I hope so. I'd like to see the fight.

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Thu 09 May 2013, 11:42 pm

Dont think Warren can afford to get into trouble with goldenboy

As everyone knows his stable is at its weakest and the big oversea cards are keeping BN from going under, so if things go sour Warren cant afford them to pull out

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