Hennessey, Fury & Adam Booth interview on iFilm

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Nice that Kugan got them all together. Personally I am not convince that Mick will make this. Fury is saying what he always does, but you know Booth and Haye want it. I don't feel the same about Mick from this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQfl57ryjcA

winchester wrote:Why dont the Klitschkos just offer Fury a match if they are keen to fight him? The fact they are trying to get him to fight others first show they are trying to prolong facing him. Theres two of them fighting several times a year. For the last couple of years how many chances did they have to challenge Fury to a match and didnt? Instead they fight sparring partners or guys like Chisora who Fury has already beat. They are probably hoping someone else beats Fury for them like when Valuev was around.

Fury is the challenger if he wants to fight Klitschko he needs to get into a mandatory position, the fact Fury is avoiding fights that would get him to mandatory and instead taking on a fight with Haye shows that Fury is not that bothered in fighting Klitschko.

winchester wrote:Who wants to see Haye face a Klitschko again. Its already happened and was dull. Haye didnt come close to winning so theres no point in going through that again. Fury has the size and strength to cause one of the Klitschkos much more problems and he is one of the big names in the division now. Him against a Klitschko is a much more interesting fight. Fury against Haye is also a great fight. Fury has much more balls than the Klitschkos. He will not be frightened of a man half his size like Wladimir Klitschko was. Fury will not jab away at him from a distance. He will go to knock Haye out. This will make for a much more entertaining fight because it will give Haye the chance to land one of his hayemakers on Fury. You can bet the fight wont go the distance. One of those boys is getting knocked out. Furys much bigger size and strength will be crucial.

That would make Fury some kind of a freak then, the Klitschkos combined have 4 balls, are you telling me Fury has 5? I would be quite suprised if you could see them considering how far up in his arris you are though...

Think Winchester has a point in a funny kind of way. Apart from Povetkin, if you had to pick the next opponent for them, who would it be? Over to you......

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:Why dont the Klitschkos just offer Fury a match if they are keen to fight him? The fact they are trying to get him to fight others first show they are trying to prolong facing him. Theres two of them fighting several times a year. For the last couple of years how many chances did they have to challenge Fury to a match and didnt? Instead they fight sparring partners or guys like Chisora who Fury has already beat. They are probably hoping someone else beats Fury for them like when Valuev was around.

Fury is the challenger if he wants to fight Klitschko he needs to get into a mandatory position, the fact Fury is avoiding fights that would get him to mandatory and instead taking on a fight with Haye shows that Fury is not that bothered in fighting Klitschko.

I think Fury knows the Klitschkos wont fight him. I wouldnt be surprised if they retired before fighting any of the new crop of heavyweights coming through. They are hoping the new guys will fight it out amongst themselves to keep them occupied while the they can hang on a bit longer. I think thats Fury is going after Haye. He is making his own name rather than being forced to fight a load of different guys while the Klitschkos fight sparring partners. If Chisora can get a shot after Fury beat him then it says it all that Fury hasnt got one. I think the Klitschkos are hoping Haye does their work for them like did with Valuev. Or maybe that Wilder will call out Fury.

We already have davide, Mate...

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:Why dont the Klitschkos just offer Fury a match if they are keen to fight him? The fact they are trying to get him to fight others first show they are trying to prolong facing him. Theres two of them fighting several times a year. For the last couple of years how many chances did they have to challenge Fury to a match and didnt? Instead they fight sparring partners or guys like Chisora who Fury has already beat. They are probably hoping someone else beats Fury for them like when Valuev was around.

Fury is the challenger if he wants to fight Klitschko he needs to get into a mandatory position, the fact Fury is avoiding fights that would get him to mandatory and instead taking on a fight with Haye shows that Fury is not that bothered in fighting Klitschko.

I think Fury knows the Klitschkos wont fight him. I wouldnt be surprised if they retired before fighting any of the new crop of heavyweights coming through. They are hoping the new guys will fight it out amongst themselves to keep them occupied while the they can hang on a bit longer. I think thats Fury is going after Haye. He is making his own name rather than being forced to fight a load of different guys while the Klitschkos fight sparring partners. If Chisora can get a shot after Fury beat him then it says it all that Fury hasnt got one. I think the Klitschkos are hoping Haye does their work for them like did with Valuev. Or maybe that Wilder will call out Fury.

Are you just refusing to look at the facts? Fury needs to beat 1 guy, Pulev, and then Fury is the mandatory to fight klitschko and klitschko would be forced to fight him. If Fury wanted to fight the Klitschkos he would beat Pulev and become the mandatory but he instead pulled out of the fight.

You keep saying Klitschko wont fight him but you keep overlooking the fact that klitschko would be FORCED to fight fury if fury beats pulev.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:Why dont the Klitschkos just offer Fury a match if they are keen to fight him? The fact they are trying to get him to fight others first show they are trying to prolong facing him. Theres two of them fighting several times a year. For the last couple of years how many chances did they have to challenge Fury to a match and didnt? Instead they fight sparring partners or guys like Chisora who Fury has already beat. They are probably hoping someone else beats Fury for them like when Valuev was around.

Fury is the challenger if he wants to fight Klitschko he needs to get into a mandatory position, the fact Fury is avoiding fights that would get him to mandatory and instead taking on a fight with Haye shows that Fury is not that bothered in fighting Klitschko.

I think Fury knows the Klitschkos wont fight him. I wouldnt be surprised if they retired before fighting any of the new crop of heavyweights coming through. They are hoping the new guys will fight it out amongst themselves to keep them occupied while the they can hang on a bit longer. I think thats Fury is going after Haye. He is making his own name rather than being forced to fight a load of different guys while the Klitschkos fight sparring partners. If Chisora can get a shot after Fury beat him then it says it all that Fury hasnt got one. I think the Klitschkos are hoping Haye does their work for them like did with Valuev. Or maybe that Wilder will call out Fury.

Are you just refusing to look at the facts? Fury needs to beat 1 guy, Pulev, and then Fury is the mandatory to fight klitschko and klitschko would be forced to fight him. If Fury wanted to fight the Klitschkos he would beat Pulev and become the mandatory but he instead pulled out of the fight.

You keep saying Klitschko wont fight him but you keep overlooking the fact that klitschko would be FORCED to fight fury if fury beats pulev.

Fury cant be sure of that. If the Klitschko brothers wanted to face him they had plenty of opportunities already. The fact that Chisora got given a match ahead of Fury I think proves the point. What the Klitschkos are doing is a similar thing to what they did when Valuev was around. Avoid him as long as possible and hope somebody else beats him first. Fury want big fights and to make a name for himself. Thats why he is going after Haye. It woul be a huge fight. Why should he fight some other guy in a rubbish fight when the Klitschkos dont want to face him. He could be waiting years. Look how long Haye had to wait. Haye and Fury are doing the right thing by fighting each other in a massive fight and getting on with things themselves. Wilder is doing the same by calling out Fury. They are making their own names without the Klitschkos. Hopefully the winner of Fury and Haye will fight Wilder.

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:Why dont the Klitschkos just offer Fury a match if they are keen to fight him? The fact they are trying to get him to fight others first show they are trying to prolong facing him. Theres two of them fighting several times a year. For the last couple of years how many chances did they have to challenge Fury to a match and didnt? Instead they fight sparring partners or guys like Chisora who Fury has already beat. They are probably hoping someone else beats Fury for them like when Valuev was around.

Fury is the challenger if he wants to fight Klitschko he needs to get into a mandatory position, the fact Fury is avoiding fights that would get him to mandatory and instead taking on a fight with Haye shows that Fury is not that bothered in fighting Klitschko.

I think Fury knows the Klitschkos wont fight him. I wouldnt be surprised if they retired before fighting any of the new crop of heavyweights coming through. They are hoping the new guys will fight it out amongst themselves to keep them occupied while the they can hang on a bit longer. I think thats Fury is going after Haye. He is making his own name rather than being forced to fight a load of different guys while the Klitschkos fight sparring partners. If Chisora can get a shot after Fury beat him then it says it all that Fury hasnt got one. I think the Klitschkos are hoping Haye does their work for them like did with Valuev. Or maybe that Wilder will call out Fury.

Are you just refusing to look at the facts? Fury needs to beat 1 guy, Pulev, and then Fury is the mandatory to fight klitschko and klitschko would be forced to fight him. If Fury wanted to fight the Klitschkos he would beat Pulev and become the mandatory but he instead pulled out of the fight.

You keep saying Klitschko wont fight him but you keep overlooking the fact that klitschko would be FORCED to fight fury if fury beats pulev.

Fury cant be sure of that. If the Klitschko brothers wanted to face him they had plenty of opportunities already. The fact that Chisora got given a match ahead of Fury I think proves the point. What the Klitschkos are doing is a similar thing to what they did when Valuev was around. Avoid him as long as possible and hope somebody else beats him first. Fury want big fights and to make a name for himself. Thats why he is going after Haye. It woul be a huge fight. Why should he fight some other guy in a rubbish fight when the Klitschkos dont want to face him. He could be waiting years. Look how long Haye had to wait. Haye and Fury are doing the right thing by fighting each other in a massive fight and getting on with things themselves. Wilder is doing the same by calling out Fury. They are making their own names without the Klitschkos. Hopefully the winner of Fury and Haye will fight Wilder.

He would be the mandatory meaning Klitschko would have to face him or be stripped of his belts which he would never let happen and if he did then that means Fury is world champion.

Gordy is getting a good run for his money in the ATG WUM stakes.

Champagne seems to be taking him seriously..

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:Why dont the Klitschkos just offer Fury a match if they are keen to fight him? The fact they are trying to get him to fight others first show they are trying to prolong facing him. Theres two of them fighting several times a year. For the last couple of years how many chances did they have to challenge Fury to a match and didnt? Instead they fight sparring partners or guys like Chisora who Fury has already beat. They are probably hoping someone else beats Fury for them like when Valuev was around.

Fury is the challenger if he wants to fight Klitschko he needs to get into a mandatory position, the fact Fury is avoiding fights that would get him to mandatory and instead taking on a fight with Haye shows that Fury is not that bothered in fighting Klitschko.

I think Fury knows the Klitschkos wont fight him. I wouldnt be surprised if they retired before fighting any of the new crop of heavyweights coming through. They are hoping the new guys will fight it out amongst themselves to keep them occupied while the they can hang on a bit longer. I think thats Fury is going after Haye. He is making his own name rather than being forced to fight a load of different guys while the Klitschkos fight sparring partners. If Chisora can get a shot after Fury beat him then it says it all that Fury hasnt got one. I think the Klitschkos are hoping Haye does their work for them like did with Valuev. Or maybe that Wilder will call out Fury.

Are you just refusing to look at the facts? Fury needs to beat 1 guy, Pulev, and then Fury is the mandatory to fight klitschko and klitschko would be forced to fight him. If Fury wanted to fight the Klitschkos he would beat Pulev and become the mandatory but he instead pulled out of the fight.

You keep saying Klitschko wont fight him but you keep overlooking the fact that klitschko would be FORCED to fight fury if fury beats pulev.

Fury cant be sure of that. If the Klitschko brothers wanted to face him they had plenty of opportunities already. The fact that Chisora got given a match ahead of Fury I think proves the point. What the Klitschkos are doing is a similar thing to what they did when Valuev was around. Avoid him as long as possible and hope somebody else beats him first. Fury want big fights and to make a name for himself. Thats why he is going after Haye. It woul be a huge fight. Why should he fight some other guy in a rubbish fight when the Klitschkos dont want to face him. He could be waiting years. Look how long Haye had to wait. Haye and Fury are doing the right thing by fighting each other in a massive fight and getting on with things themselves. Wilder is doing the same by calling out Fury. They are making their own names without the Klitschkos. Hopefully the winner of Fury and Haye will fight Wilder.

Haye became a HW in 2008 and was offered a fight and all the contracts were signed in 2009 but Haye was the one who pulled out. But don't let facts ruin your story.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Champagne seems to be taking him seriously..

I have ignored him in the past and mocked his views but I think maybe if we expose his views as utter trash he might shut up.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Champagne seems to be taking him seriously..

I have ignored him in the past and mocked his views but I think maybe if we expose his views as utter trash he might shut up.

Maybe we could have turned Bin Laden into a peace loving Christian If we'd had a fireside chat and a coffee with him..

When was the last time one of the brothers refused to fight a mandatory challenger. Am I seriously being asked to believe they will buck the habit of a lifetime and give up one of the belts they have worked the last seven years earning and defending over Tyson Fury?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Champagne seems to be taking him seriously..

I have ignored him in the past and mocked his views but I think maybe if we expose his views as utter trash he might shut up.

Maybe we could have turned Bin Laden into a peace loving Christian If we'd had a fireside chat and a coffee with him..

haha yeh you are right debating with Winchester is pointless, the same as debating with Gordy was pointless.

Rowley wrote:When was the last time one of the brothers refused to fight a mandatory challenger. Am I seriously being asked to believe they will buck the habit of a lifetime and give up one of the belts they have worked the last seven years earning and defending over Tyson Fury?

In Winchester's world the Klitschkos are running scared of Fury and would dump their belts instead of fighting him haha.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Gordy is getting a good run for his money in the ATG WUM stakes.

Well, consdiering it is Gordy's new alias...

At least people notice Gordy......Others seem to struggle no matter how hard they try..

Has davide bought the farm ??

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:Why dont the Klitschkos just offer Fury a match if they are keen to fight him? The fact they are trying to get him to fight others first show they are trying to prolong facing him. Theres two of them fighting several times a year. For the last couple of years how many chances did they have to challenge Fury to a match and didnt? Instead they fight sparring partners or guys like Chisora who Fury has already beat. They are probably hoping someone else beats Fury for them like when Valuev was around.

Fury is the challenger if he wants to fight Klitschko he needs to get into a mandatory position, the fact Fury is avoiding fights that would get him to mandatory and instead taking on a fight with Haye shows that Fury is not that bothered in fighting Klitschko.

I think Fury knows the Klitschkos wont fight him. I wouldnt be surprised if they retired before fighting any of the new crop of heavyweights coming through. They are hoping the new guys will fight it out amongst themselves to keep them occupied while the they can hang on a bit longer. I think thats Fury is going after Haye. He is making his own name rather than being forced to fight a load of different guys while the Klitschkos fight sparring partners. If Chisora can get a shot after Fury beat him then it says it all that Fury hasnt got one. I think the Klitschkos are hoping Haye does their work for them like did with Valuev. Or maybe that Wilder will call out Fury.

Are you just refusing to look at the facts? Fury needs to beat 1 guy, Pulev, and then Fury is the mandatory to fight klitschko and klitschko would be forced to fight him. If Fury wanted to fight the Klitschkos he would beat Pulev and become the mandatory but he instead pulled out of the fight.

You keep saying Klitschko wont fight him but you keep overlooking the fact that klitschko would be FORCED to fight fury if fury beats pulev.

Fury cant be sure of that. If the Klitschko brothers wanted to face him they had plenty of opportunities already. The fact that Chisora got given a match ahead of Fury I think proves the point. What the Klitschkos are doing is a similar thing to what they did when Valuev was around. Avoid him as long as possible and hope somebody else beats him first. Fury want big fights and to make a name for himself. Thats why he is going after Haye. It woul be a huge fight. Why should he fight some other guy in a rubbish fight when the Klitschkos dont want to face him. He could be waiting years. Look how long Haye had to wait. Haye and Fury are doing the right thing by fighting each other in a massive fight and getting on with things themselves. Wilder is doing the same by calling out Fury. They are making their own names without the Klitschkos. Hopefully the winner of Fury and Haye will fight Wilder.

You have adopted your entire position with Fury on the basis that he and his management are actively seeking a fight with either Klitschko and its the Klitschkos who dont want it. And also that Fury would be able to beat either Klitschko. The problem with this is that is doesnt add up. His next fight could have been to entitle the winner to either a shot at Wlad or his vacant belt should he choose not to defend it (something I dont think he has ever done in the best part of a decade). Whatever your reasons for thinking Wlad doesnt want the fight. The fact is he would not have had that choice if Fury was to beat Pulev. Fury opted not to take advantage of this. Why? Because Wlad wouldnt have fought him is not really a proper reason. He would have forced the issue. On top of that, he would have garaunteed himself a more lucrative commercial split of the prizemoney than if Wlad offered him a regular shot.

What it indicates, and where I think your entire position with Fury may be innaccurate, is that its actually Fury (or at least his management) that doesnt want the fight. He is not looking at the Haye fight simply because it represents a greater challenge. Its primarily because its a more lucrative fight than a fight with Pulev - a boxer he was by no means certain to beat. Wlads next fight up is Povetkin, generally considered the highest ranked and most qualified opponent out there for him beyond his own brother. Vitali I beleive is due to fight a mandatory Stiverne, coming off a good win (better than any of Furys), if he carries on. So I dont think operating entirely on the basis that the Klitschkos are avoiding Fury on the evidence so far is a good assumption to be making.

The Klitschkos has a long standing history of facing mandatories and the best opponents the division has to offer. There will be weak opponents in there but only to be expected when you have 2 dominant heavyweights putting away a total of 4/5 opponents each year over the last 5 years. Valuev is perhaps the exception to this. But again you seem to have adopted the position that it was entirely the Klitschkos fault as to why. The fight never happened so theres no way of proving who did what. But aside from Valuevs size I dont think there is any great case as to why the Klitschkos would avoid him. And to provide a counter argument, Wlad has beaten the two fighters that beat Valuev. The Klitschkos have accumlated all the belts. They have a a much stronger record than Valuev. They are better boxers. They have taken on greater opposition and beaten them in more decisive fashion. Valuev on the other hand despite his size, has a grossly padded record littered with laboured performances over terribly average fighters (Ruiz and an ancient Holyfield spring to mind) and losses to the two best fighters he faced. He was carefully controlled by King and Sauerland before deciding on a lucrative retirement fight with Haye where he could avail of a strong bargaining position and the ppv contract Haye brought with him.

Manos, excellent way to sum up all the relevant points and I agree entirely. Who ducked who tends to be a matter of rumour and with Valuev there are enough rumours to suggest that it was King trying to protect his record more than anything.

Im pretty sure Fury even said (about 3 months ago) that he will never fight a klitshcko? He said they were scared of him and also very boring therefore resulting in not giving them the time and space?

Then he vacates purse bids against Pulev again resulting in no fight with a k bro (like manos and champagne stated, if he had won, he would have got mandatory shot).

Now though, winchester believes that he is being ducked by the cream of the crop. A couple of boring brothers who have ruled the division for absolute years.......


Ok Winchester. Your a man sausage.

Some eloquently written words from the man himself.....

Tyson Fury ‏@Tyson_Fury 14h I don't no who u all think your f*cking with I'm the f*cking doggggggg

Tyson Fury ‏@Tyson_Fury 14h I have heard that wladimir klitchko swings both ways!

Tyson Fury ‏@Tyson_Fury 14h After I f*ck up haymaker I'm gonna go get the klitchko sisters! & rid them of my division! @Mrdavidhaye @Klitschko @VitaliKlitschk0

Tyson Fury ‏@Tyson_Fury 14h @Schofe I Tyson fury am going to ko @MRdavidhaye

At what point will the BBBC take issue with Tyson Fury's obvious alcohol dependancy issue. Surely no sober person would write this sort of unmitgated drivel.

Perhaps Steffan can shed some light on this. After all, he's the master of drunken e-ranting.

Wladimir does swing both ways.....Which is why Fury will be seeing stars after two rounds..

seanmichaels wrote:Some eloquently written words from the man himself.....

Tyson Fury ‏@Tyson_Fury 14h I don't no who u all think your f*cking with I'm the f*cking doggggggg

Tyson Fury ‏@Tyson_Fury 14h I have heard that wladimir klitchko swings both ways!

Tyson Fury ‏@Tyson_Fury 14h After I f*ck up haymaker I'm gonna go get the klitchko sisters! & rid them of my division! @Mrdavidhaye @Klitschko @VitaliKlitschk0

Tyson Fury ‏@Tyson_Fury 14h @Schofe I Tyson fury am going to ko @MRdavidhaye

And David Haye’s tweets:

“I read that Fury thinks a fight with me and himself is ‘99% done’ HAHA At best I’d say there’s ‘light discussions’ that are moving slowly” – 1d

“For everyone asking if I’m fighting Fury. I currently have no agreement or contract in place. But a fight later in the year would be fun.” – 1d

No wonder Fat Mick looked so petrified at the iFilm interview with Booth (and Booth looked so smug), he’s scared of Haye and knows his boy Fury is full of poopie.

Tyson Fury:

- Won’t fight his mandatory.
- Won’t fight for #1 contender position.
- Won’t fight the #1 domestic HW.

He’s a joke.

Must confess being grossly immature I did chuckle when he said he was going to have "Price's gay lover Tony Bellew"

But a fight later in the year would be fun.”

Translates as "Brilliant...upwards of £2million quid to smash that mouthy chancer around the ring for a couple of minutes. Wore my trainers to fight Chisora...might wear my slippers for this idiot!"

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Must confess being grossly immature I did chuckle when he said he was going to have "Price's gay lover Tony Bellew"

Nothing grossly immature about that TRUSS. Woudl have thought that it was mandatory for you Oyster boys to like that sort of stuff.

Have to ask Fury one question. He talks about Bellew being Price's "gay lover", can he enlighten us as to what other kind there might be?

manos de piedra wrote:

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

winchester wrote:Why dont the Klitschkos just offer Fury a match if they are keen to fight him? The fact they are trying to get him to fight others first show they are trying to prolong facing him. Theres two of them fighting several times a year. For the last couple of years how many chances did they have to challenge Fury to a match and didnt? Instead they fight sparring partners or guys like Chisora who Fury has already beat. They are probably hoping someone else beats Fury for them like when Valuev was around.

Fury is the challenger if he wants to fight Klitschko he needs to get into a mandatory position, the fact Fury is avoiding fights that would get him to mandatory and instead taking on a fight with Haye shows that Fury is not that bothered in fighting Klitschko.

I think Fury knows the Klitschkos wont fight him. I wouldnt be surprised if they retired before fighting any of the new crop of heavyweights coming through. They are hoping the new guys will fight it out amongst themselves to keep them occupied while the they can hang on a bit longer. I think thats Fury is going after Haye. He is making his own name rather than being forced to fight a load of different guys while the Klitschkos fight sparring partners. If Chisora can get a shot after Fury beat him then it says it all that Fury hasnt got one. I think the Klitschkos are hoping Haye does their work for them like did with Valuev. Or maybe that Wilder will call out Fury.

Are you just refusing to look at the facts? Fury needs to beat 1 guy, Pulev, and then Fury is the mandatory to fight klitschko and klitschko would be forced to fight him. If Fury wanted to fight the Klitschkos he would beat Pulev and become the mandatory but he instead pulled out of the fight.

You keep saying Klitschko wont fight him but you keep overlooking the fact that klitschko would be FORCED to fight fury if fury beats pulev.

Fury cant be sure of that. If the Klitschko brothers wanted to face him they had plenty of opportunities already. The fact that Chisora got given a match ahead of Fury I think proves the point. What the Klitschkos are doing is a similar thing to what they did when Valuev was around. Avoid him as long as possible and hope somebody else beats him first. Fury want big fights and to make a name for himself. Thats why he is going after Haye. It woul be a huge fight. Why should he fight some other guy in a rubbish fight when the Klitschkos dont want to face him. He could be waiting years. Look how long Haye had to wait. Haye and Fury are doing the right thing by fighting each other in a massive fight and getting on with things themselves. Wilder is doing the same by calling out Fury. They are making their own names without the Klitschkos. Hopefully the winner of Fury and Haye will fight Wilder.

You have adopted your entire position with Fury on the basis that he and his management are actively seeking a fight with either Klitschko and its the Klitschkos who dont want it. And also that Fury would be able to beat either Klitschko. The problem with this is that is doesnt add up. His next fight could have been to entitle the winner to either a shot at Wlad or his vacant belt should he choose not to defend it (something I dont think he has ever done in the best part of a decade). Whatever your reasons for thinking Wlad doesnt want the fight. The fact is he would not have had that choice if Fury was to beat Pulev. Fury opted not to take advantage of this. Why? Because Wlad wouldnt have fought him is not really a proper reason. He would have forced the issue. On top of that, he would have garaunteed himself a more lucrative commercial split of the prizemoney than if Wlad offered him a regular shot.

What it indicates, and where I think your entire position with Fury may be innaccurate, is that its actually Fury (or at least his management) that doesnt want the fight. He is not looking at the Haye fight simply because it represents a greater challenge. Its primarily because its a more lucrative fight than a fight with Pulev - a boxer he was by no means certain to beat. Wlads next fight up is Povetkin, generally considered the highest ranked and most qualified opponent out there for him beyond his own brother. Vitali I beleive is due to fight a mandatory Stiverne, coming off a good win (better than any of Furys), if he carries on. So I dont think operating entirely on the basis that the Klitschkos are avoiding Fury on the evidence so far is a good assumption to be making.

The Klitschkos has a long standing history of facing mandatories and the best opponents the division has to offer. There will be weak opponents in there but only to be expected when you have 2 dominant heavyweights putting away a total of 4/5 opponents each year over the last 5 years. Valuev is perhaps the exception to this. But again you seem to have adopted the position that it was entirely the Klitschkos fault as to why. The fight never happened so theres no way of proving who did what. But aside from Valuevs size I dont think there is any great case as to why the Klitschkos would avoid him. And to provide a counter argument, Wlad has beaten the two fighters that beat Valuev. The Klitschkos have accumlated all the belts. They have a a much stronger record than Valuev. They are better boxers. They have taken on greater opposition and beaten them in more decisive fashion. Valuev on the other hand despite his size, has a grossly padded record littered with laboured performances over terribly average fighters (Ruiz and an ancient Holyfield spring to mind) and losses to the two best fighters he faced. He was carefully controlled by King and Sauerland before deciding on a lucrative retirement fight with Haye where he could avail of a strong bargaining position and the ppv contract Haye brought with him.

Of course Fury wants to fight for the title. All of the above could be easily settled if one of the Klitschkos just offered him a match. They have had plenty of opportunities. Fury is one of the biggest names in the division. Says it all that the Klitschkos are trying to make him jump through hoops to get a match. They are hoping he will slip up and lose to someone else.

Fury is on record saying he won't fight K2.

Next...?

Why don't you just leave it Mate......enough now......

Since when has earning the mandatory status been considered jumping through hoops? Fury was one more win away from a guaranteed shot at Wlad. He chose not to take it, nobody forced him to do this, it was his decision. Whether that fits with your own view of the brothers is largely irrelevant, it is a fact.

The brothers constantly get slated for the level of their opposition but now you are slating them for not calling out a guy of less than 20 fights who was nearly pancaked by an ordinary former cruiserweight last time out.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Fury is on record saying he won't fight K2.

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On the contrary, he has said he wants to knock them out. But if they are going to play games and not offer him the match then he is right to go out and make his own name. He said he doesnt need the Klitschko brothers and I think he is spot on. They are both old and hanging on. Fury and Wilder will make their own names and become the big names in the division.

Winchester, you narrow minded clueless little numpty, this entire thread is about Fury on the iFilm interview. Watch it. Quite clear Fury says he's not interested.

And ducking #1 contender status is further proof of that.

Rowley wrote:Since when has earning the mandatory status been considered jumping through hoops? Fury was one more win away from a guaranteed shot at Wlad. He chose not to take it, nobody forced him to do this, it was his decision. Whether that fits with your own view of the brothers is largely irrelevant, it is a fact.

The brothers constantly get slated for the level of their opposition but now you are slating them for not calling out a guy of less than 20 fights who was nearly pancaked by an ordinary former cruiserweight last time out.

Why havent they offered him a match? Why did they offer Chisora a match even though he lost to Fury? Why did they never fight Valuev? Theres alot to suggest they dont dont want to face Fury or Wilder. They dont take chances, in or out of the ring. They are happy to let Haye, Price, Fury and Wilder fight other opponents and I think they are hoping they will keep those guys busy while they hang on a bit longer.

winchester wrote:

Rowley wrote:Since when has earning the mandatory status been considered jumping through hoops? Fury was one more win away from a guaranteed shot at Wlad. He chose not to take it, nobody forced him to do this, it was his decision. Whether that fits with your own view of the brothers is largely irrelevant, it is a fact.

The brothers constantly get slated for the level of their opposition but now you are slating them for not calling out a guy of less than 20 fights who was nearly pancaked by an ordinary former cruiserweight last time out.

Why havent they offered him a match? Why did they offer Chisora a match even though he lost to Fury? Why did they never fight Valuev? Theres alot to suggest they dont dont want to face Fury or Wilder. They dont take chances, in or out of the ring. They are happy to let Haye, Price, Fury and Wilder fight other opponents and I think they are hoping they will keep those guys busy while they hang on a bit longer.

There is nothing to suggest they don't want to fight Wilder and Fury. Fury just pulled out of purse bids to become a mandatory, had he become mandatory he would have got his title shot. Wilder hasn't fought anybody to earn a shot at the titles yet. Your constant wumming is getting boring.

You are still yet to answer the question why, if Fury was so desperate to fight them he withdrew from the purse bids for Pulev, bearing in mind a win in that guaranteed him a fight against Wlad as mandatory challenger, an obligation Wlad has never failed to fulfill.

Anyone else remember Pauline on here? She had a moronic obsession with Fury also and has just been tweeting me after I said Haye would flatten him. She says she's banned from v2, any way of checking Winchester isn't a Pauline alias?

hampo171 wrote:

winchester wrote:

Rowley wrote:Since when has earning the mandatory status been considered jumping through hoops? Fury was one more win away from a guaranteed shot at Wlad. He chose not to take it, nobody forced him to do this, it was his decision. Whether that fits with your own view of the brothers is largely irrelevant, it is a fact.

The brothers constantly get slated for the level of their opposition but now you are slating them for not calling out a guy of less than 20 fights who was nearly pancaked by an ordinary former cruiserweight last time out.

Why havent they offered him a match? Why did they offer Chisora a match even though he lost to Fury? Why did they never fight Valuev? Theres alot to suggest they dont dont want to face Fury or Wilder. They dont take chances, in or out of the ring. They are happy to let Haye, Price, Fury and Wilder fight other opponents and I think they are hoping they will keep those guys busy while they hang on a bit longer.

There is nothing to suggest they don't want to fight Wilder and Fury. Fury just pulled out of purse bids to become a mandatory, had he become mandatory he would have got his title shot. Wilder hasn't fought anybody to earn a shot at the titles yet. Your constant wumming is getting boring.

Theres plenty to suggest they dont want to fight them. For starters Fury and Wilder and big, physical, powerful heavyweights that are evn bigger than the Klitschko brothers. They are both unbeaten, dangerous and younger. I think the fact they havent offered them a match but are happy to offer sparring partners or Chisora a match speaks volumes.

And your answer to why Fury DUCKED mandatory challenger position???

winchester wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

winchester wrote:

Rowley wrote:Since when has earning the mandatory status been considered jumping through hoops? Fury was one more win away from a guaranteed shot at Wlad. He chose not to take it, nobody forced him to do this, it was his decision. Whether that fits with your own view of the brothers is largely irrelevant, it is a fact.

The brothers constantly get slated for the level of their opposition but now you are slating them for not calling out a guy of less than 20 fights who was nearly pancaked by an ordinary former cruiserweight last time out.

Why havent they offered him a match? Why did they offer Chisora a match even though he lost to Fury? Why did they never fight Valuev? Theres alot to suggest they dont dont want to face Fury or Wilder. They dont take chances, in or out of the ring. They are happy to let Haye, Price, Fury and Wilder fight other opponents and I think they are hoping they will keep those guys busy while they hang on a bit longer.

There is nothing to suggest they don't want to fight Wilder and Fury. Fury just pulled out of purse bids to become a mandatory, had he become mandatory he would have got his title shot. Wilder hasn't fought anybody to earn a shot at the titles yet. Your constant wumming is getting boring.

Theres plenty to suggest they dont want to fight them. For starters Fury and Wilder and big, physical, powerful heavyweights that are evn bigger than the Klitschko brothers. They are both unbeaten, dangerous and younger. I think the fact they havent offered them a match but are happy to offer sparring partners or Chisora a match speaks volumes.

Can you find quotes where the K Bros have said they don't want to fight either of those? Maybe if Hennessy wanted to put Fury in and was happy to risk him then he'd have a chance. As far as I'm aware the K Bros haven't ever said no to fighting Fury. Wilder the same, he hasn't fought anybody.

Rowley wrote:You are still yet to answer the question why, if Fury was so desperate to fight them he withdrew from the purse bids for Pulev, bearing in mind a win in that guaranteed him a fight against Wlad as mandatory challenger, an obligation Wlad has never failed to fulfill.

I did answer it. He has no way of knowing he going to get the fight if he does that. Why should he hang around and be forced to start fighting whoever else. The fact the Klitschkos are making him do this clearly says alot about their eagerness to face him. I think they are hoping he slip up first. If they can offer Chisora a matchafter Fury beat him how can you say they couldnt have offered Fury one instead of making him fight x, y and z?

Offer them a match   Why doesnt he ask em for a match - they make big money from knocking over brits - especially imbeciles like Fury. Wilder is Wlads sparring partner so he's got about as much right to be there as Wach or Pianeta.

hampo171 wrote:

winchester wrote:

hampo171 wrote:

winchester wrote:

Rowley wrote:Since when has earning the mandatory status been considered jumping through hoops? Fury was one more win away from a guaranteed shot at Wlad. He chose not to take it, nobody forced him to do this, it was his decision. Whether that fits with your own view of the brothers is largely irrelevant, it is a fact.

The brothers constantly get slated for the level of their opposition but now you are slating them for not calling out a guy of less than 20 fights who was nearly pancaked by an ordinary former cruiserweight last time out.

Why havent they offered him a match? Why did they offer Chisora a match even though he lost to Fury? Why did they never fight Valuev? Theres alot to suggest they dont dont want to face Fury or Wilder. They dont take chances, in or out of the ring. They are happy to let Haye, Price, Fury and Wilder fight other opponents and I think they are hoping they will keep those guys busy while they hang on a bit longer.

There is nothing to suggest they don't want to fight Wilder and Fury. Fury just pulled out of purse bids to become a mandatory, had he become mandatory he would have got his title shot. Wilder hasn't fought anybody to earn a shot at the titles yet. Your constant wumming is getting boring.

Theres plenty to suggest they dont want to fight them. For starters Fury and Wilder and big, physical, powerful heavyweights that are evn bigger than the Klitschko brothers. They are both unbeaten, dangerous and younger. I think the fact they havent offered them a match but are happy to offer sparring partners or Chisora a match speaks volumes.

Can you find quotes where the K Bros have said they don't want to fight either of those? Maybe if Hennessy wanted to put Fury in and was happy to risk him then he'd have a chance. As far as I'm aware the K Bros haven't ever said no to fighting Fury. Wilder the same, he hasn't fought anybody.

Actions speak louder than wrds. Why have the Klitschko brothers not offered him a match? Surely you cant be saying a sparring partner or a guy Fury already beat are better matches?

Why don't you just sling it..........

"Actions speak louder than words" - in other words no. But you're a tool so need to make up rubbish to fuel your wummery.

Fury has no way of knowing he would get the match. However if he becomes mandatory Wlad has two choices, face him or be stripped of the belt. Now given during his reign he has never once refused to face a mandatory challenger the evidence is more weighed to suggest he would get the match than your rather fanciful speculation that Wlad night not face him, thus going in the polar opposite of what he has done throughout his career.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why don't you just sling it..........

Surely Gordy got banned for being this much of a Tinkywinky?

Rowley wrote:Fury has no way of knowing he would get the match. However if he becomes mandatory Wlad has two choices, face him or be stripped of the belt. Now given during his reign he has never once refused to face a mandatory challenger the evidence is more weighed to suggest he would get the match than your rather fanciful speculation that Wlad night not face him, thus going in the polar opposite of what he has done throughout his career.

I fear sense and intelligence may be well and truly wasted on our winny.......

Chisora got the fight because of two things, 1) he impressed against Helenius and won over some fans and 2) he was backed by Warren who was willing to throw him in there and give him a shot.

Fury has done neither. Fury had the opportunity to earn himself a shot by fighting Pulev for the mandatory position but instead turned down the fight. There is a huge statement that Fury has no intention of fighting either brother that you seem to ignore.