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Post by t1000advancedprototype Tue 18 Jun 2013, 10:33 am

2005

834 Englishmen on tour
Shane Williams and Gavin Henson callously omitted from first test.

2013

Welsh win 2nd championship in a row
Loads of Welsh picked
Welsh boys justify their selection playing outstanding
Double slam double lion world player of the year Shane Williams gets selected
Chris Ashton stays home

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Post by aucklandlaurie Tue 18 Jun 2013, 10:37 am

I have absolutely no clue what this article is about.

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Post by tigertattie Tue 18 Jun 2013, 10:45 am

I think it is about Gavin Henson's tan?
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Post by bluestonevedder Tue 18 Jun 2013, 10:47 am

No no, it is definitely about the communal can of spray tan in the locker room

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 18 Jun 2013, 10:48 am

t1000advancedprototype wrote:2005

834 Englishmen on tour
Shane Williams and Gavin Henson callously omitted from first test.

2013

Welsh win 2nd championship in a row
Loads of Welsh picked
Welsh boys justify their selection playing outstanding
Double slam double lion world player of the year Shane Williams gets selected
Chris Ashton stays home

So what did Wales do wrong to earn such bad karma in the RWC? Wink
And the '90s?



(ps, Williams and Henson are probably glad not to have played the 1st test in '05 - they'd have been made look ordinary by the ABs)
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Post by fa0019 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:05 am

Gatland is doing the same as SCW.. he too is picking players on past experience rather than form... i.e. Adam Jones, AW Jones, Phillips and Roberts.. and had he not been coach chaps like Evans would not have been picked.

Shane Williams didn't exactly cover himself in glory in 05 or 09 (the dead rubber last test doesn't count as SA played their B team... and his first try was all down to Flutey.. similar to Horan's SF try in 91... Campo gets the glory for a similar pass... Horan just finished it off... its flutey's imagination and skill which gave him that try).

Loads of Welsh boys playing outstanding???

Gethin - did nothing to warrant selection prior. Been a sub all season.
Hibbard - couldn't hit a barn door on tour.
A. Jones - nothing spectacular and in fact Cole has had a better tour.
AW Jones - 1 good game, otherwise a poor tour. Gray has been better.
Evans - Lucky to be on tour. Should have gone to someone else.
Lydiate - poor, still not match fit.
Warburton - poor to average
Faletau - good form
Tipuric - good form
Phillips - average... will be selected due to being Gatlands' pet and on prior experience. A mistake.
Roberts - uninspiring.
Davies - one good game, otherwise very poor.
North - good form
Cuthbert - very poor form
Halfpenny  - good form.

So chaps who have been actually playing well.... Halfpenny, North, Tipuric, Faletau.


4 out of 15. Interesting.

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Post by t1000advancedprototype Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:11 am

Cuthbert very poor? He's bagged loads of tries.

Welsh jealousy will get you nowhere.

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Post by fa0019 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:12 am

let in more though.

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Post by fa0019 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:13 am

more like english jealousy over Cuthbert.

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Post by Breadvan Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:15 am

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I have absolutely no clue what this article is about.

Along with the other 862...Headscratch
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Post by bluestonevedder Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:25 am

This is just so pointless

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Post by rainbow-warrior Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:30 am

fa0019 wrote:Gatland is doing the same as SCW.. he too is picking players on past experience rather than form... i.e. Adam Jones, AW Jones, Phillips and Roberts.. and had he not been coach chaps like Evans would not have been picked.

Shane Williams didn't exactly cover himself in glory in 05 or 09 (the dead rubber last test doesn't count as SA played their B team... and his first try was all down to Flutey.. similar to Horan's SF try in 91... Campo gets the glory for a similar pass... Horan just finished it off... its flutey's imagination and skill which gave him that try).

Loads of Welsh boys playing outstanding???

Gethin - did nothing to warrant selection prior. Been a sub all season.
Hibbard - couldn't hit a barn door on tour.
A. Jones - nothing spectacular and in fact Cole has had a better tour.
AW Jones - 1 good game, otherwise a poor tour. Gray has been better.
Evans - Lucky to be on tour. Should have gone to someone else.
Lydiate - poor, still not match fit.
Warburton - poor to average
Faletau - good form
Tipuric - good form
Phillips - average... will be selected due to being Gatlands' pet and on prior experience. A mistake.
Roberts - uninspiring.
Davies - one good game, otherwise very poor.
North - good form
Cuthbert - very poor form
Halfpenny  - good form.

So chaps who have been actually playing well.... Halfpenny, North, Tipuric, Faletau.


4 out of 15. Interesting.

Yet they were all good enough to beat England 30 - 3  Interesting
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Post by fa0019 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:33 am

But you're not playing England rainbow on Saturday, we're playing a side that has beaten your boys 8 times in a row.

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Post by Breadvan Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:34 am

30-3? Haven't seen that mentioned on here for.....about 40minutes! picard
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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:36 am

rainbow-warrior wrote:
fa0019 wrote:Gatland is doing the same as SCW.. he too is picking players on past experience rather than form... i.e. Adam Jones, AW Jones, Phillips and Roberts.. and had he not been coach chaps like Evans would not have been picked.

Shane Williams didn't exactly cover himself in glory in 05 or 09 (the dead rubber last test doesn't count as SA played their B team... and his first try was all down to Flutey.. similar to Horan's SF try in 91... Campo gets the glory for a similar pass... Horan just finished it off... its flutey's imagination and skill which gave him that try).

Loads of Welsh boys playing outstanding???

Gethin - did nothing to warrant selection prior. Been a sub all season.
Hibbard - couldn't hit a barn door on tour.
A. Jones - nothing spectacular and in fact Cole has had a better tour.
AW Jones - 1 good game, otherwise a poor tour. Gray has been better.
Evans - Lucky to be on tour. Should have gone to someone else.
Lydiate - poor, still not match fit.
Warburton - poor to average
Faletau - good form
Tipuric - good form
Phillips - average... will be selected due to being Gatlands' pet and on prior experience. A mistake.
Roberts - uninspiring.
Davies - one good game, otherwise very poor.
North - good form
Cuthbert - very poor form
Halfpenny  - good form.

So chaps who have been actually playing well.... Halfpenny, North, Tipuric, Faletau.


4 out of 15. Interesting.

Yet they were all good enough to beat England 30 - 3  Interesting

True.
And roughly equally relevantly, none of them have been good enough to beat NZ or Australia (or Samoa or Argentina Wink ) in a while
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:37 am

So sad

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:40 am

In any case,since I really can't be bothered watching another episode of Welsh vs English arguments over who's got the smaller willy I'm going to lock the thread
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