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Australia v Lions: Alternative stats

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:59 pm

This is a really good site that Biltong pointed me towards and goes into far more detail on matches than ESPN which frankly I've always thought is useless for stats.Unfortunately it only covers SH games in real depth but it has some interesting stats form the Lions match today.Compare and contrast with ESPN.

http://www.rugbystats.com.au/matches/rugby/match22230.html

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:10 pm

Seems more believable
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:11 pm

Though surely Genia gets an assist for Folau's first?
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Post by asoreleftshoulder Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:14 pm

It gets updated over the week,I'd say they'll give him that but maybe they only count a pass as an assist.That's the problem with stats.

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Post by RubyGuby Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:42 pm

They also have the North and Cuthbert try yardages wrong thumbsup

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Post by nathan Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:47 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Though surely Genia gets an assist for Folau's first?
Wasn't it a kick that rebounded of Halfpenny into the path of folau?

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:56 pm

nathan wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Though surely Genia gets an assist for Folau's first?
Wasn't it a kick that rebounded of Halfpenny into the path of folau?

Looked like a pretty perfect grubber to me, http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/rugby/israel-folau-hits-all-of-the-high-notes-in-sensational-wallabies-debut-against-british-and-irish-lions/story-fnh5q2eu-1226668122440
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Post by Guest Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:17 pm

Interesting - Alex Cuthbert on joint top turnovers!

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:18 pm

For ESPN Turnovers is turnovers lost, do we know which one it is here?
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Post by Guest Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:20 pm

Well, posters have been quoting Heaslip as having 2 which he does here so I'm guessing it's turnovers won. Guessing though.

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Post by Guest Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:22 pm

Then again Aus have 11 turnovers here. Did they win that many? Could be conceded as you say CJ

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:22 pm

RubyGuby wrote:They also have the North and Cuthbert try yardages wrong thumbsup

Where do you see the stat s for those specific runs?

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:23 pm

Not sure that anyone won many ruck turnovers tbh!
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Post by Mickado Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:25 pm

Is that turnovers won or conceeded (as it is on ESPN) though?

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:25 pm

Griff wrote:Interesting - Alex Cuthbert on joint top turnovers!

No Cuthbert has one turnover and it was won in general play whereas Heaslip has 2 turnovers,one won in general play and one in a ruck/maul.Croft alos won one turnover in general play.

edit: my mistake I was only looking at the 2nd half stats.


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Post by RubyGuby Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:25 pm

[th]British-Irish Lions[/th]
2
Israel Folau 13m
Israel Folau 35m		TRIES
Try Scorers		2
George North 26m
Alex Cuthbert 49m

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Post by Guest Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:29 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Griff wrote:Interesting - Alex Cuthbert on joint top turnovers!

No Cuthbert has one turnover and it was won in general play whereas Heaslip has 2 turnovers,one won in general play and one in a ruck/maul.Croft alos won one turnover in general play.

edit: my mistake I was only looking at the 2nd half stats.

I'm just quoting the stats from the link at the top of this thread (the alternative stats we're all talking about). Says Heaslip and Cuthbert 2 each, but as CJ says we're not sure if this is turnovers won or lost.

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Post by asoreleftshoulder Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:31 pm

RubyGuby wrote:[th]British-Irish Lions[/th]
2
Israel Folau 13m
Israel Folau 35m		TRIES
Try Scorers		2
George North 26m
Alex Cuthbert 49m

Ah yeah see it now,they seem have them the wrong way round.It will probably be fixed up when they revise everything during the week.

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Post by RubyGuby Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:31 pm

Adam Jones had 5 turnovers - but that was Friday night thumbsup

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Post by Looseheaded Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:49 pm

Australia only had possession in Lions 22 for 14 seconds?

that's unreal

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Post by stlowe Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:44 pm

I just posted this on the main match thread regarding the stats on ESPN & the official Lions website and thought it might be relevant here as well.

stlowe wrote:Both those sources have their stats supplied by Opta, which I believe is the world's biggest sports data company, providing most of the big broadcasters, media, teams and bookmakers.  I remember seing a video on how they do it and for big games they have analysts watching live to provide stats on the go.  The videos are later reviewed and with the benefit of pause, rewind & zoom, the on the fly stats corrected if need be.  My experience is that with most games being played at the weekend they tend to have any corrections to the original stats out by Monday lunch.

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