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Quick question - what belts does Froch hold?

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Post by Adam D Tue May 28, 2013 1:00 pm

A bit confused to be honest (not a surprise when belts are involved!)

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Froch

Win 31–2 Mikkel Kessler UD 12 2013-05-25 O2 Arena, London, United Kingdom Retained IBF super-middleweight title.
Won WBA super-middleweight title.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_middleweight

WBA (Super) May 25, 2013 Carl Froch[2] 31-2 (22 KO) 0
WBC Vacant
IBF May 26, 2012 Carl Froch 31-2 (22 KO) 2
WBO March 23, 2013 Robert Stieglitz 44-3 (25 KO) 0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Ward

Win 26–0 Chad Dawson TKO 10 (12), 0:15 2012-09-08 Oracle Arena, Oakland, California Retained WBA (Super), WBC & The Ring super middleweight titles.


From the bbc:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22667716


Ward, the WBA title-holder, was ringside at the O2 but Froch and Kessler, 34, could go again, given the barbaric and dramatic nature of their two fights so far and the fact they are so evenly matched.


So who holds the WBA title? And if its Froch, what does Ward hold?

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Post by Guest Tue May 28, 2013 1:05 pm

Froch holds the "I am a Warrior and shall only speaks favourably to/of other Warriors and all non-Warriors need not bother asking me anything lest my Warrior's refusal to answer them offends their non-Warrior sensibilities." belt.

Wonder if Warrior Clothing and Carl Froch have had a meeting yet as I see a lucrative clothing deal in the pipeline


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Post by seanmichaels Tue May 28, 2013 1:13 pm

Froch is IBF. The WBA belt that Kessler won off Magee is the WBA belt that was made redundant when WBA decided to make a 'Super' belt (Ward).

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Post by JabMachineMK2 Tue May 28, 2013 1:36 pm

WBA playing silly beggars again, when they have a unified champion, they make the person "super" champion of their organisation and free up the regular belt. Case in point - Wladmir Klitschko is WBA "super" while Povetkin is regular. Not sure what happens when Wlad beats Povetkin - if they follow the same formula its pretty obvious they're just making belts for sanctioning fees.

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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue May 28, 2013 2:16 pm

JabMachineMK2 wrote:WBA playing silly beggars again, when they have a unified champion, they make the person "super" champion of their organisation and free up the regular belt. Case in point - Wladmir Klitschko is WBA "super" while Povetkin is regular. Not sure what happens when Wlad beats Povetkin - if they follow the same formula its pretty obvious they're just making belts for sanctioning fees.

Povetkin will probably be able to keep his belt after he loses, because he brings in the dough. Or they'll set him up with some interim title of some sort.

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Post by rob-glos Tue May 28, 2013 2:26 pm

Pretty certain that when the Kessler fight was made there was an agreement that the winner immediately vacate the IBF belt as Froch was meant to defend against Stephenson...

I'll find a link...

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue May 28, 2013 2:27 pm

Remember Ray leonard..."Don't want the belt just wanted to beat him"

Well done Ray..

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Post by rob-glos Tue May 28, 2013 2:33 pm

Right...

So he was meant to vacate the IBF belt:
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/news/2013/02/05/kessler-v-froch-winner-to-vacate-ibf-belt-for-stevenson.html


But apparently that changed because Stevenson is fighting Dawson...
http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-kessler-winner-keep-ibf-belt-stevenson-out--65776

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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue May 28, 2013 2:40 pm

rob-glos wrote:Pretty certain that when the Kessler fight was made there was an agreement that the winner immediately vacate the IBF belt as Froch was meant to defend against Stephenson...

I'll find a link...

Stevenson is now facing Dawson for the WBC at LHW though. Think they know Froch brings in more money.

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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue May 28, 2013 2:41 pm

rob-glos wrote:Right...

So he was meant to vacate the IBF belt:
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/news/2013/02/05/kessler-v-froch-winner-to-vacate-ibf-belt-for-stevenson.html


But apparently that changed because Stevenson is fighting Dawson...
http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-kessler-winner-keep-ibf-belt-stevenson-out--65776
Shoulda read the whole page...

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Post by mikeymax71 Tue May 28, 2013 2:43 pm

The big names out there don't need belts but with fans starting to be more choosy about what fights they pay to watch is forcing promoters to make more competitive fights

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Post by rob-glos Tue May 28, 2013 2:46 pm

AlexHuckerby wrote:
rob-glos wrote:Right...

So he was meant to vacate the IBF belt:
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/news/2013/02/05/kessler-v-froch-winner-to-vacate-ibf-belt-for-stevenson.html


But apparently that changed because Stevenson is fighting Dawson...
http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-kessler-winner-keep-ibf-belt-stevenson-out--65776
Shoulda read the whole page...

Hate it when that happens!!

This is good though...

http://wbanews.com/artman/publish/campionshipSuperChampions/index.shtml

By my reckoning, now that Froch is allowed to keep the IBF and he's taken the 'regular' WBA off Kessler....
He gets to be the WBA Super champion...

Same as Ward...
And the 'regular' WBA belt will be vacant again.

Stupid belts.

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Post by Mr Bounce Tue May 28, 2013 5:00 pm

Nah, they'll probably make Ward the Super Super WBA Super Middleweight Champion and create ANOTHER B****Y BELT!! Shocked boxing

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Post by Duty281 Tue May 28, 2013 5:03 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Remember Ray leonard..."Don't want the belt just wanted to beat him"

Well done Ray..

Quite right as well. These days it's about beating the biggest names and securing your legacy rather than what belts you hold. No one has a clue about the belts these days; there's far too many of them.

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Post by OasisBFC Tue May 28, 2013 6:43 pm

i dont consider froch to be wba champ. ward is until he vacates or loses it.

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Post by irishbrads Wed May 29, 2013 8:05 am

DAVE667 wrote:Froch holds the "I am a Warrior and shall only speaks favourably to/of other Warriors and all non-Warriors need not bother asking me anything lest my Warrior's refusal to answer them offends their non-Warrior sensibilities." belt.

Wonder if Warrior Clothing and Carl Froch have had a meeting yet as I see a lucrative clothing deal in the pipeline


ha ha ha, he does like to, only on the odd occasion mind, refer to himself as a 'warrior' lol

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Post by Union Cane Wed May 29, 2013 8:14 am

Froch is on BBC Breakfast shortly, I will miss it as I'm leaving for work.
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Post by mobilemaster8 Wed May 29, 2013 9:15 am

As far as I was aware kessler was the regular WBA champ after beating mcgee.

Ward was the super champ of the WBA but he was stripped last week ( probably because he has not fought in what seems like a decade).

Therefore the fight winner became IBF and WBA super champ.

Therefore meaning that Ward is NOT a world champion and holds no belts at the weight due to his inactivity.

Basically Froch is a warrior and holds two of the four belts.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Wed May 29, 2013 9:16 am

To be fair I could be wrong and it could be the WBC he was stripped of......not sure.

The belts are a joke.

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