Liverpool Thread: Road to thinking we might get top 4, only to feel stupid at the end of the season

by **Crimey** Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:52 pm

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by Guest Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:09 pm

Anyone see Suarez vs Jordan. Back to his old tricks I hear. Disappointing, just not needed.

by nasisillmatic Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:45 am

John wrote:Anyone see Suarez vs Jordan. Back to his old tricks I hear. Disappointing, just not needed.

I haven't seen or heard anything. What did he do?

by Guest Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:26 pm

Apparently one of his worst dives ever, haven't seen the video yet. Just disappointing, if true.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:06 pm

John wrote:Apparently one of his worst dives ever, haven't seen the video yet. Just disappointing, if true.

Sort it out John! Your fascination with Suarez is pathetic.

by Guest Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:51 pm

Fascinated by Suarez???? Not sure where that's come from, just stated he's a great player but once again lets himself down through blatant cheating. How am I pathetic exactly? It's played out exactly how I imagined it would anyway with Suarez, fans wanted him gone but he comes back, guides the team to second in the table & they want to sweep the behaviour back under the carpet. He'll leave Liverpool just as quick as you've changed your tune on him.

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:57 pm

John wrote:Fascinated by Suarez???? Not sure where that's come from, just stated he's a great player but once again lets himself down through blatant cheating. How am I pathetic exactly? It's played out exactly how I imagined it would anyway with Suarez, fans wanted him gone but he comes back, guides the team to second in the table & they want to sweep the behaviour back under the carpet. He'll leave Liverpool just as quick as you've changed your tune on him.

Because you havent even seen the dive yet and you couldn't wait to post something. Havent heard anything apart from your post so it doesnt look like it was that news worthy, even for Suarez. Hence your unheathly fascination. Bet you would love him at then Toon though!

Drag up one post where I wanted him to leave at any stage.

by nasisillmatic Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:54 pm

I've been on BBC and Sky and cannot find anything on this. If it was really that bad I'm sure it would've been breaking news on Sky.

by Guest Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:13 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2506050/Jordan-0-Uruguay-5--World-Cup-play-match-report-Luis-Suarez-dive.html

Why would it be breaking news on Sky? It's only a dive against Jordan, it's not a typhoon killing 20,000 people.

Basically been on a host of media sites, including dailymail etc reporting on it. I was just stating it's another incident that's all, which is disappointing. Then, I get a barrage of attack from an idiot, stating I have some kind of fascination with Suarez. He punches a Paraguayan player in the game before & now this dive. I'm allowed to talk about it, am I not?

Embarrassing, but nothing I wouldn't expect from a Liverpool fan, who's side is carried by this man. Also, no I wouldn't want him at Newcastle because it's antics are disgusting & he would only play for us for a year before he'd leave anyway for a much bigger club, if he had to join.

by **hampo17** Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:20 pm

John, why are people making such a big deal out of Suarez diving, compared to say Ashley Young? Young who is just as bad, if not worse barely gets any mention yet Suarez gets crucified. Double Standards? Maybe.

I'm sure if Suarez was to turn around tomorrow and sign for Newcastle, your tune would change. He'd lift your side from a mid table team to a team able to challenge for european football, I hardly think you'd be demanding he left the club because he dived occasionally.

by Guest Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:31 pm

Look, I wish I'd never asked people if they'd seen the incident, especially on this page. Young has been slated this season & after the Sociedad game, vilified by United fans in fact. Also, we had all that, 'dive harder' news stories etc mock ups in the papers, so suggesting double standards is wrong.

I guess, we should just accept it then this level of behaviour in the game, if people aren't so concerned by the continuation of it.

Yeah, Suarez at Newcastle would improve us, no doubting that. He's world class. Problem is he would never join us in the first place because we couldn't afford him & even if he did, he would stay for a year, therefore there would be no point at all in him coming.

Just forget the whole dive debate or argument shall we. Nobody seems interested.

by **hampo17** Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:37 pm

I haven't said I'm not interested, it just seems that Suarez gets vilified in our media for absolutely everything yet Young doesn't get it half as bad. Ramirez has practically been forgotten, but that's life.

I'd love to see diving out of the game for good but 9/10 of players will say they saw the defender coming and did what they did to avoid serious injury.

by nasisillmatic Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:32 am

When I mentioned Sky I obviously meant SSN. If the Mail are the only ones reporting it then it sums up how much of a non story it must be.

by Guest Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:00 pm

It was on more than the Mail & on numerous sporting webpages, I was just using it as an example. It doesn't matter anyway now.

Look, Suarez & his ability I love, just wish he'd cut the other parts of his game out now & just learn from his mistakes, that's all. It didn't need an aggressive reaction from a certain person on here but anyway. Let's move on.

by **Kenny** Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:50 pm

Suarez is always going to provoke disagreements simply because of his character ( which isn't going to change no matter what ) in that he just can't seem to help himself he will always fall back into doing something that annoys someone .

Do i support him ? His actions absolutely NO , When he scores a goal for Liverpool YES .......that doesn't meen me or any other supporter condones what he does it just meens that we support our club .

It could be any player at any club if you are that clubs supporter you support them .

Suarez will leave Liverpool at some point and as long as we get the best price for him we can then that's fine by me .......as i have said numerous times for me every player has a price and i don't have a problem selling anyone as NO-ONE is bigger then the club , players come and players go and we always replace them no-one has been irreplaceable and no-one will ever be .

Lets just put a line under it now .

by lfc91 Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:23 pm

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25032506

Surprised this hasnt been posted yet but looks like enrique needs knee surgery. No mention of time frame but you would suspect a few months at least! Big blow for us, leaving cisshko as our first choice LB. Hasnt looked good for us in my opinion. Thoughts?

by Guest Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:35 pm

Cisshoko hasn't grown into the team as well as I thought he would so it's a concern. At a push you could have Johnson at LB and Flanagan at RB but it's hardly ideal.

Still, the idea of bringing Wisdom back in isn't something that inspires confidence either.

Anyway, good luck to Jose and a speedy recovery

by nasisillmatic Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:40 pm

Gutted for Jose and it's a big blow. While he can have lapses in concentration when defending, his forward play is quality and we're a worse team without it.

by lfc91 Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:47 pm

What about agger or sahko out there? Im not usually a fan of playing a cb at wingback because you dont get the same attacking play etc, but seeing as cissohko has been pretty poor i wouldnt mind trying it. Plus would mean all 3 of our main cbswould be playing so no one gets disheartened!

by **Kenny** Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:04 am

I think both Agger and Sakho could do a good job at left back /wing back , but i think he will stick with Cissohko for the Everton game . Personally i would to see a back 3 of Skrtel Agger Sakho as i think Lukaku will give us all sorts of problems

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:40 am

Kenny wrote:I think both Agger and Sakho could do a good job at left back /wing back , but i think he will stick with Cissohko for the Everton game . Personally i would to see a back 3 of Skrtel Agger Sakho as i think Lukaku will give us all sorts of problems

I would like to see Sakho's sole priority to be Lukaku. Sakho has got great physical attributes which would hopefully nullify Lukaku's. Keeping him quiet would vastly increase our chances of getting the result.

by lfc91 Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:18 pm

Yeah think we can all agree sahko would be a good choice to keep an eye on lukaku, so maybe 3 CB would be a good shout. Sturridge may not feature though apparently played through an injury for england. Would be a real shame if he missed the derby because he played in an international friendly that he could have missed!

by LivinginItaly Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:15 pm

It's a problem for Liverpool. I have not been convinced by the three cb strategy but I also think that Cissohko has been pretty poor.

by LivinginItaly Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:02 pm

Great game by flanagan. The obvious solution at left back....

by lfc91 Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:20 pm

Great game for the neutrals. We looked terrible at the back, everton could have had 6! Also, i cant quite think of the right words to describe how bad allen is! Brings nothing to the team and loses the ball time and time again because hes not strong enough.

by **Kenny** Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:17 pm

only listened to it on the radio , anyone seen the Mirrelas ( spelling ) challenge on Suarez ?

by **hampo17** Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:27 pm

Here's a picture Kenny.

pic.twitter.com/ieJ5EliVjB

by lfc91 Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:32 pm

Think it was one of those challenges that could have been yellow or red. I thought it was a red but im not exactly neutral! He was lucky to stay on the pitch in general though could have had a second yellow.

by **hampo17** Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:35 pm

A couple of my mates who are United fans were shocked it wasn't a red card, I personally feel he bottled it under pressure from the Goodison crowd.

by lfc91 Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:39 pm

If utd fans are saying it then it must have been a red!! All in all im happy with a draw, could have easily lost that game. Next 3 games all games you would expect 3 points from just need to make sure we dont slip up and we will be in a great spot come xmas.

by **Crimey** Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:41 pm

It has to be red really, I don't think there is any debate, it's high and dangerous, he could have broken Suarez's leg.

It was a good game but a frustrating one, had Allen put that away it'd have been 3-1 and home and dry, instead we scraped a draw in the last minutes. Defensively really poor, just couldn't deal with balls put into box. From the first corner I said it was odd that Johnson was the one chosen to mark Lukaku, I assume Agger and Skrtel were on the centre backs but Lukaku is clearly the bigger threat, get a centre back on him.

Suarez's free kick was excellent, I think you can claim it's a problem with the wall but there are very few players in the world that would even be able to think of doing that, never mind pull it off with the other-worldly bend on it.

Flanagan started really poorly and grew into the game to have a really good game, would still probably rather see Sakho there. Cissokho should be given another chance as well, but I think he was brought in with the 3 man defence in mind, don't want to see us go back to that.

by Guest Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:04 am

After all the talk prior to the game about LB concerns, for me, it was Johnson who had an absolute stinker. He's clearly a better player than his performance of Saturday but if I was singling out players for criticism (as a complete nobody I'm perfectly within my rights to do so) it would be him.

Lucas at times was superb and then reverted to type giving away stupid freekicks in dangerous areas.

Also thought Henderson needed a slap for the mis-kick with gave Everton a chance, for wich came the corner and the equalizer.

Great game only made palatable due to Utd's woes on Sunday

by nasisillmatic Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:00 pm

Didn't think we played well at all, but admired the attitude of the players when we went behind, we didn't accept it and got ourselves back in it. I think a draw was the fairest result either way.

I was livid at Sturridge for doing that dance when he scored. Get the ball and out of the net and try and get a winner you pr1ck

by Guest Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:14 pm

I agree than in times gone by a lot of them would have given up but I'm slowing coming round to the idea that they genuinely have a will to win (if not the actual depth in squad to acheive it)

Wonder if Rodgers will persist with Allen. Hull up next which should give him a bit of a confidence boost but I think much of the improvement needs to come from Allen himself. Downing pulled his socks up and fought for his place. Henderson has shown great resilience to overcome a poor start. I think the likes of Allen and Aspas need to look at some of the others in the squad and adopt a slight tougher mental attitude.

Still, on the whole, I'm feeling positive

by lfc91 Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:20 pm

To be honest with allen i just dont think hes good enough to play for liverpoo! Reminds me of the charlie adam situation, that the both looked great playing in average teams but arent cut out for the top top level which is where liverpool are trying to be. Everytime he plays he loses the ball so much due to his slight build and lack of strength. Plus doesnt provide much in the way of forward passes!!

by **Crimey** Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:12 pm

I'll be surprised (and disappointed) if Allen is still here next year. Rodgers has given him enough chances and he has shown time and time again he is out of his depth. Downing and Carroll didn't get this many opportunities, he has to go.

by Guest Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:53 pm

lfc91 wrote:To be honest with allen i just dont think hes good enough to play for liverpoo! Reminds me of the charlie adam situation, that the both looked great playing in average teams but arent cut out for the top top level which is where liverpool are trying to be. Everytime he plays he loses the ball so much due to his slight build and lack of strength. Plus doesnt provide much in the way of forward passes!!

I'd rather have kept Jay Spearing who, whilst not the most skillful of players, was at least a real battlerand not afriad to get stuck in.

by lfc91 Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:35 pm

Its a sad day indeed when jay spearing seems the better option than a first 11 player currently at lfc!! I actually agree with you though, would also rather have kept shelvy. Every man and his dog can see that allen is out of his depth, and rodgers reluctance to accept this is really starting to grate on me! Hopefully we have money to spend in january, IMO we could do with a new central midfielder and new winger.

by Guest Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:46 pm

Is Alberto to be used only in case of emergency or is there an argument for him to be played at the same time as Gerrard rather than instead of?

by **Crimey** Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:00 pm

I'd like to see more of Alberto, whenever I've seen him I've really liked the look of him, he's a bit like Suso who is apparently playing really well in Spain. Them two as well as Coutinho will hopefully provide a lot of creativity for years to come.

To be fair to Rodgers, and I don't normally stick up for him, he hadn't played Allen all year until this game. I'm not sure he rates him that highly any more and he's definitely on his last chances now. I can see him being sold in the summer, Rodgers has lost faith in him, simply doesn't cut it.

by **Kenny** Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:22 pm

Will be taking my lad to the Hull City game on saturday hopefully we will be upsetting the father in law cheering in the Red goals

by nasisillmatic Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:38 pm

I think we need a holding midfielder for certain.

by **Kenny** Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:57 pm

nasisillmatic wrote:I think we need a holding midfielder for certain.

Agree , sadly it wont be Xabi Alonso as he has agreed a new deal at Real

by **Crimey** Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:28 pm

I think we certainly need one for cover as Allen isn't good enough, I like the pivoting two of Gerrard and Lucas and while Gerrard is around, no deep lying midfielder is going to be able to assert themselves into the Liverpool team.

by Guest Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:32 pm

You linked with Yann M'Vila? He was at the game this weekend wasn't he? He's got his pay packet in Russia & now wants to get serious with his career. Not sure who would touch Allen nowadays, truly shocking player. Fear, like the Carroll deal, your going to take a big hit on that £15m. Actually just thinking about it.....£15m Laugh

by lfc91 Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:52 pm

The reason he hasnt been playing allen is more down to injuries crimey. The fact that he went straight back into the team, when only really back a few weeks (and in a derby no less which is no game for a lightweight) tells me that unfortunatley BR still rates him.

by Guest Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:27 am

Rodgers got a half decent game out of Downing towards the end and he's got Henderson playing some good football (despite what Fergie says about his running style). Sturridge is now living up to the promise that many felt he showed as a youngster. Is getting the best out of Allen a step too far for Brendan.

Given our current form and the positivity surrounding the team, you have to think that he's experienced and determined enough to make the big decisions and say "No more I'm afraid!"

by nasisillmatic Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:22 pm

Kenny wrote:
nasisillmatic wrote:I think we need a holding midfielder for certain.
Agree , sadly it wont be Xabi Alonso as he has agreed a new deal at Real

I don't think Alonso is what we need anyway, he likes to play alongside a holding midfielder, and I wouldn't trust him and Lucas as a partnership.

I wouldv'e liked us to try and get De Jong before he signed for Milan.

by mystiroakey Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:56 pm

Can you keep hold of Suarez in the window lads?

by nasisillmatic Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:38 pm

I think he will see out the season. We've had a good start and he is playing well again so I see no reason why he'd want to leave in January, but we can never be sure.

by Guest Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:26 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Can you keep hold of Suarez in the window lads?

Easily in my opinion. Big business will be done after the WC.

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