Why does manny's management stipulate weight?

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Why has manny (or at least his management) stipulated weight for his last few fights?

Margarito - 150/1
Cotto -145
DLH - 147

Also why DIDN'T they stipulate a weight for the Clottey fight?

I'm a massive fan of manny's attacking style, I think all the fights would have gone the same way at the full weight but maybe he'd had a bit of harder nights work or less stoppage results.

Thoughts?

Blimey, what has any of the last page got to do with the original question.

A debates a debate, you're never going to convince a die hard fan their guy would get beat. They're not going to read a sentence from someone they've never met and say "actually you've changed my mind he would get beat." You'll never know till FMJ and MP get in the ring.

Back on topic; If a few pounds makes no difference why stipulate it? Cotto was asked outright if the weight had an affect (after press comments after the DLH) fight. Naturally he'd say it has no effect.

Don't detract from the debate, OK MP has more pull on the $$$ side of things but surely any die hard MP fan would agree his his achievements would have been more impressive at the full weight?

Welcome aboard Mickey. Excellent and succint post which answers the OP. But suffice to say MP fans will clutch at straws to say the weight of Cotto had zero effect. The bottom line is we will never know. As such I put an asterix next to many of Pac's wins.

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Why, if it didn't matter one iota, did team Manny enforce a catchweight stip for the fight?

This was exactly my point when I asked D4 the question originally, four times. I doubt anyone really thinks an extra couple of pounds made a difference, but when someone like D4 tries to discredit another boxer's win due to the other guy struggling by a pound or two, then the argument is equally valid in this instance.

The point isn't that the weight stip was why Cotto lost, but rather that if it WAS so ineffectual why have it at all?

azania wrote:Welcome aboard Mickey. Excellent and succint post which answers the OP. But suffice to say MP fans will clutch at straws to say the weight of Cotto had zero effect. The bottom line is we will never know. As such I put an asterix next to many of Pac's wins.

Wasn't it his OP?

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azania wrote:Welcome aboard Mickey. Excellent and succint post which answers the OP. But suffice to say MP fans will clutch at straws to say the weight of Cotto had zero effect. The bottom line is we will never know. As such I put an asterix next to many of Pac's wins.

Wasn't it his OP?

Indeed it was. He answered his own question. Bloomin eck, it took him 100 posts and some P taking on here to get there.

It's not rocket science, IMO.

His team weren't sure how the progession through the weights would work so they opted for 135lb -> 140lb -> 145lb -> 147lb -> 150lb

As it turns out Pac could probably have gone 135lb -> 140lb -> 147lb, but it was obviously a risk that his team didn't want to take.

And I am aware that the Oscar fight was between Pacs 135lb and 140lb fights, but that was a win-win fight and too good to turn down - Pac was a massive, massive underdog so losing wouldn't have been too much of a setback.

Personally, I think fighting Hatton at 140lb then Cotto at 145lb is better than fighting Hatton at 140lb, followed by a weak tune up at 147lb and then Cotto at 147lb. I don't really care about the Margo fight, it was pointless and there was no need for it to be for a title.

wow_junky wrote:It's not rocket science, IMO.

His team weren't sure how the progession through the weights would work so they opted for 135lb -> 140lb -> 145lb -> 147lb -> 150lb

As it turns out Pac could probably have gone 135lb -> 140lb -> 147lb, but it was obviously a risk that his team didn't want to take.

And I am aware that the Oscar fight was between Pacs 135lb and 140lb fights, but that was a win-win fight and too good to turn down - Pac was a massive, massive underdog so losing wouldn't have been too much of a setback.

Personally, I think fighting Hatton at 140lb then Cotto at 145lb is better than fighting Hatton at 140lb, followed by a weak tune up at 147lb and then Cotto at 147lb. I don't really care about the Margo fight, it was pointless and there was no need for it to be for a title.

I think everyone thinks the same on that, the main issue is that if it made no difference then it wouldn't have been in place. The logical inference therefore is that that 145lb stip DID make a difference.

if d4 is fighting manny's corner he will never back down - to the point where he is answering blindly without any consideration that there may be 2 sides to the story.

the fact is he was happy to fight oscar at 147 and clottey but not cotto for a reason.

the same with marg at light middle. yes he is beating these big guys, but apart from cotto, none have been any good by the time he fights them.

his win over hatton was fantastic though, no excuses for that one - even if his training wasnt supposed to be so good. ricky was blown away plain and simple, something that bigger fighters couldnt do