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When can you play players our of position?

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Post by Alex_Germany Sat 15 Jun 2013, 8:00 pm

This could be in the general section - the question applies to your local team as well - but I think the examples will mostly be at internationsl level.

Hopefully Stuart Lancaster has learnt that just because you have a great player - e.g. Wood or Brown, it doesn't mean you can play them out of position. Wales taught him that lesson - both Cuthbery tries being on Brown's "wing".

Other examples:
- Was it Monye a few years back at fullback. Superb winger - couldn't play FB.
- Jonny Wilkinson played Inside Centre for the Lions in 2005. It didn't really work.
- Italy played a flanker, Bergamasco, at scrum half. It was a disaster.

Yet Saracens shuffle Hodgeson, Farrell and Barritt around as if 10,12 and 13 are interchangeable. I don't think they are. Though O'Driscoll can play 12 and 13.

Then you've got players with experience in more than 1 position. I'd rather Foden play scrumhalf than wing.

How does it work it your level? (I asked a long time ago to switch from back row to wing - some thought I was mad, but it turned out to be a good move).

I think the left/right wing difference is overplayed. Also the open side / blind side is more a matter of having 2 distinct playing styles. At scrum time does it make much difference?

Any examples at international level where a player has performed really well out of position? And has any quality player had a nightmare playing out of position worse than Bergamasco at scrumhalf?

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Post by flyhalffactory Sat 15 Jun 2013, 8:32 pm

James Hook has played almost every position for Wales.......... its when he came on as Water Boy his career started to sink
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Post by disneychilly Sat 15 Jun 2013, 10:09 pm

Never play someone out of position at 13 for NZ in a World Cup. Think three tournaments in a row established that.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 15 Jun 2013, 10:14 pm

If a player shows the skills required in another position, or if they have a skill set that might actually be better utilised in another position, they should be given a chance.. For example, I reckon Simon Zebo would make a cracking fullback and he has looked very comfortable there for Ireland. Fantastic positioning, huge boot, extremely solid under the high ball and so dangerous with a bit of space. I hope he gets more chances at 15 in the future.

An example of a player who should not have been moved would be Tom Wood over the 6 nations. In my opinion Ben Morgan was highly missed and an 8 should be the first port of call when you need a player to create a bit of momentum with go forward ball. Tom Wood is not that sort of player.

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Post by Metal Tiger Sat 15 Jun 2013, 10:46 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:If a player shows the skills required in another position, or if they have a skill set that might actually be better utilised in another position, they should be given a chance..  For example, I reckon Simon Zebo would make a cracking fullback and he has looked very comfortable there for Ireland.  Fantastic positioning, huge boot, extremely solid under the high ball and so dangerous with a bit of space.  I hope he gets more chances at 15 in the future.

An example of a player who should not have been moved would be Tom Wood over the 6 nations.  In my opinion Ben Morgan was highly missed and an 8 should be the first port of call when you need a player to create a bit of momentum with go forward ball.  Tom Wood is not that sort of player.

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As good as Wood is he is not a No.8 and it showed against Wales. Ben Morgan was a massive loss for us in the last games of the 6Ns and our performances went downhill. I don't think that was coincidence. Apologies for wandering slightly off topic.
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Post by Exiledinborders Sat 15 Jun 2013, 11:13 pm

If you are Stuart Lancaster the answer is in a grand slam decider!

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Post by MMaaxx Sat 15 Jun 2013, 11:21 pm

In the RWC at 8th man if you are SA

95: Andrews moved from lock to 8th man for the final
07: Danie plays tournament at 8th after Spies is forced to pull out

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Post by nganboy Sun 16 Jun 2013, 10:32 am

Richard Kahui was moved to wing for NZ a few times and has done fine out of it.
Corey Jane was moved to wing for NZ and has starred in that position.
Jonah Lomu was....
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Post by Coleman Sun 16 Jun 2013, 11:00 am

Am i wrong in thinking Mike Phillips played center in the 3rd test vs SA in the last Lions series?

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