Nadal Fed quarter (?)

by Guest Fri 21 Jun 2013, 2:14 pm

First topic message reminder :

Im hoping this wont get too heated, and i ask for respect soo here we go

The quarters are scheduling a Rafa Fed re re re match on grass. Discuss...
Who will win and how? Whos got the advantage? Will they both even make it?Are people gonna over hype it due to 2008?
Its been quite a while since weve had a real chance of these 2 meeting in a GS soo id like to hear your views, but be nice

For me I think theyll both make it, maybe Nadal a little harder than Fed, and I reckon Nadl will do it in 4 or 5, Fed has a court advantage, but has never really combatted that single handed disadvantage.

by Haddie-nuff Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:23 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:Has it ever come to light when he was carrying the injury from? I mean I know it has been an underlying problem for some time but at what point did it become unmanagable? Pre-Wimbledon and post-French Open I am guessing. If that were the case would a withdrawal from Wimbledon and rest/treatment have prevented him having to take 8 months out?

He had been carrying it for sometime... the real crunch came after the FO against Novak. The pain got worse but I dont think even Rafa knew the extent of the damage he had done until after Wimbledon. There is absolutely no way he would have pulled out of the Olympics otherwise Craig . it meant too much to him The 8mths lay off was in preference to surgery.. however on his return it was said if it flared again then the knife it would have to be.

by Haddie-nuff Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:24 am

falzy21 wrote:Im hoping this wont get too heated, and i ask for respect soo here we go

The quarters are scheduling a Rafa Fed re re re match on grass. Discuss...
Who will win and how? Whos got the advantage? Will they both even make it?Are people gonna over hype it due to 2008?
Its been quite a while since weve had a real chance of these 2 meeting in a GS soo id like to hear your views, but be nice

For me I think theyll both make it, maybe Nadal a little harder than Fed, and I reckon Nadl will do it in 4 or 5, Fed has a court advantage, but has never really combatted that single handed disadvantage.

Thanks for bringing it back on topic falzy

by CaledonianCraig Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:28 am

Haddie-nuff wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Has it ever come to light when he was carrying the injury from? I mean I know it has been an underlying problem for some time but at what point did it become unmanagable? Pre-Wimbledon and post-French Open I am guessing. If that were the case would a withdrawal from Wimbledon and rest/treatment have prevented him having to take 8 months out?

He had been carrying it for sometime... the real crunch came after the FO against Novak. The pain got worse but I dont think even Rafa knew the extent of the damage he had done until after Wimbledon. There is absolutely no way he would have pulled out of the Olympics otherwise Craig . it meant too much to him The 8mths lay off was in preference to surgery.. however on his return it was said if it flared again then the knife it would have to be.

In hindsight then do you think he could have played on if he had given Wimbledon a miss or, as I presume, was it just a matter of time before the injury ruled him out.

by lydian Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:33 am

Yvonne, fair comments and I'm not having a dig at all and sundry. Lets not blow this up into something massive but it's something we see on here all the time. The inference about being able to play on if he beat Rosol is that Nadal wasn't that badly injured...and therefore if not badly injured at Wimb then why did he take 8 months out. It doesn't take Einstein to work out where it all leads to. I would just rather people said they flat refuse to believe Nadal was injured than meekly snipe away over the months without actually coming out with it.

In terms of the win itself - which is a different discussion point to above - yes it was a monumental moment for Nadal and Rosol. It was a surreal performance by Rosol who played with no nerves at all at the end. Rosol has gone on to become nearly a top 30 player since so it wasn't quite in the league of Doohan beating Becker or Bastl beating Sampras. And of course, but for nerves there would have been an even bigger upset had Falla served out the match and knocked Federer out in 2010 (was just 2 points away before choking). Sometimes, these losses are possible due to the bizarreness of the situation....overwhelming favourite, underdog with absolutely nothing to lose and knows they have to swing the racquet to do damage, then it all goes in and they play with no fear, no expectation. All the big players have these shocking losses (or near losses) once or twice in their career. But are we to dwell on them ad infinitum...or use them as an "inference stick" to keep jabbing at Nadal?

Why not see how Rafa and Rosol get on this year? Lets see how Lukas performs with a little more expectation/fame on his shoulders.

by Haddie-nuff Sun 23 Jun 2013, 10:40 am

Craig I would be a fool to deny that Rosol played the match of his life.. sadly for Rafa at a time when he was vulnerable.. I really am of the belief that Rafa knew he had a problem but Rosol exacerbated that problem with his style of play. I still often wonder what would have happened had the roof not gone on.. not Rafa´s favourite environment it has to be said. But I will quote Rafa and Toni "there is no way I would have won that fifth set". You can read into that what you want... Rosol was too good, I was in too much pain, my knee was shot. (I cant swear to this but my memory tells me Rafa went down on that knee going for a net shot from Rosol somewhere in that match I dont know) But I wont give any reasons or excuses other than to say well done Rosol. May you milk it dry, live off it for years to come.. You are a few points up the Rankings and that is your reward.
In answer to your question I think it was a matter of time.. he entered Wimbledon because its a tournament he loves.. I dont think he would have come anywhere near winning it Rosol or no Rosol not if he knew he was going to miss the Olympics. If there had been a choice he had to make he would have chosen the Olympics of that Im certain. But it is truly sad for him, and for all his fans to realise that he has won two Wimbledons one against the Maestro that has been rated as the match of the century. We were all blessed to see that fantastic match that will go down in Wimbledon history and yet this match against Rosol overshadows all of that. I feel sad for Rafa he deserves better

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:00 pm

In terms of the match itself, given that it was one of Wimbledon's great upsets and that we are on the eve of Wimbledon one year on, it's inevitable that people are thinking about it again.

I don't doubt Rafa's injury, but I do think he would have played on to the final if he had got there. In that sense, I don't think it was something that was forcing him to stop playing at that point in time, or affecting his play to any great extent. He's saying that he went into Wimbledon carrying an injury that he knew would cause him to lose - I take that with a pinch of salt.
Having taken the decision to rest it, I can understand that it required 6 months rest, but I don't think that 6 month period would ever have coincided with the clay court season i.e. it was a controllable injury, in the same way as many players carry such injuries through various tournaments and then rest at a time that it's most convenient for them.

by Born Slippy Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:09 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:In terms of the match itself, given that it was one of Wimbledon's great upsets and that we are on the eve of Wimbledon one year on, it's inevitable that people are thinking about it again.

I don't doubt Rafa's injury, but I do think he would have played on to the final if he had got there. In that sense, I don't think it was something that was forcing him to stop playing at that point in time, or affecting his play to any great extent. He's saying that he went into Wimbledon carrying an injury that he knew would cause him to lose - I take that with a pinch of salt.
Having taken the decision to rest it, I can understand that it required 6 months rest, but I don't think that 6 month period would ever have coincided with the clay court season i.e. it was a controllable injury, in the same way as many players carry such injuries through various tournaments and then rest at a time that it's most convenient for them.

Exactly my view.

by Haddie-nuff Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:10 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:In terms of the match itself, given that it was one of Wimbledon's great upsets and that we are on the eve of Wimbledon one year on, it's inevitable that people are thinking about it again.

I don't doubt Rafa's injury, but I do think he would have played on to the final if he had got there. In that sense, I don't think it was something that was forcing him to stop playing at that point in time, or affecting his play to any great extent. He's saying that he went into Wimbledon carrying an injury that he knew would cause him to lose - I take that with a pinch of salt.
Having taken the decision to rest it, I can understand that it required 6 months rest, but I don't think that 6 month period would ever have coincided with the clay court season i.e. it was a controllable injury, in the same way as many players carry such injuries through various tournaments and then rest at a time that it's most convenient for them.

Well if you choose to simplify it to the extent that he went on to miss the Olympics and the APT Tour then I suppose its one view.. I dont think having to choose between resting or surgery comes under "having taken the decision to rest it" he had little option as I understand it. There are such things as coincidence but in any event the "trial of the knee" was deliberately done to coincide with clay court because it was the kinder surface.. he never expected it to go so well and I dont think anyone else did... or, on the other hand, maybe you were the exception Smile

by Haddie-nuff Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:17 pm

Maybe you haven´t seen this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2U7MIP7fg0

(Oh just to remind you he was not allowed to pick up a racket for over a month) But believe what you choose. censored

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:23 pm

I'm sure he had little option but to rest it at some point, but that point wasn't at the end of the Rosol match any more than at the end of the WTF 2011, IMHO - because I think if he had won that match, he would have taken the option to continue playing the rest of Wimbledon.
I'm like everyone else - I didn't expect the comeback to go so well.

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:26 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:Maybe you haven´t seen this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2U7MIP7fg0

(Oh just to remind you he was not allowed to pick up a racket for over a month) But believe what you choose.

We all believe what we choose Haddie

by Haddie-nuff Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:29 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:I'm sure he had little option but to rest it at some point, but that point wasn't at the end of the Rosol match any more than at the end of the WTF 2011, IMHO - because I think if he had won that match, he would have taken the option to continue playing the rest of Wimbledon.
I'm like everyone else - I didn't expect the comeback to go so well.

This is totally irrelevant Julius Rafa has already said and I repeat "there is no way I would have won that fifth set"
so its all conjecture on your part Julius. He never won it and would never have won it so it really is a pointless argument

by **JuliusHMarx** Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:34 pm

I never said it wasn't conjecture - I even said it was 'an idle thought'.

by Jahu Sun 23 Jun 2013, 12:41 pm

Who cares for Nadal 2012 Wimbledon? He was beaten like an amateur from an amateur.

What is this, history lesson from 2012, again? Leave it out.

Welcome to 2013 btw.

by **laverfan** Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:02 pm

Falzy's appeal seems to have fallen on deaf ears, I see.

To make it level, does anyone talk about Federer v Ancic or Federer v Horna. Probably not.

Federer was ranked #9 and #5 respectively.

Nadal has played some close matches at W to be on the brink like Petzschner, Haase, Kendrick, Soderling etc, as has Federer v Falla, Benneteau, etc.

Just shows their human frailties.

Let the trenches begone. Ok!

by carrieg4 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:07 pm

I think Fed in 3 or Nadal in 4 or 5. Mainly because, in order to win, I think Fed had to come out all guns blazing and dominate the match. If the score is split then it strongly favours Nadal in my opinion.

Personally, I am hoping for a 5 set thriller of Mahut-Isner proportions Wink

by Haddie-nuff Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:08 pm

carrieg4 wrote:I think Fed in 3 or Nadal in 4 or 5. Mainly because, in order to win, I think Fed had to come out all guns blazing and dominate the match. If the score is split then it strongly favours Nadal in my opinion.

Personally, I am hoping for a 5 set thriller of Mahut-Isner proportions

by Guest Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:15 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:In terms of the match itself, given that it was one of Wimbledon's great upsets and that we are on the eve of Wimbledon one year on, it's inevitable that people are thinking about it again.

I don't doubt Rafa's injury, but I do think he would have played on to the final if he had got there. In that sense, I don't think it was something that was forcing him to stop playing at that point in time, or affecting his play to any great extent. He's saying that he went into Wimbledon carrying an injury that he knew would cause him to lose - I take that with a pinch of salt.
Having taken the decision to rest it, I can understand that it required 6 months rest, but I don't think that 6 month period would ever have coincided with the clay court season i.e. it was a controllable injury, in the same way as many players carry such injuries through various tournaments and then rest at a time that it's most convenient for them.

This.

by Guest Sun 23 Jun 2013, 2:22 pm

Ahem...
everyone I don't want to sound like policing here... an i do appreciate that soo many have taken the time to post and vote on the topic (thats never happened to me before), but I have to ask to keep it on topic, i.e avoid Nadal Rosol talk. Its too much of a pressure point, remember please keep it nice.Thank you angel

by YvonneT Sun 23 Jun 2013, 3:26 pm

If the match does happen, I'm not too fussed who wins, but I don't want to see a Federer mauling at the hands of Nadal, so I would definitely like the match to be played under the roof, just to give the old man a helping hand.

Unless Nadal does has a physical impairment after his long clay season, I still can't see anything other than Nadal winning, probably in straight sets.

by carrieg4 Sun 23 Jun 2013, 3:31 pm

YvonneT wrote:If the match does happen, I'm not too fussed who wins, but I don't want to see a Federer mauling at the hands of Nadal, so I would definitely like the match to be played under the roof, just to give the old man a helping hand.

Unless Nadal does has a physical impairment after his long clay season, I still can't see anything other than Nadal winning, probably in straight sets.

I can see your point Yvonne but I don't think Federer will let it be straight sets. This is Federers strongest tournament so I think he will come out swinging and at least take a set. I guess we will soon find out (unless one of them doesn't reach that stage of course).

by **laverfan** Mon 24 Jun 2013, 6:11 pm

Gutted for Nadal at W 2013 losing to Darcis. Crying or Very sad

by Guest Mon 24 Jun 2013, 6:13 pm

Yep thats my dream second week in tatters...

by Josiah Maiestas Mon 24 Jun 2013, 6:14 pm

falzy21 wrote:Yep thats my dream second week in tatters...

Dream because Nadal's game would send you to sleep?

by Guest Mon 24 Jun 2013, 6:17 pm

Its a good dream... better than my usual simon vs Granollers ones

by ChequeredJersey Mon 24 Jun 2013, 6:22 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:
falzy21 wrote:Yep thats my dream second week in tatters...
Dream because Nadal's game would send you to sleep?

To be fair he was playing shorter points today. Admittedly it was usually due to a Darcis winner...

by CaledonianCraig Mon 24 Jun 2013, 6:24 pm

I suggest that this thread now be locked.

by ChequeredJersey Mon 24 Jun 2013, 6:25 pm

Probably sensible

by Josiah Maiestas Mon 24 Jun 2013, 7:00 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:I suggest that this thread now be locked.

Why?

Can they not take the banter?

by ChequeredJersey Mon 24 Jun 2013, 7:02 pm

Probably because it is a poll that has now been found to be meaningless as the conditions required for the speculation in this thread cannot come to pass

by Henman Bill Mon 24 Jun 2013, 7:03 pm

good point those who said wait and see if they get there

I thought rafa would make it to the quarter myself,

by Guest Mon 24 Jun 2013, 7:04 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Probably because it is a poll that has now been found to be meaningless as the conditions required for the speculation in this thread cannot come to pass

True.

But it was a daft poll in the first place, assuming far too much.

by Josiah Maiestas Mon 24 Jun 2013, 7:05 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Probably because it is a poll that has now been found to be meaningless as the conditions required for the speculation in this thread cannot come to pass

ok I didn't see opening post np mate.

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by Guest Mon 24 Jun 2013, 7:08 pm

Ive asked the mods already to do soo. I take offence at being told off for speculating in a topic though, omnipotent or not.

by **JuliusHMarx** Mon 24 Jun 2013, 10:00 pm

Locked as requested

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